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Next Manager Search - August 2023
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Modern managers do get a say. They tell the dof/head of recruitment, whatever that title is, what type of player they want and what position and away they go.Covered_End_Lad said:
I actually disagree, surely a manager who gets no say in what players are given to him can't be expected to make them all perform.fenaddick said:
Think it just suggests they won't be super involved in transfers which is fine by meCovered_End_Lad said:
Cawley again using the term Head Coach rather than manager, seems intentional.Callumcafc said:
recruitment has (so I've been told) been taken off of Jackson which frees up jackson to work on tactics, training etc. makes sense to me1 -
Or even worse, appoint Dowie!golfaddick said:It seems to me we are at a pivotal moment akin to when Curbs left.
I just hope that Scott doesn't follow Murray and appoint another "Dowie" 😔1 -
Covered_End_Lad said:
I actually disagree, surely a manager who gets no say in what players are given to him can't be expected to make them all performfenaddick said:
Think it just suggests they won't be super involved in transfers which is fine by meCovered_End_Lad said:
Cawley again using the term Head Coach rather than manager, seems intentional.Callumcafc said:
Who ever takes over now has had no say in the squad he will work with that's why I said it will be a hard gig.
Most head coaches do have some say in a window when a squad or new players come in.
You know Premier managers don't have carte Blanche to get in who want but they will have input and that has trickled down the leagues over time.
No manager has the power of a Ferguson or Wenger did when they spoke directly to players and agents before sending in the admin to do the paperwork.
I guess even they had to get it endorsed by Martin Edwards at United and David Dein at Arsenal.0 -
Based on what evidence?ecclesaddick said:Scott will appoint a yes man24 -
Surely Parker would be the one appointment that wouldn't divide the fanbase, as no one would want him here.33
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Whoever gets it has no say in the squad, but they do have the choice of quite a large squad at least, even if lots of that squad are young0
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I’d be more than happy to have him as managerCroydon said:Surely Parker would be the one appointment that wouldn't divide the fanbase, as no one would want him here.29 -
people remember players differently, i have no doubt that a large percentage of our following would welcome him with open arms.Croydon said:Surely Parker would be the one appointment that wouldn't divide the fanbase, as no one would want him here.2 -
Not trueCroydon said:Surely Parker would be the one appointment that wouldn't divide the fanbase, as no one would want him here.
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I'd rather Josh Parker (and not just because he's banging in the goals for Oxford City). Parker so far has a very meh record as a Manager. 2 promotions but with teams with massive budgets in comparison to the teams they were up against. Also managed to get Fulham relegated twice. Then took over one of the biggest teams in Belgium that had just made it through to the knockout stages of the Champions League but only won 2 of 12 games.1
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Croydon said:Surely Parker would be the one appointment that wouldn't divide the fanbase, as no one would want him here.
I tend to disagree after the surreal scenes in the away end at Fulham when lots of Chants about "Parker you're a cnut' and yet he was being cheered as well.
One family started slapping each other as the younger members were chanting obscenities and the older members were cheering him. A steward ran up and I said mate they are only arguing about whether to have a Chinese or Indian on the way home.
We have a totally bonkers fan base so anything is possible.2 -
Would be happy with Parker2
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I'd have Parker. Yes we were all pissed off when he left and possibly cost us a Champions League place, but he was a young man following the money. Its what most of us would do given the opportunity.2
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Not sure I'd welcome Parker. This is due his complete strop at Bournemouth, more than from his exit at Charlton. He's alienated himself.4
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Most often they have played with a 442000__Jaaaaay__000 said:What formation do the cowleys tend to use ? Any idea ?2 -
Yes. Put the boot into Holden.Hal1x said:
"impact Holden"??seth plum said:So from what I can glean the decision to impact Holden was taken just after Port Vale and before Oxford United. The evidence being the approach to Powell before the Oxford game.
The subsequent scrabbling, interviews and delays suggests to me that this Shamocracy are not in control or managing the situation in a coherent way, yet I bet they present the next manager as the golden person they always wanted.
I think all their decisions are purely about money, consultancy fees, pay offs, and persuading distant investors that their money is safe because they are on top of it all.
Holden was a dead man walking going to Charlie Methven’s Oxford United, and since his departure they haven’t had a plan. If they had a clear direction of travel then the players recruited by Scott would be the ones the new guy suggested, except there is no new guy.0 -
I suspect they'll be expected to tell Scott that they want X type of player for X position and then the recruitment team go and find a list of players for the head coach to say yes or no to. Perfectly fine and in line with the best performing clubs in modern football. Gives the manager more time to focus on the training pitch and means if the coach is fired/poached then the squad isn't moulded in his imageCovered_End_Lad said:
I actually disagree, surely a manager who gets no say in what players are given to him can't be expected to make them all perform.fenaddick said:
Think it just suggests they won't be super involved in transfers which is fine by meCovered_End_Lad said:
Cawley again using the term Head Coach rather than manager, seems intentional.Callumcafc said:3 -
But you still think they're ponyChunes said:
It was a metaphorical horse.soapboxsam said:Chunes said:
I don't rate Cowley because I think we're massive? Talk about putting words in my mouth!soapboxsam said:No problem with Danny Cowley and Bro.
