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MATCH THREAD (+POST p23): Charlton Athl v Cray Valley PM: FA Cup š1st Rd: Sun 5 Nov 2023 | KO 17:30
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In Wellington NZ, I couldn't be much further away from the action (c.19,000kms) without leaving the planet...oh to be an astronaut,
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Itās what happens when you completely disrespect your opponents by making eleven changes. Our first eleven aināt all that yet alone the next eleven. Puts Appleton in a difficult position now. Eating humble pie and playing our best team. Tbh Iām not even sure theyāll be up to it.3
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... and so it begins.Ā42 -
I never said it was ok, it's just how the match went. We've ended up with a pretty embarrassing result and despite how poor we are it could have been avoided if Kirk had just done the very least you'd expect from a player in his position.Chunes said:
This is fine but does it not miss the point that against a team in the Eighth Tier, it shouldn't come down to such fine margins? Talking about the game turning on one chance like it was a League One matchup...Garrymanilow said:Obviously very fresh so there's a lot of anger but the game turned on that Kirk miss. We went 1-0 up and then decided that was probably enough. Cray Valley started the second half brightly and instead of seeing that period of pressure out like a normal team Lucas Ness decided to ram the ball into his own goal for absolutely no reason. Once that happened we actually played our best football of the game for a little bit and looked dangerous. If Kirk had put that simple chance away we would have seen that out without too many more hiccups. They had one shot on target from a free kick and it was saved. Other than that they didn't have anything and we just needed to put the chance away and move on. Non-league teams will have moments like that and professionals should deal with it but Kirk is horrendous and from there Cray were able to slow the game down, stay down after every challenge and eat the time up.Ā
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Portsmouth were clapped off today after losing to Chesterfield. They saw that their team were beaten on the day. Our lot were rightly boo'd. If any of the team that played the first hour think that they earned their wages today, I'll show you a bullshitter.
This team couldn't keep a clean sheet against a box of crayons even if they stayed in the box!!3 -
I donāt understand the disrespect angle. Every player in that Charlton squad today has already had a career that any player in the Cray Valley team would dream of.ShootersHillGuru said:Itās what happens when you completely disrespect your opponents by making eleven changes. Our first eleven aināt all that yet alone the next eleven. Puts Appleton in a difficult position now. Eating humble pie and playing our best team. Tbh Iām not even sure theyāll be up to it.
Was it disrespectful of Man U to completely change their team against us in the Carabao Cup last season?4 -
Ā£2m!MarcusH26 said:I know Man City sign loads of these types of players that never make any impact on their first team but what on earth did they see in Tedic?Ā
The Serbian team they signed him from probably couldn't believe their luck.2 -
Yes, based on earning a living at a league one club, but having seen the run of form someone like Fraser is on, McGrandles coming back and being thrown straight in, Kirk recalled, it all adds up to taking it too lightly imo. Āse9addick said:
That team should have been more than enough to beat an eighth tier team comfortably. Some absolutely woeful performances tonight.Ācabbles said:He shouldnāt have made Fraser captain. Ā The bloke is an absolute meringue of a man, let alone the type of player you would ask to lead others on the field. Ā Appleton gave it all the bollocks before the game about a good cup run, blah blah blah, yet picked that team. Ā Very lucky to be going to a replay, and hopefully, because weāve been a whisker away from the lowest result in the clubās history, the dodging of the bullet will be the kick up the arse. Ā0 -
I know we keep coming back to this but who the fuck at Charlton scouted Kirk and who sanctioned paying Ā£500k for the waste of a shirt.Ā6
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Kirk had the best two chances! Not defending the other players. However bad we were, Kirk was even worse!!SELR_addicks said:
If we only had two chances to win a game against a pub team, it's a poor performance all round.ĀTodds_right_hook said:
I'm not disagreeing with you but Kirk had two chances to win us the game. If our players were very shit today, Kirk was very very shitSELR_addicks said:Pinning the blame on Kirk gives excuses to the other 15 players that were on the pitch.Ā
Yes he was shit but so were all of them.
