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MATCH THREAD (+POST p23): Charlton Athl v Cray Valley PM: FA Cup 🏆1st Rd: Sun 5 Nov 2023 | KO 17:30
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The Northwich Victoria game on bumpy cold hard pitch was poor. This was terrible and shows the weakness of the squad. This must be one of the flakiest Charlton defences, I have ever seen.ÂKirk was terrible and clearly does not want to be at the club. Kirk and the club needs to come to some accommodation over his contract. There may be nothing left of Kirk's career if he stays until 2025.The game is live on national TV and a good peformance might have convinced lapsed Charlton supporters to return to the Valley with a competent performance. Making 11 changes was a really poor call. Atherton must know how poor many of these players are and the shakey morale at the club.Only positive is the extra TV money that Cray Valley Papers get if the game is televised and they deserve that. Charlton will benefit from that but that's nothing to be proud of.4
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Callumcafc said:
Some of them were fine (5-6/10) and no one played well. To say every player was terrible is IMO reactionary bollocks.SELR_addicks said:Because every single player today was terrible and didn't stand out against non-league opposition.Â
Appleton comes out and says he only expected more from 3-4 of them, maybe a couple more. So what about the rest?Â
Could’ve put Erling Haaland in that team and he wouldn’t have been able to carry half a dozen wasters.
Who do you think gave a 6/10 performance? Other than Chem1 -
Am totally with you on this Leuth, Appleton also eluded to players who did not come up to scratch, that's why you play them in these games, interestingly he mentioned 'three or four' who thought he could rely on and they let him down. No prizes for guessing Kirk was one of those, but who were the others? I don't think one was McGrandles, as Appleton thanked him when he was substituted.ÂLeuth said:"A new low for Charlton", "lowest moment in the club's history"
lol get a grip, it's just the fucking cup, in a month none of you will remember this game. we won at Wigan in the last game that really mattered, christ. and sure we were terrible today; we'll win the replay, we've learnt never to let certain individuals on the pitch for us again, all in all it's a momentary stinker. the amount of negative hyperbole I'm seeing is ridiculous! i'm much sadder when we lose a league game, this is just quite funny above all2 -
I think I heard someone say Kirk was on 7k a week and McGrandles over 5k a week because there was championship interest for both of them?ÂBedsaddick said:
I'd be amazed if they was on those wages.ÂBraziliance said:Charlie Kirk and Conor McGrandles must be on around 12-15k a week combined or thereabouts.
Our recruitment has been woeful. So many chancers at this club being paid a wage. We sign mostly injury prone players, woeful loans or spend money on players who pretend to be football players. It's beyond parody.
I still think the side who played Wigan walk away winners tonight but how disappointing is it to have that many other players that are on our books, earning thousands, to be that terrible.Â
Someone will know but they're still two of the higher paid players at the club along with Fraser and you could argue none of them are justifying that wageÂ1 -
I'll remember it.Leuth said:"A new low for Charlton", "lowest moment in the club's history"
lol get a grip, it's just the fucking cup, in a month none of you will remember this game. we won at Wigan in the last game that really mattered, christ. and sure we were terrible today; we'll win the replay, we've learnt never to let certain individuals on the pitch for us again, all in all it's a momentary stinker. the amount of negative hyperbole I'm seeing is ridiculous! i'm much sadder when we lose a league game, this is just quite funny above all
I've got bed bug bites all down my legs.
From plastic seats!
Bloody Charlton.1 -
Bring on the replay!2
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Disgrace, for me, doesn't begin to cover it. We played with no urgency; the team selected showed no respect for a side that were playing the biggest game of their careers (by and large, I imagine); the manager went into hiding; and in general... my gosh, the complacency. The complacency is what has angered me the most and that is from EVERYONE involved in the club.
Eleven changes, for me, is the worst of it. I don't blame a young Abankwah for not looking ready. Ness had a shocker - how did that guy look so good against United? Terell Thomas looked like an average Isthmian League player. On reflection, I think Kirk is beneath contempt to the point where I am seriously concerned for his wellbeing.
