I would suggest that false information is being shared by someone in authority at the club with the intention of shaping public opinion. It is mixed in with accurate stuff to build confidence in the source and because sometimes it is useful to get accurate stuff out there.
This may be done through an intermediary in order to preserve official deniability. Ultimately the people briefing other fans get burnt because they are being used to spread useful misinformation. That’s the point of it.
Bullshit , this mob have proper money , you wait till the end of the window and see where we’re at , stop talking us down , for once , just sit back and enjoy the ride .
Cowley is a little underwhelming but he did set his Pompey team up mostly in a 4-4-2 but also a 3-4-1-2. Both of which I think are well suited to the squad we have now, especially with Fraser injured at the moment
It's got to the point now that I just don’t trust our new owners. Normally when we are going to sign a new manager I get quite excited as to who it might be. Not this time though as it doesn't matter who he is as he won't be backed sufficiently to see us promoted and will probably be gone come the end of the season.
I have the same view as you re the new owners. You were very quick and on the money re Sandgaard ownership of the club. I feel the same about these, no statements, no marquee signing to show their intent and very little comment on the management of the football side.
We will end up with some journey man manager and the ball set rolling again.
So we are still going with they sacked Holden and staff without knowing who replaces them?
Im not buying that.
So, where is the evidence to support your statement? I would like to share your opinion (ie; that they have a plan and are executing...) but regrettably we are going to the end of the transfer window blind, no sign of the 'planned' appointment(s) being made etc. and therefore we are limping into the season without a plan and no squad to speak of.
Not claiming 'evidence' rather just my opinion.
But what steers me is this:
Holden came out of nowhere but had seemingly been talking to the 'Gang of Four' (GOF) beforehand
Its often said in Football people get tapped up /sounded out before an official move
Why the need to sack the coaching team as well when we aren't over staffed in that area ? - just to keep the wheels in motion in training etc. would make sense to retain & then dismiss later
Henderson has arrived very quickly as GK coach
Faint suspicion the next appointee will be known in some way to the GOF and it is a way to reward someone else with a slice of the investors money
The SMT claim to have football experience / know what they are doing - you don't fire without any plan at all
UNLESS there were major issues behind the scenes that are not being reported and it was closer to a dismissal rather than simply a results based change. But I'm not suggesting that is the case.
Arent the Cowley known to be long-ball merchants? Not sure that will get the best out of May
It will if he’s got Leaburn next to him. Cheltenham played direct and May scored a lot from long balls over the top. He just needs a partner that occupies defenders so that it isn’t too easy to stop him
Club Chairman James Rodwell and Technical Director Andy Scott are interviewing a shortlist of potential candidates - some in work and some out of work - today and tomorrow, leaving Pearce focused on getting the best out of his team on Saturday.
If that training session is anything to go by Cowley is one boring man.
Miked up and being filmed and that is the best he could come up with! I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does. I really hope it is not him.
I've wanted Danny Cowley to be our manager for a long time. I will be delighted if it finally happens.
I am a big admirer of the Cowleys but I fear joining you would be a bad career move. Charlton Athletic appears to be in rather a mess. Methven and Rodwell are not men I regard highly and I'm glad neither is involved with my club anymore.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
I've wanted Danny Cowley to be our manager for a long time. I will be delighted if it finally happens.
I am a big admirer of the Cowleys but I fear joining you would be a bad career move. Charlton Athletic appears to be in rather a mess. Methven and Rodwell are not men I regard highly and I'm glad neither is involved with my club anymore.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
If that training session is anything to go by Cowley is one boring man.
Miked up and being filmed and that is the best he could come up with! I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does. I really hope it is not him.
because it would be really smart to give opposition managers something to watch before they play you
I've wanted Danny Cowley to be our manager for a long time. I will be delighted if it finally happens.
I am a big admirer of the Cowleys but I fear joining you would be a bad career move. Charlton Athletic appears to be in rather a mess. Methven and Rodwell are not men I regard highly and I'm glad neither is involved with my club anymore.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
They weren't successful at Huddersfield..
Oh yes they were. They were appointed when Huddersfield were rock bottom with one point from seven matches. Their remit was to keep the club in The Championship and this they succeeded in doing. Their reward was to be sacked a couple of days later.
I've wanted Danny Cowley to be our manager for a long time. I will be delighted if it finally happens.
I am a big admirer of the Cowleys but I fear joining you would be a bad career move. Charlton Athletic appears to be in rather a mess. Methven and Rodwell are not men I regard highly and I'm glad neither is involved with my club anymore.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
They weren't successful at Huddersfield..
Neither was powell. I'm guessing the huddersfield gig is a difficult one and they are still suffering from loss of parachute money.
If that training session is anything to go by Cowley is one boring man.