Even if we had one player playing decently, he should've been running rings around that non-league lot.Ā
Fact is every single one of them should be ashamed of the performance.Ā0 - Sponsored links:
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Thought Campbell was about the only one who looked, well not good, but not terrible.Pavoren007 said:That team need to stand in front of a mirror and take a long hard look at themselves. Tedic and Campbell should be sent back to their parent clubs if they can be in January and neither Kirk nor we are a good fit for one anotherā¦0 -
But we're very aware at how bad Kirk is by now, if anything the blame should be on Appleton for playing him at this point.ĀTodds_right_hook said:
Kirk had the best two chances! Not defending the other players. However bad we were, Kirk was even worse!!SELR_addicks said:
If we only had two chances to win a game against a pub team, it's a poor performance all round.ĀTodds_right_hook said:
I'm not disagreeing with you but Kirk had two chances to win us the game. If our players were very shit today, Kirk was very very shitSELR_addicks said:Pinning the blame on Kirk gives excuses to the other 15 players that were on the pitch.Ā
Yes he was shit but so were all of them.
Even if we had one player playing decently, he should've been running rings around that non-league lot.Ā
Fact is every single one of them should be ashamed of the performance.Ā0 -
Well we've had better days, but didn't lose, so live to fight another day and a chanceĀ to put it right, probably on TV.2
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When I said I picked the same team as MA, it was not my choice, unfortunately the one I thought he would pick. If you regular watchers have to put up with Kirk more often than me, I feel sorry for you. Pleasantly surprised how good Abankwah was and thought C Campbell played well. The rest, least said the better0
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North Lower Neil said:
Ā£2m!MarcusH26 said:I know Man City sign loads of these types of players that never make any impact on their first team but what on earth did they see in Tedic?Ā
The Serbian team they signed him from probably couldn't believe their luck.
Just really don't see it with him at all. Looks laboured and as much as I think Daniel Kanu needs to be playing week in week out for his development, I'd rather have DK than Tedic on the bench.Ā5 -
No I didn't mean he's not good enough . I meant he should know now that our squad is not good enough . Therefore he needs to do something about it in January.Ā Sorry about any confusion caused.valleynick66 said:
Did you mean: Andy Scott is not good enough?redbuttle said:
Agree. But half that starting eleven couldn't give a fuckkillerandflash said:That starting 11 should have been good enough to easily win.
BUT the attitude had to be right. I thought we started the second half slowly, whereas they really gave it a go. Once they got the goal, they were further lifted, while we got worse when we tried to chase the gameĀ
Ā Message for Andy Scott. Our squad is not good enough.
His influence on the squad building I thought.Ā0 -
Embarrassing.
Kirk must never be picked again.
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We knew Kirk was bad for League One.SELR_addicks said:
But we're very aware at how bad Kirk is by now, if anything the blame should be on Appleton for playing him at this point.ĀTodds_right_hook said:
Kirk had the best two chances! Not defending the other players. However bad we were, Kirk was even worse!!SELR_addicks said:
If we only had two chances to win a game against a pub team, it's a poor performance all round.ĀTodds_right_hook said:
I'm not disagreeing with you but Kirk had two chances to win us the game. If our players were very shit today, Kirk was very very shitSELR_addicks said:Pinning the blame on Kirk gives excuses to the other 15 players that were on the pitch.Ā
Yes he was shit but so were all of them.
Even if we had one player playing decently, he should've been running rings around that non-league lot.Ā
Fact is every single one of them should be ashamed of the performance.Ā
We didnāt know Kirk was bad for Isthmian League South East Division.13 -
How many bangs on the pipe Eddie?Oh Eddie Youds... said:Perfect result. Double TV money.