Well done to CVPM, who hustled; were able to deploy a low block with effectiveness that we had no interest in trying to breakdown. For our part, we tried to walk EVERYTHING in, in another manifestation of complacency.
I am ashamed right now to be quite honest.18 -
A deeply unconvincing performance by our second string, particularly given the early fillip of Fraser’s goal, following good play from Anderson. The game started to drift as the half wore on, although Tedic drew a decent save from their goalie and one of our players headed wide from a corner when it looked easier to score.
Cray Valley came out with some zest and Lisbie’s lovely low cross was turned into his own net by the unfortunate Ness. That woke us up for a brief period, during which we created two gilt-edged chances - unfortunately, both fell to Kirk, who cemented his reputation as one of our worst ever signings by squandering them. After that little spell, we repeatedly gave away cheap possession and cheap free kicks and persisted in our futile attempts to walk the ball into the net.
In contrast, Cray Valley grew in confidence and, far from flagging as the game wore on as most non-professionals naturally do, they looked increasingly dangerous. They played exceptionally well and fully earned the replay and a shot at a trip to the Medway Riviera - well done to them and their supporters, who created a decent atmosphere.
As for Charlton, there were periods in that game where someone watching with no prior knowledge would struggle to identify who was the 8th tier side. Not good.
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Walker, Edun, Thomas, McGrandles, Fraser, Tedic were all fine or had their moments of decent play from what I saw.Croydon said:Callumcafc said:
Some of them were fine (5-6/10) and no one played well. To say every player was terrible is IMO reactionary bollocks.SELR_addicks said:Because every single player today was terrible and didn't stand out against non-league opposition.Â
Appleton comes out and says he only expected more from 3-4 of them, maybe a couple more. So what about the rest?Â
Could’ve put Erling Haaland in that team and he wouldn’t have been able to carry half a dozen wasters.
Who do you think gave a 6/10 performance? Other than Chem
I didn’t think Chem was that good either. With the amount of touches he had, he should’ve done more with it.2 -
All about promotion though, innit!2
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aliwibble said:
But this is a great chance for him to put himself in the shop window and prove he deserves a decent contract and he's not come anywhere close to that.Bailey said:I think Kirk wants to be here as much we want him to be here. It's a sad situation for both player and club, he knows he will not get that wage anywhere else and unless he takes a huge cut he will still be here.Â
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17.00 this evening. MA team talk.
” Ok shut up and listen up. Look I know you lot can walk all over Cray Valley but remember this is probably one of the biggest games in their history so we should give them something to remember.
We’re going to give them the draw so they can take it back to their place and make a bit of dosh. Yeh, yeh. I know. It goes against everything you believe in but let’s be charitable.
We don’t want a 0-0 cause that’s fucking boring for the telly.
So we go 1 up and wait for them to equalise. Kirk and Ness I want you to pretend to be really shit tonight. In fact if it looks like they won’t score, Ness you can score for them.
Second half I’ll bring on the real team to make it look like we’re serious, but Alfie you do your usual, you know run around a lot but this time try not to score OK. Right, I’m trusting in you all to embarrass us all in front of the cameras but we know what we’re really doing.”15 -
Jonniesta said:seth plum said:At least May and Leaburn are cup tied so maybe that is a positive.
Appleton is a major negative after today in my eyes.
I have not seen the media but I suspect Appleton will blame it on the players whilst over heaping praise on Cray Valley Paper Mills.
 What excuse did he come up with?
Anything other than...
"In my arrogance, and with disrespect to our opponents and our fans, and the TV audience, I made eleven changes. Clearly Cray Valley Paper Mills were laughing at such a stupid decision because it was always going to weaken us and give them a decent chance against an unsettled and unfamiliar team.
I realise now what was clear to others it was the wrong thing to do, I am ashamed, and ashamed that I have humiliated Charlton Athletic today. I can't change what has occurred, but maybe it would help if I paid for all the Charlton fans today to attend the replay wherever it is held, and for that game I intend to field the strongest team possible. Another alternative is to tend my resignation, and if I am obliged to leave immediately with no pay off I would accept that decision."
