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Next Manager Search - August 2023

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  • CAFCsayer said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Has Isted fallen into the same medical black hole as Alfie May?
    May never had a medical. Fee never been agreed, and I am not sure Holden wants him either

    🤔
  • So instead of putting the 500k towards a bid for Nombe and giving Holden a decent strike pairing, or maybe even buying a competent centre back................we've spent the money on sacking him.

    Brilliant work guys.
    1.5 million is what they wanted.
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    So instead of putting the 500k towards a bid for Nombe and giving Holden a decent strike pairing, or maybe even buying a competent centre back................we've spent the money on sacking him.

    Brilliant work guys.
    1.5 million is what they wanted.
    Maybe so, but i think 1m with a year left on his contract would have tested their resolve.

    We bid 500, they want 1.5, meet in the middle. 
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    So instead of putting the 500k towards a bid for Nombe and giving Holden a decent strike pairing, or maybe even buying a competent centre back................we've spent the money on sacking him.

    Brilliant work guys.
    1.5 million is what they wanted.
    Maybe so, but i think 1m with a year left on his contract would have tested their resolve.

    We bid 500, they want 1.5, meet in the middle. 
    Maybe so!
  • Who was available that’s better than Alfie May then? May is regarded as one of the best forwards in the league….he was before he joined Charlton anyway. 
  • Who was available that’s better than Alfie May then? May is regarded as one of the best forwards in the league….he was before he joined Charlton anyway. 
    Any striker is available if you're prepared to pay the asking price.

    Obviously we're not going to but if we had 3.5m to spend we could easily get JCH and Nombe.
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  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    What was the big rush to sack Holden with no replacement lined up?
    Not defending these guys at all, but I'm sure I've seen criticism of TS potentially talking to replacement managers before sacking JJ.

    Owners can't win with our fans... unless they get some bloody success.
  • According to an article in Black Cats, Kevin Phillips is in the mix. Bit left field that one
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    What was the big rush to sack Holden with no replacement lined up?
    Not defending these guys at all, but I'm sure I've seen criticism of TS potentially talking to replacement managers before sacking JJ.

    Owners can't win with our fans... unless they get some bloody success.
    Well, it’s not nice, but that’s football. It’s a brutal business and you’ve got to have a plan. I don’t see that there was a desperate need to sack Holden this early in the season if there’s no one ready to come in. 
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    Interested as to who the better striker options were?
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    Who were the better options available than May?
  • edited August 2023
    Scoham said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    Who were the better options available than May?
    I thought people were saying he didn’t want May? Most confusing.

    Getting rid of Holden this early in the season smacks of panic stations at Consortium HQ. I expect they were promised a quick promotion as part of the deal, so (and I think I agree) best to act as early as possible to try to stop the rot. Four or five more matches where we don’t pick up many points would be ruinous for the season. 
  • Who was available that’s better than Alfie May then? May is regarded as one of the best forwards in the league….he was before he joined Charlton anyway. 

    If Leaburn and Fraser were fit together for the first game of the season then Alfie May would've had a target man to play off and Fraser who had a good pre season a link man to play the 10 role.
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  • How it all adds up from a financial stand point, I don’t know but the evidence is there to show that money has been available this summer.

    Not earth shattering amounts but more than most in this league are able to boast.

    $250k on May, similar amounts on Edun and Taylor, the loan of Camara won’t have been free… and now the sacking costing six figures in compensation.
  • KettsJohn said:
    Depressing being a Charlton supporter isn't it 
    Well it’s never boring. 
    I think I’d settle for boring. 
  • edited August 2023
    Who was available that’s better than Alfie May then? May is regarded as one of the best forwards in the league….he was before he joined Charlton anyway. 

    If Leaburn and Fraser were fit together for the first game of the season then Alfie May would've had a target man to play off and Fraser who had a good pre season a link man to play the 10 role.
    I was half joking. I think May has done well so far. My question for Dubai was, realistically, who was Holden offered that is better than May?
  • SDAddick said:
    It's a difficult time because we're the first club to sack their manager, and as such, interesting managers at other clubs haven't come free yet. 

    I would not have been thrilled by Ferguson, but we could certainly do far worse. 

