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Their squad was very different to ours too, lots of giants. I think he is also too similar to Holden in being a good bloke/man management type of manager so probably not what we needSwisdom said:
With the largest budget in the league and he only just made it.jams said:Why would moore not be suitable? He's got a track record of promotion... Last season
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Why do people claim this squad is better than last year?
Rak saki has gone, Stockley, Morgan, Clare, Innis, Woolacott etc
It is arguable that May is not better than Rak Saki
I could go on but until this squad actually proves they are better I am not so sure.
We may have more upside with the teenagers' ceiling in terms of ability but this group currently make mistake after mistake, can't defend set pieces, can't utilise attacking set pieces.
Yes you can coach players but if the corner or free kick taker can't beat the first man - is that coaching or talent?!
I think we have much higher opinion of our own players than others do! Or at least Darren Ferguson to begin with!4 -
Nathan Jones would be my first choice but I think that might be an unrealistic one. Would be able to pick up on what Holden was trying to do with a slightly more direct style and 3-5-2 which he switched to at Luton. I would say looking at more realistic options then Richardson or Bowyer probably make the most sense.Would also think a coach from the premier league that’s worked with young players could be a good option, our squad is very young and look at how it worked for Ipswich with McKenna. Maybe someone like a Ryan Mason or dare I say it Chris Powell?0
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DubaiCAFC said:
Good post, and I think you are right, money needs to be spent correctly, I believe the players that have come in have been an upgrade on last season, That is yet to be proved yes maybe we haven't bought enough in, but let's not forgot Holden wanted the smaller squad. Did he really want such a small squad or was that a party line?Henry Irving said:
I agree that money has been spent.Callumcafc said:How it all adds up from a financial stand point, I don’t know but the evidence is there to show that money has been available this summer.
Not earth shattering amounts but more than most in this league are able to boast.
$250k on May, similar amounts on Edun and Taylor, the loan of Camara won’t have been free… and now the sacking costing six figures in compensation.
Terms like "skint" are lazy now just as they were with Sandgaard, who the accounts proved spent a lot of money, mostly badly.
Money has to be spent every month just to pay the wages and other bills and we have no reason to think that that isn't happening under this regime or the previous one.
HOW MUCH is being spent and whether that is sufficient to mount a promotion campaign is a different matter.
Edun: some say a fee was paid but other reports say it was a free transfer with a potential sell on fee. But it was reported that compensation was paid for Taylor and it is likely that the Camara loan included a fee and/or a contribution to wages.
But against that the club have also freed up a lot of wages from the likes of Morgan, Innis, Clare and all the other players released over the summer. So there was a significant saving in the wages budget,
Both Lavelle and Woolacott were reported as undisclosed fees so money has come in as well as having been spent. Probably less, at my total guess, than we paid for May but the spending hasn't all be one way.
What we don't know and the GOF have been careful not to say is how does this year's budget compare with the previous season? Has it increased and if so by what percentage?
There is a good argument for saying that that is confidential and we don't want to let rivals and agents know how much we have but the "sources" have been very quick to tell us that Holden's severance was £500k. That seem excessive as either there was no usual six months or one year termination fee in his contract so he got three years money or he was on a huge £0.5m a year.
Regardless, it was the GOF who made the decision to sack Holden.
So I believe that there is money, the SMT isn't skint but as the bishop said to the actress it's not the size, it's what you do with it.
It is was quite clear, they wasn't going to throw millions at it to start with Why is that quite clear? There was lots of talk of billionnaires etc and there is still unofficial talk of there being money and that it is going to be spent but no official mention of what the budget is compared to last season and most were happy with us playing academy players and giving them a pathway, as we have one of the best in the country. There is playing academy players and then there is over playing academy players because there is no realistic alternative because the recruitment, both in and out, has been too slow and I know which I think we've done.
Holden come across as a lovely guy, but tactically he was all over the place! Yet the SMT kept him on and let him be part of the team to bring in new players. Did they suddenly realise that Holden, their own appointment. was tactically all over the place this month or did they just react to the results?