...would in my eyes make him deluded.
How come? It wasn't a 'must win'. In your usual definition he's therefore done fine.Â
I made several comments about the game pre match, none of them said the game is a 'must win'.
For example this is something I wrote this morning:
I think the Cray Valley approach will be to play as a team and give everything they can, be robust and competitive. They will try to maintain the structure they agree, hope that any player who has some ability has a special game, they will try to utilise their height advantage, the battering ram centre forward Freddie is a big bloke, as is their balding centre half and his playing partner so they will have practiced set pieces.
I think they will be very competitive going for the second ball, I think we should not give them those opportunities, if we keep the ball and move it around swiftly we might bamboozle them.
Cray Valley are not complete mugs by any means, and if we don’t show due respect we could come a cropper.
And I posted this at 5.05:
That team had better deliver. Cray will be a solid unit whatever their limitations as players, we might look like a team of strangers.
I did not say that it was a 'must win', that aspiration is related to the need for league points that lead to automatic promotion.2 -
But generally from a No 10 position, running into the box, whereas today he was out wide. May barely got into the box.Callumcafc said:
Those goals he’s scored… you realise most of them have come from playing in a deeper position?golfaddick said:We have the leagues top goal scorer & we leave him on the bench.Â
Then when we bring him on we play him on the wing.
Yet another clueless manager.Â
If Appleton wanted someone to play out wide, it would have made more sense to bring CBT or TC on, someone whose game is running at defenders, something they hate. Win a penalty, get out 2-1 winners.4 -
I fucking hope to god they ain’tÂBedsaddick said:
I'd be amazed if they was on those wages.ÂBraziliance said:Charlie Kirk and Conor McGrandles must be on around 12-15k a week combined or thereabouts.
Our recruitment has been woeful. So many chancers at this club being paid a wage. We sign mostly injury prone players, woeful loans or spend money on players who pretend to be football players. It's beyond parody.
I still think the side who played Wigan walk away winners tonight but how disappointing is it to have that many other players that are on our books, earning thousands, to be that terrible.Â0 -
I hope that’s a joke.  If not, message me.  Seriously. ÂBraziliance said:The only positive from tonight is that I don't have any mates so no one can text me to make fun of meÂAnd if it IS a joke, fine work.Â0 -
So what?seth plum said:Jonniesta said:seth plum said:At least May and Leaburn are cup tied so maybe that is a positive.
Appleton is a major negative after today in my eyes.
I have not seen the media but I suspect Appleton will blame it on the players whilst over heaping praise on Cray Valley Paper Mills.
 What excuse did he come up with?
Anything other than...
"In my arrogance, and with disrespect to our opponents and our fans, and the TV audience, I made eleven changes. Clearly Cray Valley Paper Mills were laughing at such a stupid decision because it was always going to weaken us and give them a decent chance against an unsettled and unfamiliar team.
I realise now what was clear to others it was the wrong thing to do, I am ashamed, and ashamed that I have humiliated Charlton Athletic today. I can't change what has occurred, but maybe it would help if I paid for all the Charlton fans today to attend the replay wherever it is held, and for that game I intend to field the strongest team possible. Another alternative is to tend my resignation, and if I am obliged to leave immediately with no pay off I would accept that decision."
...would in my eyes make him deluded.
How come? It wasn't a 'must win'. In your usual definition he's therefore done fine.Â
I made several comments about the game pre match, none of them said the game is a 'must win'.
For example this is something I wrote this morning:
I think the Cray Valley approach will be to play as a team and give everything they can, be robust and competitive. They will try to maintain the structure they agree, hope that any player who has some ability has a special game, they will try to utilise their height advantage, the battering ram centre forward Freddie is a big bloke, as is their balding centre half and his playing partner so they will have practiced set pieces.
I think they will be very competitive going for the second ball, I think we should not give them those opportunities, if we keep the ball and move it around swiftly we might bamboozle them.