    I'm sort of desperately looking at teams in the Championship and League One that have started slowly. I don't think Rotherham would part with Taylor, especially early on, but he would be a great get. Xisco at Sheff Wed would also be interesting, but I don't know that he'd need to drop down to League One unless he was set on managing and succeeding in England. 

    So back to reality: 
    • Darren Moore: By all accounts a lovely guy. Think he did the right think being asked to be paid like a Championship manager at Sheff Wed. I just think he's probably holding out for a Championship job, and more importantly, I don't think his style fits our squad. At all. 
    • Bowyer: Never go back. 2018/19 was great. I think Bowyer did the best he could in 19/20. But I think people forget just how bereft of ideas he was at the end of his time here. And generally, he accomplished a lot here and I think it would be a real risk to him coming back now.
    • Robinson: Okay, my unpopular opinion is that this is a squad that would suit Robinson's system and style of play. Would I bring him back? Only if I absolutely couldn't get anyone else. But he did pretty well at Oxford, seemed to become a little more tactically flexible.
    • Bonner: I'm always a little worried about giving managers who have been at one club for a while a big step up. He's definitely done well with the resources at his disposal at Cambridge. 4-2-3-1 is what I think this squad will end up playing. 
    • Ritchie Wellens: I think this is very, very unlikely but he obviously did incredibly well with Orient last year. I like the way he wants to play football even if I think he made a poor substitution bringing off Piggot and not replacing him with a CF on opening day. 
    • Grant McCann: Makes sense that we would move on from Ferguson to McCann. 
    • Michael Appleton: I no longer know what type of manager Appleton is, I only know him as a meme.
    • Nathan Jones: I suspect he was (or should have been) humbled by his time at Soton. I don't think he was League One humbled, and I don't think a diamond suits this team. 
    • Euell/Pearce: I doubt Pearce is in line for it. Euell seems like a decent coach but I feel like he needs a senior managerial job, and also, I feel like this club could use some fresh blood from a coaching perspective.
    • Steve Cotterill: Cheekbones you could set your watch by. He's been around forever, and I really struggle to remember any of his sides. That's not necessarily a knock on him, it might be more about me and my memory, but he seems to be gradually working his way down the leagues.
    • Danny Cowley: There was a time when he seemed quite intriguing, but things didn't end well at Hudds and didn't seem to go well at Portsmouth and I'm now quite skeptical. I think he is a cautionary tale for someone like a Bonner--making the step up and falling short.
    • Warburton: He did alright with QPR, but it's weird to me that he hasn't had a job since. I don't know if that was by choice. 
    • Lee Johnson: There was a time when he was considered a bright young manager. It will be him I suspect.

    It's, not an inspiring list. I really hope Rodwell has a deep rolladex with coaches who aren't his friends. I do think this could be a good job for a Championship Assistant looking to break into management (what we tried to do with Beale). Right now it just feels like there isn't a whole lot out there. I think Holden had to go, he'd hit his ceiling and he was bumping up against it. But sacking a manager is only half of the equation. Would this lot be okay to let Pearcey go 2-3 weeks to see who comes available? I doubt it given how poorly we've started, but we'll see.
    I know you took a lot of time making this post but Chris Powell is abscent from that list;

    Reason - he "gets" us - Holden made a big "thing" about the no dick head rule - CP didn't even feel the need to explain that as a prerequisit - it was a natural assumption for any player coming here.
    Ability - he has previous significant success - he's won this league once at a canter
    Opportunity - he is available and not in current employment
    Financial - it wouldn't cost us a major amount since he is coming from a coaching role 
    Most importantly - gives the fan base the kind of lift that is potentially only possible with one other encumbent
    and dare I forget Will - unfinished business, affinity with the fans, wanting to prove he is a top level manager



    I don’t really think Powell is an option these days.
  • Scoham said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    Who were the better options available than May?
    Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May! 
  • With 17 managers in 17 years, I don't think we'll get anyone of great caliber. Would like Danny Cowley, but would he come to the basket case that our club has become?
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Scoham said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Major said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
    I believe Richardson is on the shortlist 
    How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
    Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack. 

    Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden. 

    Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign. 

    Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees. 

    Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
    Who were the better options available than May?
    Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May! 
    Sounds like we made enquiries and then signed the cheapest one.

    Stansfield obviously would've been a loan but clearly Fulham wanted him to step up a level.
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