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OK - I'll clarify what I have said about money.Henry Irving said:
I agree that money has been spent.Callumcafc said:How it all adds up from a financial stand point, I don’t know but the evidence is there to show that money has been available this summer.
Not earth shattering amounts but more than most in this league are able to boast.
$250k on May, similar amounts on Edun and Taylor, the loan of Camara won’t have been free… and now the sacking costing six figures in compensation.
Terms like "skint" are lazy now just as they were with Sandgaard, who the accounts proved spent a lot of money, mostly badly.
Money has to be spent every month just to pay the wages and other bills and we have no reason to think that that isn't happening under this regime or the previous one.
HOW MUCH is being spent and whether that is sufficient to mount a promotion campaign is a different matter.
Edun: some say a fee was paid but other reports say it was a free transfer with a potential sell on fee. But it was reported that compensation was paid for Taylor and it is likely that the Camara loan included a fee and/or a contribution to wages.
But against that the club have also freed up a lot of wages from the likes of Morgan, Innis, Clare and all the other players released over the summer. So there was a significant saving in the wages budget,
Both Lavelle and Woolacott were reported as undisclosed fees so money has come in as well as having been spent. Probably less, at my total guess, than we paid for May but the spending hasn't all be one way.
What we don't know and the GOF have been careful not to say is how does this year's budget compare with the previous season? Has it increased and if so by what percentage?
There is a good argument for saying that that is confidential and we don't want to let rivals and agents know how much we have but the "sources" have been very quick to tell us that Holden's severance was £500k. That seem excessive as either there was no usual six months or one year termination fee in his contract so he got three years money or he was on a huge £0.5m a year.
Regardless, it was the GOF who made the decision to sack Holden.
So I believe that there is money, the SMT isn't skint but as the bishop said to the actress it's not the size, it's what you do with it.
1 - we don't know what money the investors have earmarked for Charlton
2- evidence to date suggests that they will not invest the kinds of sums that will sort the club out
3- yes, they have wasted money in their short time as owners
4 - I have no doubt that SMT/CM will be taking out whatever they can get
5- the comments by CM that suggested player sales to balance the books was another hint that their model could be based on low budget/asset sales
So you and others are right - they are spending money, so allegations like mine that they have no money are wrong. But, early signs are not good and I have little confidence the next manager will either have the funds or even the capability to turn the club around.
I honestly hope my cynicism is proved wrong
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The only person worse than Lee Johnson would be Neil Fucking Lennon!!!Redrobo said:Neil Lennon out of work. In for the Hibbs job but a very good manager.9 -
I think you answered your own question a bit with these gone.supaclive said:Why do people claim this squad is better than last year?
Rak saki has gone, Stockley, Morgan, Clare, Innis, Woolacott etc
It is arguable that May is not better than Rak Saki
I could go on but until this squad actually proves they are better I am not so sure.
We may have more upside with the teenagers' ceiling in terms of ability but this group currently make mistake after mistake, can't defend set pieces, can't utilise attacking set pieces.
Yes you can coach players but if the corner or free kick taker can't beat the first man - is that coaching or talent?!
I think we have much higher opinion of our own players than others do! Or at least Darren Ferguson to begin with!
The quality of player we now have is, in my opinion, undoubtedly better than last year. We’re just still undercooked. We need a couple more players though. We needed them a month ago!
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Why don’t we go out and get JCH or Ladapo now Holden has gone then? Either could play alongside May. If either do sign then that shows they were never alternatives to May.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith we was very close.Scoham said:
Smith - we were said to have made an offer and he chose to go back to his old club Reading. Someone on here even said we offered a bigger wage.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!Scoham said:
Who were the better options available than May?DubaiCAFC said:
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.Major said:
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?DubaiCAFC said:
I believe Richardson is on the shortlistbalham red said:Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Ladapo - sure he was available? He hasn’t left Ipswich yet.
JCH - an older player with no resale value and a lot bigger asking price than May. Are you confident Holden stopped us from signing him as he wanted May and the owners were willing to pay for him?
Nombe - a much higher asking price than May, better is debatable though. I don’t know enough about him but his goalscoring record isn’t as good as May’s over the last two seasons, but being younger he should have far more potential to improve.
