Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
It's the childhood memories of Tranmere's cup runs and his big long throw, admit it
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely.
Pearce has been in full time coaching less than two years and always effectively under supervision. That’s not even a punt compared to someone like Challinor or Richardson. It’s the cheapest of cheap option with a ready made fall guy. Having said that it’s worked before.
The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.
I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by
Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager
is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be
why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?
The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical
structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with
players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system.
I think it would make sense as a strategy considering we signed May. But not signing a left footed centre back or enough wing backs would probably hint towards the fact that we still have no idea what we are doing
I agree we have holes that is clear but the
mess and unbalance of the recruitment before may hinder and take time.
Think someone mentioned earlier that CBT had
been offered around. Which may be think that actually if you have this preferred
system that he don’t suit it would make sense why they may be open to him going
now.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely.
Pearce has been in full time coaching less than two years and always effectively under supervision. That’s not even a punt compared to someone like Challinor or Richardson. It’s the cheapest of cheap option with a ready made fall guy. Having said that it’s worked before.
How long had Curbs and Bowyer been in full time coaching? Not only has it worked before but it seems to be successful more often than not for us, as opposed to bringing a 'proven' manager in.
A big fan of Challinor at Stockport but they've made a slow start this season. They play some good football and I was surprised they didn't win promotion last season.
Has a good managerial CV but might be a risk at this level - Stockport have good ownership and I'm not sure how he'd work with our ownership.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely.
Because then you burn Pearce as a future option. He’s about a year into coaching the youth teams, let him sit there for a couple of years to gain some experience. Managers don’t tend to last more than 3 years so he won’t have to wait for too long
Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
And yet Challinor was sacked with his club in a National League relegation spot. His subsequent success elsewhere shows that one failure doesn't define him but it's a reminder that even the best normally have a blot on their record.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely.
Because then you burn Pearce as a future option. He’s about a year into coaching the youth teams, let him sit there for a couple of years to gain some experience. Managers don’t tend to last more than 3 years so he won’t have to wait for too long
I don't see that. You don't appoint him as manager, you make him a caretaker and consider alternatives. If it isn't going well you don't sack him but put him back where he was and focus on the work you are already doing on finding an alternative. In a year or two or three it wouldn't be unreasonable to give him another chance.
Most of our successful managers have lived relatively local to the valley. Curbs, Powell, Bowyer etc.
Are we better off getting a southern guy like Cowley (who has lived in Essex for large parts of his life) than having a Karl Robinson, Dean Holden situation where we ask the manager to live in a hotel away from their family whilst managing us.
I.e. is a manager that is more settled in the area a better option than asking Leam Richardson or Dave Challinor to uproot and relocate?
Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
And yet Challinor was sacked with his club in a National League relegation spot. His subsequent success elsewhere shows that one failure doesn't define him but it's a reminder that even the best normally have a blot on their record.
Well, to be fair that's quite a reductive view on it. Challinor took over Fylde in 2011 when they were in the NPL First Division North and won it. He then guided them to 5th the next season losing in the play-offs, then 3rd where he won them. In the Conference North he then finished 2nd (PO semis) then 3rd (PO final loss). The next season they won it and he then finished 7th and 5th up yet another league where he again had a bad PO experience. In 8 years he had three promotions, one FA Trophy win and 6 PO appearances. The only seasons he didn't get his team into the POs was when he won the league until his final season where things started to go wrong. They sacked him in October 2019 with the team in the relegation zone on goal difference and they then went on to be relegated anyway, albeit in a curtailed season. They lost a lot of players that season to L1 and L2 teams so I'm not surprised they struggled. Every manager eventually hits a point where they need to move on but to call his time at Fylde a 'failure' redeemed by his future success is insane, they were two leagues down when he started with them. The only thing that slightly worries me about him is he seems to be absolutely rubbish at winning play-off games but that's the least of our worries at the moment.
Asked my mate about challinor and this is what I got… Can’t say it sounds too exciting and the general consensus I have seen from Stockport fans is he is struggling this year.
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I agree we have holes that is clear but the mess and unbalance of the recruitment before may hinder and take time.
Think someone mentioned earlier that CBT had been offered around. Which may be think that actually if you have this preferred system that he don’t suit it would make sense why they may be open to him going now.
Has a good managerial CV but might be a risk at this level - Stockport have good ownership and I'm not sure how he'd work with our ownership.
Cobblers?
Cawley said it so it must be true
on their record.
Experience at our level or higher in Cowley and appleton but a fair bit of failure already on there CV
or an unproven lower league manager who hasnt had the chance yet at our level but has proven success and promotions already
I dont even know which one i would go for tbh both have there risks
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/dave-challinor-grimsby-town-tackle-6951084
Are we better off getting a southern guy like Cowley (who has lived in Essex for large parts of his life) than having a Karl Robinson, Dean Holden situation where we ask the manager to live in a hotel away from their family whilst managing us.
I.e. is a manager that is more settled in the area a better option than asking Leam Richardson or Dave Challinor to uproot and relocate?