Miked up and being filmed and that is the best he could come up with! I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does. I really hope it is not him.
because it would be really smart to give opposition managers something to watch before they play you
I've wanted Danny Cowley to be our manager for a long time. I will be delighted if it finally happens.
I am a big admirer of the Cowleys but I fear joining you would be a bad career move. Charlton Athletic appears to be in rather a mess. Methven and Rodwell are not men I regard highly and I'm glad neither is involved with my club anymore.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
I’m confident that it’s not true at this point that the club have gone back to Chris Powell. If people are being briefed otherwise then they should doubt the integrity of their sources.
So your source is right everyone else's source is wrong?
I do not believe that powell is in the running, or bowyer. We will end up with Appleton or Johnson in my opinion but you do come across as very rude and abrupt sometimes
How on Earth is that rude? I’d read your post as MUCH more rude and aggressive. He’s just made a simple statement !!
I'm right you're wrong. It could have been worded better. Very dismissive of everyone else. Telling them to question their sources integrity! How high and mighty is that!
The guy comes across very rude and high and mighty in the majority of his posts and has been called out on it before. But as other posters on here have also suggested, there is a lick Rick rim culture on here!
what is wrong with "I trust my sources who are telling me different, I'm sure you trust yours, let's see how this pans out!
and I'm also making a statement. Is that not allowed because I haven't got a band of arse lickers following me on here?
You can say what you wish, but it's just tedious when you see somebody revising what somebody else has said with the deliberate objective of making themselves angry, which you clearly are!
he didn't say "my source is right everyone else's source is wrong", he didn't say "i'm right you're wrong" and didn't dismiss everyone else. his wording was nowhere near as abrupt or dismissive of that, i read it as a polite note that he has contradictory information from a source he trusts.
And I think you are getting confused about those people on here who tend to agree with / support Airman's views. Rather than arse-licking (a rude, dismissive and abrupt term, by the way?), I would suggest this is merely a reflection of the fact that a large number of Charlton supporters feel that the current owners, the previous owners, the previous owners before them, and the previous owners before them, lack integrity and/or laudable intentions and/or anything vaguely resembling the appropriate level of expertise. I didn't need his help to work this out for myself, but he also thinks this so a lot of Charlton fans I guess therefore tend to agree with a lot of his views.
+, like him or loathe him, think he's self-important/bitter of a crusader of the people, he/Varney (and Powell, more or less), are Charlton supporters which roland, sandgaard, southall, methven, rodwell the list goes on, aren't, so personally on average I'm probably more likely to give more credence to his intel than anything that comes from people who haven't been to SE London and haven't earned my trust. Blood is thicker than water.
Here's hoping one/some of them, earn my trust and respect soon, before we're staring fully at the abyss like Southend.
I believe these chancers sacked Holden (allegedly by text) with no ‘what next’ in place. For evidence we have the stupid timing first of all, then the reported (rejected) approach for Ferguson, allegedly Powell, maybe Bowyer. That is quickly followed by the ‘interviewing’ of several other people, allegedly once again. Though ‘interviews’ in football might not be of the type most of us would understand. For me those elements of the story suggest random thrashing around rather than an organisation that cares about the club, the players or the fans.
Over the months I have repeatedly suggested I want to look ‘no job title but huge influence’ Methven in the eye and get him to answer the question why he wants in at Charlton.
As for the Cowley brothers, well whether they are meh or brilliant is answered with wins and points.
I will say this about Danny Cowley, I tend to sit with visuals on the Directors box at development games played at the Valley, and I certainly remember seeing then Portsmouth manager Cowley at at least one fixture we played, so he is not above doing some scouting and checking in person…as he ought to do mind you.
He seemed to be decently regarded by the other football insiders he interacted with at those games. That suggests to me he has knowledge of players and people in the game which usually helps.
If that training session is anything to go by Cowley is one boring man.
Miked up and being filmed and that is the best he could come up with! I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does. I really hope it is not him.
because it would be really smart to give opposition managers something to watch before they play you
So what was the point of doing it then?
I guess he/his agent thought it might raise his profile. Like having cameras in the dressing room, I don’t know why you’d agree to it
I've wanted Danny Cowley to be our manager for a long time. I will be delighted if it finally happens.
I am a big admirer of the Cowleys but I fear joining you would be a bad career move. Charlton Athletic appears to be in rather a mess. Methven and Rodwell are not men I regard highly and I'm glad neither is involved with my club anymore.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
Unless something spectacular happens before 11:00 pm tomorrow we’ll be playing with a light and unbalanced squad until at least January. Whoever is considering the position as Charlton manager will have done their homework and know that. Unless there are cast iron guarantees given about future transfer funding I think we can rule out any of Powell, Bowyer, Moore, Jones and Wilder. I also wonder if managers like Richardson and Bonner would risk taking a poison job and stall their careers before they’ve really got going. That leaves Appleton and Cowley and is I suspect why our SMT have those names as definite interviewees. I’d be very surprised if our new man wasn’t one of those two.
with no league game for 2 weeks after this Saturday surely the SMT's energy should be spent on recruiting players and leave the manager recruitment until Saturday onwards.