Cray Valley are not complete mugs by any means, and if we don’t show due respect we could come a cropper.
And I posted this at 5.05:
That team had better deliver. Cray will be a solid unit whatever their limitations as players, we might look like a team of strangers.
I did not say that it was a 'must win', that aspiration is related to the need for league points that lead to automatic promotion.0 -
My money is on the tide not turning.blackpool72 said:If we win at Pompey all is forgiven.Â
Lose and Appleton is a cnutÂ0 -
I wrote in response to the comment made by Jonniesta.MrWalker said:
So what?seth plum said:Jonniesta said:seth plum said:At least May and Leaburn are cup tied so maybe that is a positive.
Appleton is a major negative after today in my eyes.
I have not seen the media but I suspect Appleton will blame it on the players whilst over heaping praise on Cray Valley Paper Mills.
 What excuse did he come up with?
Anything other than...
"In my arrogance, and with disrespect to our opponents and our fans, and the TV audience, I made eleven changes. Clearly Cray Valley Paper Mills were laughing at such a stupid decision because it was always going to weaken us and give them a decent chance against an unsettled and unfamiliar team.
I realise now what was clear to others it was the wrong thing to do, I am ashamed, and ashamed that I have humiliated Charlton Athletic today. I can't change what has occurred, but maybe it would help if I paid for all the Charlton fans today to attend the replay wherever it is held, and for that game I intend to field the strongest team possible. Another alternative is to tend my resignation, and if I am obliged to leave immediately with no pay off I would accept that decision."
...would in my eyes make him deluded.
How come? It wasn't a 'must win'. In your usual definition he's therefore done fine.Â
I made several comments about the game pre match, none of them said the game is a 'must win'.
For example this is something I wrote this morning:
I think the Cray Valley approach will be to play as a team and give everything they can, be robust and competitive. They will try to maintain the structure they agree, hope that any player who has some ability has a special game, they will try to utilise their height advantage, the battering ram centre forward Freddie is a big bloke, as is their balding centre half and his playing partner so they will have practiced set pieces.
I think they will be very competitive going for the second ball, I think we should not give them those opportunities, if we keep the ball and move it around swiftly we might bamboozle them.
Cray Valley are not complete mugs by any means, and if we don’t show due respect we could come a cropper.
And I posted this at 5.05:
That team had better deliver. Cray will be a solid unit whatever their limitations as players, we might look like a team of strangers.
I did not say that it was a 'must win', that aspiration is related to the need for league points that lead to automatic promotion.
That is the answer to your question.
Anything else?0 -
Seem to be more than a few ready to jump on Appleton at any opportunity. Not sure what you want him to do here? He picked a side obviously with one eye on the upcoming league fixtures which are clearly much more important than this one game. Imagine he selected May or Leaburn and they got injured by some non league chugger.
Those selected were hardly inexperienced youngsters, most are senior and have made enough league appearances to beat a team this far below them. Those starting 11 players are to blame for this result and they all need to hold their hands up. More than a couple are playing well below their ability and it's not just this one game.Â8 - Sponsored links:
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Everyone comparing this to Northwich...there's a much better comparison - Dagenham & Redbridge. I was at that one. It was fucking shocking, many of you will recall we needed an 87th minute deflected equaliser. Our manager? Curbs. It can happenÂ3
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We’re in our worst footballing period ever , whilst our neighbours are having their best , chuck in that performance with our strong squad players and some amazing academy players against a keeper fatter than me and well what a load of shitÂ
we’ll lose at Pompey and get through against the pepper mill mob in the replay so a mouthwatering tie at gills awaits and a fifth season in league one
congratulations to the shitstory makers who represent Charlton in this period of crapÂ6 -
Walker why did you start/continue some sort of beef on here by replying to the man, initially by saying "you've wasted minutes of your life typing this out", with zero constructive comment? Do everyone else on the thread who wishes to actually engage in post match views or debate about who was or wasn't any good and take it elsewhere or just save your minutes typing too.MrWalker said:
So what?seth plum said:Jonniesta said:seth plum said:At least May and Leaburn are cup tied so maybe that is a positive.