Charlton Athletic are an established 3rd tier club and many of our fan/critic base still think we are massive.
Football isn't quantum mechanics when no one's watching you jump divisions.
Luton, Coventry, Bournemouth, Brighton etc,
dropped to the depth and it was being realistic that made the journey back up not harping on about past glories.
Tony Bloom is a genius but for most clubs it's trying to get everyone working together despite the boardroom shenanigans.
Hard work, a plan, strategy, good coaching, rub of the green. So many components need to dovetail for success on the pitch over a long season.
Forget our Premier days (for the moment) as that is history and just deal with the present of having a team/ squad that can elevate up the table in League 1.
I'll return the favour, you rate Cowley because you like his little beard
I didn't quote you so what's your problem 🤔
I will now then 🤷🏻♂️
Your words speak for themselves if you believe saying Scott was kicked in the head by a horse if he appoints the Cowley's is anything other than disengenuos.
I first saw them working Way down the football Pyramid years ago and came across well with their coaching from the touchline.
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If he divided the fan base then by definition some would want him here. Me included. I have no interest whatsoever beyond criminality in who is appointed as long as they get us out of this division. That goes for all the names.Croydon said:Surely Parker would be the one appointment that wouldn't divide the fanbase, as no one would want him here.3 - Sponsored links:
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Allow me to contemplate the notion that well known names won’t drop to our level.
Firstly is it better for someone like Scott Parker (not an appointment I would relish) to be not working with no money coming in, or to be working?Then there is the status thing. It was surreal that John Barnes got the Celtic job based on his name and nothing else, yet some of our fans sneer at Hasslebaink who had the dignity and awareness to start at a fairly humble level at Burton, where he wasn’t a disaster and is now part of the England set up. Sheesh even Joey Barton showed humility with his aspirations.
If some potential candidates don’t want to manage Charlton because of our lowly status (basket case regime notwithstanding) then feck ‘em. If they don’t want us, or would see managing us as doing a massive favour then they can go somewhere else more suited to their self image.12 -
Well I suppose if some of us could get over the fact that Parker ruined our perfect season and grieviously undermined Curbs carefully constructed side, he has the credentials and winning mentality to be a first class manager certainly at this level.
Who knows, if he were to lead us on a barnstorming successful promotion chase it could end up as the ultimate redemption.
Also, if he timed right he might make himself a shoe-in for the Chelsea job
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There's absolutely no way we should go for Parker. He will have no idea how to play in the 3rd division.7
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Naaaaay !Chunes said:I'm confident Scott isn't going to appoint the Cowley's, unless he's been kicked in the head by a horse.2 -
This is what I tried saying earlier but you've worded it betterfenaddick said:
I suspect they'll be expected to tell Scott that they want X type of player for X position and then the recruitment team go and find a list of players for the head coach to say yes or no to. Perfectly fine and in line with the best performing clubs in modern football. Gives the manager more time to focus on the training pitch and means if the coach is fired/poached then the squad isn't moulded in his imageCovered_End_Lad said:
I actually disagree, surely a manager who gets no say in what players are given to him can't be expected to make them all perform.fenaddick said:
Think it just suggests they won't be super involved in transfers which is fine by meCovered_End_Lad said:
Cawley again using the term Head Coach rather than manager, seems intentional.Callumcafc said:
managers stay around for 2 years these days. Clubs can't afford to mould new squads every 2 years or less, as we are proving! That's why, the new manager will fit into Scott's favoured formation.1 -
I think for a clue who might be appointed you've got to look at Holden's preferred formation and style of play. As Technical Director, Scott sets the playing style and formation of the team, he then signs the players best for the system and appoints a manager that fits with that style (we're told Holden was the SMT's choice). Brighton are one of the best examples of a club using this system. It's supposedly stops player churn every time a manager leaves or is sacked and allows continued development of younger players, so you always have players increasing in value rather than decreasing. All sounds great but obviously it's been a pretty awful start to the season and the PR driven CM is already trying to appease the fans by mentioning ex managers.1
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He seems to do pretty well in the second divisionalburyaddick said:There's absolutely no way we should go for Parker. He will have no idea how to play in the 3rd division.0 -
just like our players thenalburyaddick said:There's absolutely no way we should go for Parker. He will have no idea how to play in the 3rd division.31 -
Parker would do for me, I still thank him for making my day up at Leeds all those years ago, obviously he isn't universally popular.4
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What you get up to behind closed doors in Leeds is your business matejonseventyfive said:Parker would do for me, I still thank him for making my day up at Leeds all those years ago, obviously he isn't universally popular. 8
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