Stansfield - went to the Championship, so wasn’t available to us.
To add to that, given we’re still after a striker and made Smith an offer I’m not seeing how May joining for about £250k stopped another striker coming in - we’ve been after another all summer.
Ladapo was available and still might be, we wanted to take him & Camara within the same deal.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't
Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move.
We was certainly in the running for players in my opinion are better than May!
Sounds like you agree we could have signed Smith or Stansfield as well as May?
I still don’t see this ownership paying the £2m+ asking price for JCH but I’d be very happy to be proven wrong.
None of that sounds like Holden stopped them from signing by bringing in May, other than Nombe, and like I said it’s debatable whether Nombe is better.5 -
Strange how so many deals were close but we just couldn't get them over the line.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith we was very close.Scoham said:
Smith - we were said to have made an offer and he chose to go back to his old club Reading. Someone on here even said we offered a bigger wage.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!Scoham said:
Who were the better options available than May?DubaiCAFC said:
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.Major said:
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?DubaiCAFC said:
I believe Richardson is on the shortlistbalham red said:Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Ladapo - sure he was available? He hasn’t left Ipswich yet.
JCH - an older player with no resale value and a lot bigger asking price than May. Are you confident Holden stopped us from signing him as he wanted May and the owners were willing to pay for him?
Nombe - a much higher asking price than May, better is debatable though. I don’t know enough about him but his goalscoring record isn’t as good as May’s over the last two seasons, but being younger he should have far more potential to improve.
Stansfield - went to the Championship, so wasn’t available to us.
To add to that, given we’re still after a striker and made Smith an offer I’m not seeing how May joining for about £250k stopped another striker coming in - we’ve been after another all summer.
Ladapo was available and still might be, we wanted to take him & Camara within the same deal.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't
Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move.
We was certainly in the running for players in my opinion are better than May!
Maybe take a step back and think that maybe, just maybe, the SMT are spinning the failure to get another striker and now that Holden has gone, shifting the blame on him.
"Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other." Ask yourself why was it one of the other? On what basis other than money as they would compliment each other as players.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move. But since we aren't a championship club it can't have ever been that close.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't Maybe so but Holden has gone now so nothing stopping Scott going back in for him other than the Posh owner saying we can't afford him.
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Not a fair comparison as they're completely different players. It would be better to compare JRS to Chem Campbell, but it's too early to judge him.supaclive said:Why do people claim this squad is better than last year?
Rak saki has gone, Stockley, Morgan, Clare, Innis, Woolacott etc
It is arguable that May is not better than Rak Saki
I could go on but until this squad actually proves they are better I am not so sure.
We may have more upside with the teenagers' ceiling in terms of ability but this group currently make mistake after mistake, can't defend set pieces, can't utilise attacking set pieces.
Yes you can coach players but if the corner or free kick taker can't beat the first man - is that coaching or talent?!
I think we have much higher opinion of our own players than others do! Or at least Darren Ferguson to begin with!
May as a striker whose job is to score goals is definitely an upgrade on Stockley.0 -
Also Holden made a point a couple of times that Peterborough has managed to keep hold of him, in the build up to our game with them, Holden spoke a bit about JCH so I would be very surprised if he didn't want to sign him.Henry Irving said:
Strange how so many deals were close but we just couldn't get them over the line.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith we was very close.Scoham said:
Smith - we were said to have made an offer and he chose to go back to his old club Reading. Someone on here even said we offered a bigger wage.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!Scoham said:
Who were the better options available than May?DubaiCAFC said:
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.Major said:
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?DubaiCAFC said:
I believe Richardson is on the shortlistbalham red said:Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Ladapo - sure he was available? He hasn’t left Ipswich yet.
JCH - an older player with no resale value and a lot bigger asking price than May. Are you confident Holden stopped us from signing him as he wanted May and the owners were willing to pay for him?
Nombe - a much higher asking price than May, better is debatable though. I don’t know enough about him but his goalscoring record isn’t as good as May’s over the last two seasons, but being younger he should have far more potential to improve.
Stansfield - went to the Championship, so wasn’t available to us.
