Challinor is a similar career path to Ian Evatt who has done brilliantly at Bolton. Done very well at National League and League 2 level, a manager on the up. If he’s been interviewed then I’d assume he’s interested and ok with moving down south
at least he'll sort out the long throw problem : - )
I hope that isn’t representative of the calibre of ‘in work’ managers we’re interviewing. Done a very good job at Stockport but feels like we’d be a big step up for him
Are we that big a step up right now?
In theory we should be, although having watched us play Stockport last year it wasn’t very evident. There are some things that are different though, larger fan base, access to better youth players (I’d assume), expectation of Championship football etc
Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will
Formations aren't the issue - it's about having players that suit a formation and coaching it well.
We constantly chop and change managers, coaches, and usually sign players because they're cheap and available not because they fit a formation or plan.
Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will
Fully qualified Physiotherapist has a first class Hons degree which augers well, two for the price of one 😉. On the downside he effectively finished Martin Pringles career with a tackle that broke his leg in two places. Also was an exponent of a very long throw (world record holder apparently), keep practicing Alfie 😩.
Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will
Fully qualified Physiotherapist has a first class Hons degree which augers well two for the price of one 😉. On the downside he effectively finished Martin Pringles career with a tackle that broke his leg in two places. Also was an exponent of a very long throw, keep practicing Alfie 😁.
He comes to us and we will finish his career as payback.
If he doesn’t come to us, not sure I’d be too happy as a Stockport fan seeing that my manager was looking elsewhere!
He’s an absolute legend at Stockport as other North West based Addicks can confirm.
He also walked out on Hartlepool to take the Stockport job in the first place, which wasn't received well by the former fans seeing he'd just won them promotion to League Two.
At least he'll sort out the long throw problem : - )
Would be surprised by this one, if it happens, as Stockport seem a well run club with serious backing from a committed owner but I guess we're still a bigger club.
Also, always seen him as a northern lad.
But an interview is not the same as an appointment.
Looking at his career, he's never worked further south than North Wales! I imagine he considers Stoke as being full of southern softies
Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will
Formations aren't the issue - it's about having players that suit a formation and coaching it well.
We constantly chop and change managers, coaches, and usually sign players because they're cheap and available not because they fit a formation or plan.
Exactly this. A manager has to be open to the formation that best suits the squad. Especially if they are being appointed now FFS! when the window will be closed. If somebody says I don't like say 3-5-2 I am not interested in their view as that is all it is, a personal preference. If they say I don't like it for us because we need X and Y to play it effectively and we haven't got them, then I become interested. You can find examples where 3-5-2 is successful as you can 4-3-3 etc......
Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will
Fully qualified Physiotherapist has a first class Hons degree which augers well, two for the price of one 😉. On the downside he effectively finished Martin Pringles career with a tackle that broke his leg in two places. Also was an exponent of a very long throw (world record holder apparently), keep practicing Alfie 😩.
I would suggest that false information is being shared by someone in authority at the club with the intention of shaping public opinion. It is mixed in with accurate stuff to build confidence in the source and because sometimes it is useful to get accurate stuff out there.
This may be done through an intermediary in order to preserve official deniability. Ultimately the people briefing other fans get burnt because they are being used to spread useful misinformation. That’s the point of it.
The Cowley Brothers would get the players fitter as they are ex PE teachers but unfortunately can't do anything for Chuks as they don't perform miracles.
Down to earth Football guys who learnt their trade around the lower pyramid.
For me no hissy fit and say I won't go anymore if Johnson, Cowley, Appleton etc gets the gig but can any manager get me to go back regularly after giving up my season ticket after the guitar man said we would blow league one out of the water and I smelt bullshit.
The Cowley Brothers would get the players fitter as they are ex PE teachers but unfortunately can't do anything for Chuks as they don't perform miracles.
This is a good point, maybe we should look towards The Church
Challinor is an interesting one, majority of managerial career so far has been in non-league and league 2, however his overall win rate is 53% which is incredibly impressive. He has also managed nearly 700 games at the age of 47 which will provide him with a wealth of experience in different scenarios.
Whether he could translate that success and experience to a bigger club at a higher level remains to be seen but he looks a potentially exciting option if he did come in.
Challinor signed a 3 year contract in the summer so I would think he’s probably unlikely as we’d have to pay a decent compensation fee for him
Sounds perfect, we love wanking away our budget on managers Compo. Admittedly, it's usually so they will leave rather than join us. Just imagine how much he's gonna cost including the sacking fee next Easter.
Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will
Fully qualified Physiotherapist has a first class Hons degree which augers well, two for the price of one 😉. On the downside he effectively finished Martin Pringles career with a tackle that broke his leg in two places. Also was an exponent of a very long throw (world record holder apparently), keep practicing Alfie 😩.
Read Pat Nevin's new book the other day and he talked about this - apparently Challinor came up from the youth team for a game and suddenly lobbed a throw in about 2/3rds of the way up the pitch.
None of them knew he could do it, and he thought nothing of it so hadn't mentioned it ar all.
Imagine realising half way through a match that you had a weapon like that in your arsenal. Ah, cool, turns out us getting a throw in anywhere in their half is basically like a free kick.
The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
I have honestly never heard of the Stockport manager until right now but if we are not going to see the return of our most successful manager in the last 15 years then I would much prefer someone like him who seems on the up still then another random manager with multiple recent failings on their record.
I heard they approached Jonathan Acworth but he said ‘you can crawl, you can beg, you can plead, but it’s way too late…I’ll never be able to get Steve Portway in during this window now’.
The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.
I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by
Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager
is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be
why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?
The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical
structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with
players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system. This is the reason we have some many players we are stuck with.
Challinor signed a 3 year contract in the summer so I would think he’s probably unlikely as we’d have to pay a decent compensation fee for him
On 24 September 2021, Challinor signed a new three year contract to remain as manager of Hartlepool. On 1 November 2021, Challinor announced his intentions to step down from the position & take the job at Stockport.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt.
Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely.
The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.
I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by
Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager
is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be
why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?
The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical
structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with
players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system.
I think it would make sense as a strategy considering we signed May. But not signing a left footed centre back or enough wing backs would probably hint towards the fact that we still have no idea what we are doing
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We constantly chop and change managers, coaches, and usually sign players because they're cheap and available not because they fit a formation or plan.
Down to earth Football guys who learnt their trade around the lower pyramid.
For me no hissy fit and say I won't go anymore if Johnson, Cowley, Appleton etc gets the gig but can any manager get me to go back regularly after giving up my season ticket after the guitar man said we would blow league one out of the water and I smelt bullshit.
Whether he could translate that success and experience to a bigger club at a higher level remains to be seen but he looks a potentially exciting option if he did come in.
None of them knew he could do it, and he thought nothing of it so hadn't mentioned it ar all.
Imagine realising half way through a match that you had a weapon like that in your arsenal. Ah, cool, turns out us getting a throw in anywhere in their half is basically like a free kick.
I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?
The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system. This is the reason we have some many players we are stuck with.