Appleton is a major negative after today in my eyes.
I have not seen the media but I suspect Appleton will blame it on the players whilst over heaping praise on Cray Valley Paper Mills.
 What excuse did he come up with?
Anything other than...
"In my arrogance, and with disrespect to our opponents and our fans, and the TV audience, I made eleven changes. Clearly Cray Valley Paper Mills were laughing at such a stupid decision because it was always going to weaken us and give them a decent chance against an unsettled and unfamiliar team.
I realise now what was clear to others it was the wrong thing to do, I am ashamed, and ashamed that I have humiliated Charlton Athletic today. I can't change what has occurred, but maybe it would help if I paid for all the Charlton fans today to attend the replay wherever it is held, and for that game I intend to field the strongest team possible. Another alternative is to tend my resignation, and if I am obliged to leave immediately with no pay off I would accept that decision."
...would in my eyes make him deluded.
How come? It wasn't a 'must win'. In your usual definition he's therefore done fine.Â
I made several comments about the game pre match, none of them said the game is a 'must win'.
For example this is something I wrote this morning:
I think the Cray Valley approach will be to play as a team and give everything they can, be robust and competitive. They will try to maintain the structure they agree, hope that any player who has some ability has a special game, they will try to utilise their height advantage, the battering ram centre forward Freddie is a big bloke, as is their balding centre half and his playing partner so they will have practiced set pieces.
I think they will be very competitive going for the second ball, I think we should not give them those opportunities, if we keep the ball and move it around swiftly we might bamboozle them.
Cray Valley are not complete mugs by any means, and if we don’t show due respect we could come a cropper.
And I posted this at 5.05:
That team had better deliver. Cray will be a solid unit whatever their limitations as players, we might look like a team of strangers.
I did not say that it was a 'must win', that aspiration is related to the need for league points that lead to automatic promotion.
So many jump at the chance to get personal on here time and time again and it pisses me - and probably loads of others - off nearly as much as this result has3 -
Walker? Seriously?ÂCallumcafc said:
Walker, Edun, Thomas, McGrandles, Fraser, Tedic were all fine or had their moments of decent play from what I saw.Croydon said:Callumcafc said:
Some of them were fine (5-6/10) and no one played well. To say every player was terrible is IMO reactionary bollocks.SELR_addicks said:Because every single player today was terrible and didn't stand out against non-league opposition.Â
Appleton comes out and says he only expected more from 3-4 of them, maybe a couple more. So what about the rest?Â
Could’ve put Erling Haaland in that team and he wouldn’t have been able to carry half a dozen wasters.
Who do you think gave a 6/10 performance? Other than Chem
I didn’t think Chem was that good either. With the amount of touches he had, he should’ve done more with it.
He only had a few things to do and he made a meal of every single thing - that punch out instead of catching it? Almost spilled at least two other simple catches. I guess he did a half decent goal kick at one point maybe?1 -
Spot on.PaddyP17 said:
Walker why did you start/continue some sort of beef on here by replying to the man, initially by saying "you've wasted minutes of your life typing this out", with zero constructive comment? Do everyone else on the thread who wishes to actually engage in post match views or debate about who was or wasn't any good and take it elsewhere or just save your minutes typing too.MrWalker said:
So what?seth plum said:Jonniesta said:seth plum said:At least May and Leaburn are cup tied so maybe that is a positive.
Appleton is a major negative after today in my eyes.
I have not seen the media but I suspect Appleton will blame it on the players whilst over heaping praise on Cray Valley Paper Mills.
 What excuse did he come up with?
Anything other than...
"In my arrogance, and with disrespect to our opponents and our fans, and the TV audience, I made eleven changes. Clearly Cray Valley Paper Mills were laughing at such a stupid decision because it was always going to weaken us and give them a decent chance against an unsettled and unfamiliar team.