To add to that, given we’re still after a striker and made Smith an offer I’m not seeing how May joining for about £250k stopped another striker coming in - we’ve been after another all summer.
Ladapo was available and still might be, we wanted to take him & Camara within the same deal.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't
Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move.
We was certainly in the running for players in my opinion are better than May!
Maybe take a step back and think that maybe, just maybe, the SMT are spinning the failure to get another striker and now that Holden has gone, shifting the blame on him.
"Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other." Ask yourself why was it one of the other? On what basis other than money as they would compliment each other as players.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move. But since we aren't a championship club it can't have ever been that close.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't Maybe so but Holden has gone now so nothing stopping Scott going back in for him other than the Posh owner saying we can't afford him.3 -
All good clarifications of what you mean and I don't disagree but just proves my point that using terms like "skint" is lazy and also inaccurate.BigDiddy said:
OK - I'll clarify what I have said about money.Henry Irving said:
I agree that money has been spent.Callumcafc said:How it all adds up from a financial stand point, I don’t know but the evidence is there to show that money has been available this summer.
Not earth shattering amounts but more than most in this league are able to boast.
$250k on May, similar amounts on Edun and Taylor, the loan of Camara won’t have been free… and now the sacking costing six figures in compensation.
Terms like "skint" are lazy now just as they were with Sandgaard, who the accounts proved spent a lot of money, mostly badly.
Money has to be spent every month just to pay the wages and other bills and we have no reason to think that that isn't happening under this regime or the previous one.
HOW MUCH is being spent and whether that is sufficient to mount a promotion campaign is a different matter.
Edun: some say a fee was paid but other reports say it was a free transfer with a potential sell on fee. But it was reported that compensation was paid for Taylor and it is likely that the Camara loan included a fee and/or a contribution to wages.
But against that the club have also freed up a lot of wages from the likes of Morgan, Innis, Clare and all the other players released over the summer. So there was a significant saving in the wages budget,
Both Lavelle and Woolacott were reported as undisclosed fees so money has come in as well as having been spent. Probably less, at my total guess, than we paid for May but the spending hasn't all be one way.
What we don't know and the GOF have been careful not to say is how does this year's budget compare with the previous season? Has it increased and if so by what percentage?
There is a good argument for saying that that is confidential and we don't want to let rivals and agents know how much we have but the "sources" have been very quick to tell us that Holden's severance was £500k. That seem excessive as either there was no usual six months or one year termination fee in his contract so he got three years money or he was on a huge £0.5m a year.
Regardless, it was the GOF who made the decision to sack Holden.
So I believe that there is money, the SMT isn't skint but as the bishop said to the actress it's not the size, it's what you do with it.
1 - we don't know what money the investors have earmarked for Charlton
2- evidence to date suggests that they will not invest the kinds of sums that will sort the club out
3- yes, they have wasted money in their short time as owners
4 - I have no doubt that SMT/CM will be taking out whatever they can get
5- the comments by CM that suggested player sales to balance the books was another hint that their model could be based on low budget/asset sales
So you and others are right - they are spending money, so allegations like mine that they have no money are wrong. But, early signs are not good and I have little confidence the next manager will either have the funds or even the capability to turn the club around.
I honestly hope my cynicism is proved wrong
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May is better than StockleyChris_from_Sidcup said:
Not a fair comparison as they're completely different players. It would be better to compare JRS to Chem Campbell, but it's too early to judge him.supaclive said:Why do people claim this squad is better than last year?
Rak saki has gone, Stockley, Morgan, Clare, Innis, Woolacott etc
It is arguable that May is not better than Rak Saki
I could go on but until this squad actually proves they are better I am not so sure.
We may have more upside with the teenagers' ceiling in terms of ability but this group currently make mistake after mistake, can't defend set pieces, can't utilise attacking set pieces.
Yes you can coach players but if the corner or free kick taker can't beat the first man - is that coaching or talent?!
I think we have much higher opinion of our own players than others do! Or at least Darren Ferguson to begin with!
May as a striker whose job is to score goals is definitely an upgrade on Stockley.