Decent chance of Gillingham away being on TV tooā¦..could be a very lucrative cup run.2 -
Wish I could "like" a post twice.kentred2 said:
Need minutes. Rest players. Avoid injuries.ĀCallumcafc said:
Bowyer never had a squad of 22 full time professionals that all need minutes.Bedsaddick said:
Today won't get many fans on his side. I hate it when our managers disrespect this competition. I don't think even Bowyer changed all 11 when we played in the F.a cup and he hated the competition.ĀIAgree said:
Might as well start the Apples out thread thenĀFumbluff said:Had apples picked anyone other than Kirk weād likely have gone in 3-0 up and would have gone on to overwhelm Cray.ĀThatās down to apples, no one else, everybody knew the performance we were all going to see from Shirk. A classic.Ā
The team he picked shouldāve won 3-0, 4-0, 5-0. They didnāt. Iām sure Appleton is letting them know that.All rubbish.ĀItās about your best team winning games and taking that feeling and play to the next game.ĀNo one in that starting 11 today can help Charlton get in the top six.Ā6 - Sponsored links:
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And even then I bet their passes would go to the wrong man!ĀNornIrishAddick said:There are a few from today's performance who were so poor that the only way I could stomach them being paid to "perform" at The Valley again would be if they were behind the counter in the club shop/food franchises...0 -
Well thatās not going to help CM āflipā the club for a quick profit or cash in on player trading is it. š4
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Individuals on paper are one thing. But when a starting 11 has enough changes, things tend to go awry. United struggled to dominate us last season for the same reason.Ā Newcastle managed it against Man Utd the other day, but that was notable for being so rare. Newcastle played with identity and understanding as to what the coach demands. We were the polar opposite of that for much of the game. Once 5+ players are switched the performance is far more likely to become drab and listless, as we saw today. We were almost hanging on at the end when we should have been hammering their goal - the heart wasn't there.ĀCallumcafc said:
I donāt understand the disrespect angle. Every player in that Charlton squad today has already had a career that any player in the Cray Valley team would dream of.ShootersHillGuru said:Itās what happens when you completely disrespect your opponents by making eleven changes. Our first eleven aināt all that yet alone the next eleven. Puts Appleton in a difficult position now. Eating humble pie and playing our best team. Tbh Iām not even sure theyāll be up to it.
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This sums it up.Bedsaddick said:
That team had never played a game together and boy did it show. You have to put these games to bed THEN bring on the fringe players. Now we've got another midweek game which we don't need and i doubt he's going to play that team again unless he want's the fans to lose faith.ĀCallumcafc said:
Bowyer never had a squad of 22 full time professionals that all need minutes.Bedsaddick said:
Today won't get many fans on his side. I hate it when our managers disrespect this competition. I don't think even Bowyer changed all 11 when we played in the F.a cup and he hated the competition.ĀIAgree said:
Might as well start the Apples out thread thenĀFumbluff said:Had apples picked anyone other than Kirk weād likely have gone in 3-0 up and would have gone on to overwhelm Cray.ĀThatās down to apples, no one else, everybody knew the performance we were all going to see from Shirk. A classic.Ā
The team he picked shouldāve won 3-0, 4-0, 5-0. They didnāt. Iām sure Appleton is letting them know that.
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Was saying to a non Charlton mate before the game just how bad Kirk is. In a way I'm happy to be proved right with this performance but it's just so depressing. I've gone way past the "there's a player in there somewhere". He's beyond hope at this point, looks at best a national league player.ShootersHillGuru said:I know we keep coming back to this but who the fuck at Charlton scouted Kirk and who sanctioned paying Ā£500k for the waste of a shirt.Ā2 -
We all know how bad Kirk is and would never pick him, how come Appleton doesn't know and picks him?1
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I reckon you could have the shits for 2 weeks solid, and still find a positive from the experience !!!Āswordfish said:Well we've had better days, but didn't lose, so live to fight another day and a chanceĀ to put it right, probably on TV.6 -
How the fuck did that keeper get a contract by the way?Ā
He only had about 10 touches all night and 9 of them were terrible. Heaven fucking help us if he has to start a league game at any point.11 -
Absolutely dreadful performance from firstly the manager for picking that starting 11Ā
& Secondly the team for not being able to beat Cray
If they can't even do that what are these players doing in our squad?
OK we will win the replay but that's not the point it's just another game we could do withoutĀ
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CampbellĀ ???Pavoren007 said:That team need to stand in front of a mirror and take a long hard look at themselves. Tedic and Campbell should be sent back to their parent clubs if they can be in January and neither Kirk nor we are a good fit for one anotherā¦
He was probably our best player.18