I realise now what was clear to others it was the wrong thing to do, I am ashamed, and ashamed that I have humiliated Charlton Athletic today. I can't change what has occurred, but maybe it would help if I paid for all the Charlton fans today to attend the replay wherever it is held, and for that game I intend to field the strongest team possible. Another alternative is to tend my resignation, and if I am obliged to leave immediately with no pay off I would accept that decision."
...would in my eyes make him deluded.
How come? It wasn't a 'must win'. In your usual definition he's therefore done fine.Â
I made several comments about the game pre match, none of them said the game is a 'must win'.
For example this is something I wrote this morning:
I think the Cray Valley approach will be to play as a team and give everything they can, be robust and competitive. They will try to maintain the structure they agree, hope that any player who has some ability has a special game, they will try to utilise their height advantage, the battering ram centre forward Freddie is a big bloke, as is their balding centre half and his playing partner so they will have practiced set pieces.
I think they will be very competitive going for the second ball, I think we should not give them those opportunities, if we keep the ball and move it around swiftly we might bamboozle them.
Cray Valley are not complete mugs by any means, and if we don’t show due respect we could come a cropper.
And I posted this at 5.05:
That team had better deliver. Cray will be a solid unit whatever their limitations as players, we might look like a team of strangers.
I did not say that it was a 'must win', that aspiration is related to the need for league points that lead to automatic promotion.
So many jump at the chance to get personal on here time and time again and it pisses me - and probably loads of others - off nearly as much as this result has
It's tiresome.
It would be great if it could stop.1 -
Mulling it over more, there was no urgency even in the 89th minute. We passed it around and about - Tennai Watson proving yet again that passing forward is anathema to him - and lolloped around with no semblance of movement. This attitude will see us flounder in the league. Momentum from any win midweek will have been checked because the five starters who came on weren't able to pick up where they left off.
Again, a disasterclass.2 -
If only we were a premier league team having an off day, instead of a piss average pile of wank who occasionally have a Chuks Aneke good dayLeuth said:Everyone comparing this to Northwich...there's a much better comparison - Dagenham & Redbridge. I was at that one. It was fucking shocking, many of you will recall we needed an 87th minute deflected equaliser. Our manager? Curbs. It can happenÂ3 -
Charlton Athletic, 1947 FA Cup winners, have just drawn at home to a team with an average attendance of 120.
Fucking embarrassment and we deserve every bit of ridicule we get. A new low.6 -
They were also in the Conference (National League) and not midtable in the Isthmian League South East Division.ÂSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:
If only we were a premier league team having an off day, instead of a piss average pile of wank who occasionally have a Chuks Aneke good dayLeuth said:Everyone comparing this to Northwich...there's a much better comparison - Dagenham & Redbridge. I was at that one. It was fucking shocking, many of you will recall we needed an 87th minute deflected equaliser. Our manager? Curbs. It can happenÂ2 -
He had one save to make from a free kick. Their player hit it deliberately to swerve and make it really hard to catch. Walker smartly punched it away from harm.Manic_mania said:
Walker? Seriously?ÂCallumcafc said:
Walker, Edun, Thomas, McGrandles, Fraser, Tedic were all fine or had their moments of decent play from what I saw.Croydon said:Callumcafc said:
Some of them were fine (5-6/10) and no one played well. To say every player was terrible is IMO reactionary bollocks.SELR_addicks said:Because every single player today was terrible and didn't stand out against non-league opposition.Â
Appleton comes out and says he only expected more from 3-4 of them, maybe a couple more. So what about the rest?Â
Could’ve put Erling Haaland in that team and he wouldn’t have been able to carry half a dozen wasters.
Who do you think gave a 6/10 performance? Other than Chem
I didn’t think Chem was that good either. With the amount of touches he had, he should’ve done more with it.
He only had a few things to do and he made a meal of every single thing - that punch out instead of catching it? Almost spilled at least two other simple catches. I guess he did a half decent goal kick at one point maybe?
He tries to catch that and it bobbles in the net, we’ve seen it before.0