Chem is NOT better than Rak Saki
In totality the jury is out that our current squad is better than last years.
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Not had a chance to catch up with this thread but have seen 2 different articles mentioning Bow is being considered
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It's going to be Lee Johnson, for all the wrong reasons, isn't it?0
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Trying to spin us not signing JCH because Holden didn’t want him is laughable. I’m sure the spin doctors will be working to shift the blame to Sandgaard and Holden for us having a disastrous start but I think it’s clear to nearly all fans who’s the most at faultSage said:
Also Holden made a point a couple of times that Peterborough has managed to keep hold of him, in the build up to our game with them, Holden spoke a bit about JCH so I would be very surprised if he didn't want to sign him.Henry Irving said:
Strange how so many deals were close but we just couldn't get them over the line.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith we was very close.Scoham said:
Smith - we were said to have made an offer and he chose to go back to his old club Reading. Someone on here even said we offered a bigger wage.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!Scoham said:
Who were the better options available than May?DubaiCAFC said:
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.Major said:
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?DubaiCAFC said:
I believe Richardson is on the shortlistbalham red said:Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Ladapo - sure he was available? He hasn’t left Ipswich yet.
JCH - an older player with no resale value and a lot bigger asking price than May. Are you confident Holden stopped us from signing him as he wanted May and the owners were willing to pay for him?
Nombe - a much higher asking price than May, better is debatable though. I don’t know enough about him but his goalscoring record isn’t as good as May’s over the last two seasons, but being younger he should have far more potential to improve.
Stansfield - went to the Championship, so wasn’t available to us.
To add to that, given we’re still after a striker and made Smith an offer I’m not seeing how May joining for about £250k stopped another striker coming in - we’ve been after another all summer.
Ladapo was available and still might be, we wanted to take him & Camara within the same deal.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't
Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move.
We was certainly in the running for players in my opinion are better than May!
Maybe take a step back and think that maybe, just maybe, the SMT are spinning the failure to get another striker and now that Holden has gone, shifting the blame on him.
"Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other." Ask yourself why was it one of the other? On what basis other than money as they would compliment each other as players.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move. But since we aren't a championship club it can't have ever been that close.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't Maybe so but Holden has gone now so nothing stopping Scott going back in for him other than the Posh owner saying we can't afford him.10 -
I agree and I stand corrected.Henry Irving said:
All good clarifications of what you mean and I don't disagree but just proves my point that using terms like "skint" is lazy and also inaccurate.BigDiddy said:
OK - I'll clarify what I have said about money.Henry Irving said:
I agree that money has been spent.Callumcafc said:How it all adds up from a financial stand point, I don’t know but the evidence is there to show that money has been available this summer.
Not earth shattering amounts but more than most in this league are able to boast.
$250k on May, similar amounts on Edun and Taylor, the loan of Camara won’t have been free… and now the sacking costing six figures in compensation.
Terms like "skint" are lazy now just as they were with Sandgaard, who the accounts proved spent a lot of money, mostly badly.
Money has to be spent every month just to pay the wages and other bills and we have no reason to think that that isn't happening under this regime or the previous one.
HOW MUCH is being spent and whether that is sufficient to mount a promotion campaign is a different matter.
Edun: some say a fee was paid but other reports say it was a free transfer with a potential sell on fee. But it was reported that compensation was paid for Taylor and it is likely that the Camara loan included a fee and/or a contribution to wages.
But against that the club have also freed up a lot of wages from the likes of Morgan, Innis, Clare and all the other players released over the summer. So there was a significant saving in the wages budget,
Both Lavelle and Woolacott were reported as undisclosed fees so money has come in as well as having been spent. Probably less, at my total guess, than we paid for May but the spending hasn't all be one way.
What we don't know and the GOF have been careful not to say is how does this year's budget compare with the previous season? Has it increased and if so by what percentage?
There is a good argument for saying that that is confidential and we don't want to let rivals and agents know how much we have but the "sources" have been very quick to tell us that Holden's severance was £500k. That seem excessive as either there was no usual six months or one year termination fee in his contract so he got three years money or he was on a huge £0.5m a year.
Regardless, it was the GOF who made the decision to sack Holden.
So I believe that there is money, the SMT isn't skint but as the bishop said to the actress it's not the size, it's what you do with it.
1 - we don't know what money the investors have earmarked for Charlton
2- evidence to date suggests that they will not invest the kinds of sums that will sort the club out
3- yes, they have wasted money in their short time as owners
4 - I have no doubt that SMT/CM will be taking out whatever they can get
5- the comments by CM that suggested player sales to balance the books was another hint that their model could be based on low budget/asset sales
So you and others are right - they are spending money, so allegations like mine that they have no money are wrong. But, early signs are not good and I have little confidence the next manager will either have the funds or even the capability to turn the club around.
I honestly hope my cynicism is proved wrong2 -
unfortunately, I think it could be. Not convinced the 2 sackings were mutually exclusivethetomahawkkid said:It's going to be Lee Johnson, for all the wrong reasons, isn't it?0 -
Maybe, maybe not. But not sure how you can make that call when he's played about 45 minutes for us. He might turn out to be brilliant.supaclive said:
May is better than StockleyChris_from_Sidcup said:
Not a fair comparison as they're completely different players. It would be better to compare JRS to Chem Campbell, but it's too early to judge him.supaclive said:Why do people claim this squad is better than last year?
Rak saki has gone, Stockley, Morgan, Clare, Innis, Woolacott etc
It is arguable that May is not better than Rak Saki
I could go on but until this squad actually proves they are better I am not so sure.
We may have more upside with the teenagers' ceiling in terms of ability but this group currently make mistake after mistake, can't defend set pieces, can't utilise attacking set pieces.
Yes you can coach players but if the corner or free kick taker can't beat the first man - is that coaching or talent?!
I think we have much higher opinion of our own players than others do! Or at least Darren Ferguson to begin with!
May as a striker whose job is to score goals is definitely an upgrade on Stockley.
Chem is NOT better than Rak Saki
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Rich Cawley says he’s not interested. Which I find hard to believe unless Bowyer has decided management is not for him (he was keen on the Leeds job recently), he isn’t getting a championship job so we are probably the best offer he will getPrincessFiona said:Not had a chance to catch up with this thread but have seen 2 different articles mentioning Bow is being considered4 -
Really??With this clusterf*ck of an ownership rabble?NabySarr said:
Rich Cawley says he’s not interested. Which I find hard to believe unless Bowyer has decided management is not for him (he was keen on the Leeds job recently), he isn’t getting a championship job so we are probably the best offer he will getPrincessFiona said:Not had a chance to catch up with this thread but have seen 2 different articles mentioning Bow is being considered
No credible candidate is going to go anywhere near it.4 -
Precisely. Extremely interesting timing that Holden goes and as soon as he's not around (and probably under some sort of handshake deal to keep quiet) all these details just so happen to be revealed... pure coincidence I'm sure.Henry Irving said:
Strange how so many deals were close but we just couldn't get them over the line.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith we was very close.Scoham said:
Smith - we were said to have made an offer and he chose to go back to his old club Reading. Someone on here even said we offered a bigger wage.DubaiCAFC said:
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!Scoham said:
Who were the better options available than May?DubaiCAFC said:
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.Major said:
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?DubaiCAFC said:
I believe Richardson is on the shortlistbalham red said:Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Ladapo - sure he was available? He hasn’t left Ipswich yet.
JCH - an older player with no resale value and a lot bigger asking price than May. Are you confident Holden stopped us from signing him as he wanted May and the owners were willing to pay for him?
Nombe - a much higher asking price than May, better is debatable though. I don’t know enough about him but his goalscoring record isn’t as good as May’s over the last two seasons, but being younger he should have far more potential to improve.
Stansfield - went to the Championship, so wasn’t available to us.
To add to that, given we’re still after a striker and made Smith an offer I’m not seeing how May joining for about £250k stopped another striker coming in - we’ve been after another all summer.
Ladapo was available and still might be, we wanted to take him & Camara within the same deal.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't
Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move.
We was certainly in the running for players in my opinion are better than May!
Maybe take a step back and think that maybe, just maybe, the SMT are spinning the failure to get another striker and now that Holden has gone, shifting the blame on him.
"Nombe - we would have gone back in for him, but we wouldn't have got May, was one or the other." Ask yourself why was it one of the other? On what basis other than money as they would compliment each other as players.
Stansfield - was actually really close to signing, but wanted championship move. But since we aren't a championship club it can't have ever been that close.
JCH was seen a striker that could have got us out of the league, and Scott wanted him but Holden didn't Maybe so but Holden has gone now so nothing stopping Scott going back in for him other than the Posh owner saying we can't afford him.
Not having a go at Dubai as I do think he's sharing in good faith. However I do very much doubt that he's been GIVEN this info in equally good faith.12 -
Palace are sadly better than WolvesChris_from_Sidcup said:
Maybe, maybe not. But not sure how you can make that call when he's played about 45 minutes for us. He might turn out to be brilliant.supaclive said:
May is better than StockleyChris_from_Sidcup said:
Not a fair comparison as they're completely different players. It would be better to compare JRS to Chem Campbell, but it's too early to judge him.supaclive said:Why do people claim this squad is better than last year?
Rak saki has gone, Stockley, Morgan, Clare, Innis, Woolacott etc
It is arguable that May is not better than Rak Saki
I could go on but until this squad actually proves they are better I am not so sure.
We may have more upside with the teenagers' ceiling in terms of ability but this group currently make mistake after mistake, can't defend set pieces, can't utilise attacking set pieces.
Yes you can coach players but if the corner or free kick taker can't beat the first man - is that coaching or talent?!
I think we have much higher opinion of our own players than others do! Or at least Darren Ferguson to begin with!
May as a striker whose job is to score goals is definitely an upgrade on Stockley.
Chem is NOT better than Rak Saki
In totality the jury is out that our current squad is better than last years.
Rak Saki is in their first team squad
Chem is on loan to us
Last season in the same division, Rak Saki had a much better total body of work than Chem
Leave it out now
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From Bowyer’s previous experience this group would probably be the best he’s ever worked under! Which does say more about Roland, ESI, Sandgaard and Birminghams previous ownerscarly burn said:
Really??With this clusterf*vk of an ownership rabble?NabySarr said:
Rich Cawley says he’s not interested. Which I find hard to believe unless Bowyer has decided management is not for him (he was keen on the Leeds job recently), he isn’t getting a championship job so we are probably the best offer he will getPrincessFiona said:Not had a chance to catch up with this thread but have seen 2 different articles mentioning Bow is being considered
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I’m not actually bothered about who the next manager is personally, because whoever comes in they will be getting similar results to Holden, even if they are the best coach in the world we still have one senior striker, a defence that any team can counter against, multiple players injured, a tiny squad of too many youth players forced to play 90 mins every week, and they’ll have those same problems until January, and then who’s to say they will even be supported in the transfer market in January when they didn’t support Holden who was their chosen man in the first place.
If I was one of our ‘good’ players I’d be calling my agent saying please can you get me a move, we could still see some of our better players like Dobson, CBT leave in the next few days and not be replaced at all.
Everything looked so positive in that first half vs Millwall, where did it all go so badly wrong? For me it’s the lack of spending on new players.6 -
The mandate for the incoming captain of the new ship of fools must be to stabilize it, even if only for the season. In the meantime, we can all look back to a time when managers would have been falling over themselves to land a job at Club punching above it's weight in the upper echelons the upper echelons of the Premier League and we had Scott Parker pulling the strings on the pitch not Andy Scott pulling them off of it.
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All the talk of what nearly happens, or what we were hoping for, or other/bigger clubs getting in front of us, or failings of medicals, or technical hitches sounds like obfuscating propaganda rubbish.
It is established that Methven has contempt for us fans and he believes we will swallow any old crap.
I think we are close to pigs on the pitch territory.6 -
why would he? If he has been approached though, does it mean the next one in line isn't a forgone conclusion? Or they are trying to make out it isn't?!shine166 said:Only just seen this thread so can't look through all the posts. Please delete if it's already been mentioned.0
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