Cowley and Appleton are panic managers. Toss of a coin type managers. Short term managers. Has to be Wilder or Bowyer.
Fancy being turned down by Ferguson FFS, how low can we go. Would be great now to get up and running and stuff Peterborough at the Valley.
I certainly agree that Appleton and Cowley are panic approaches. really nothing on the CV that yells 'this is who we need' which makes it odd why they would even be on a short list. Having read here and there statements like' nobody would want the Charlton job', those are people who would as they are unlikely to get better offers. Of other names out there who have been suggested, Richardson and Moore can both point to recent promotions, which should get them way ahead of the pack. Wlder and Nathan are also in the position of having a better CV to offer, so if Cowley or Appleton get the gig, I'm expecting a Dowie type blow out in around a month. And Ferguson? Why would he jack in a comfy job for an unstable club? And why did we need to ask a manager who is employed when there are lots who aren't? All in all, nothing adds up right now, or at leat, it doesn't add up in a way that inspires the fans.
Cowley is an off-the-shelf League One manger imo. Had had some successful in lifting small teams (Braintree, Lincoln), but struggled to make any progress with the two bigger clubs he’s had a chance with.
He’s only 44, understands this league well and I can see him having some success at lower levels again in the future, not 100% Charlton at this stage in time is the right club for him.
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We will end up with some journey man manager and the ball set rolling again.
But what steers me is this:
UNLESS there were major issues behind the scenes that are not being reported and it was closer to a dismissal rather than simply a results based change. But I'm not suggesting that is the case.
Cowley is easily as credible as the above and arguably an upgrade as he has atleast won promotions before.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/pearce-i-want-do-best-i-can-club
Club Chairman James Rodwell and Technical Director Andy Scott are interviewing a shortlist of potential candidates - some in work and some out of work - today and tomorrow, leaving Pearce focused on getting the best out of his team on Saturday.
I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does.
I really hope it is not him.
I can never understand the negativity from so many regarding the Cowleys. Few people have worked harder and longer to achieve jobs in The EFL. They have succeeded everywhere except Portsmouth. That they didn't take Pompey to the play-offs at least was a massive surprise to me.
If Danny and Nicky are appointed I'll wish them and you the best of luck but for their sakes I would rather they were going somewhere else.
Which pretty much describes what we’ve become.
Whoever we appoint it's not a great time to be inheriting a reatively weak squad with little chance to change it. The lack of experience is worrying.
that's not true
he didn't say "my source is right everyone else's source is wrong", he didn't say "i'm right you're wrong" and didn't dismiss everyone else. his wording was nowhere near as abrupt or dismissive of that, i read it as a polite note that he has contradictory information from a source he trusts.
And I think you are getting confused about those people on here who tend to agree with / support Airman's views. Rather than arse-licking (a rude, dismissive and abrupt term, by the way?), I would suggest this is merely a reflection of the fact that a large number of Charlton supporters feel that the current owners, the previous owners, the previous owners before them, and the previous owners before them, lack integrity and/or laudable intentions and/or anything vaguely resembling the appropriate level of expertise. I didn't need his help to work this out for myself, but he also thinks this so a lot of Charlton fans I guess therefore tend to agree with a lot of his views.
+, like him or loathe him, think he's self-important/bitter of a crusader of the people, he/Varney (and Powell, more or less), are Charlton supporters which roland, sandgaard, southall, methven, rodwell the list goes on, aren't, so personally on average I'm probably more likely to give more credence to his intel than anything that comes from people who haven't been to SE London and haven't earned my trust. Blood is thicker than water.
Here's hoping one/some of them, earn my trust and respect soon, before we're staring fully at the abyss like Southend.
For evidence we have the stupid timing first of all, then the reported (rejected) approach for Ferguson, allegedly Powell, maybe Bowyer. That is quickly followed by the ‘interviewing’ of several other people, allegedly once again. Though ‘interviews’ in football might not be of the type most of us would understand.
For me those elements of the story suggest random thrashing around rather than an organisation that cares about the club, the players or the fans.
Over the months I have repeatedly suggested I want to look ‘no job title but huge influence’ Methven in the eye and get him to answer the question why he wants in at Charlton.
As for the Cowley brothers, well whether they are meh or brilliant is answered with wins and points.
I will say this about Danny Cowley, I tend to sit with visuals on the Directors box at development games played at the Valley, and I certainly remember seeing then Portsmouth manager Cowley at at least one fixture we played, so he is not above doing some scouting and checking in person…as he ought to do mind you.
And Ferguson? Why would he jack in a comfy job for an unstable club? And why did we need to ask a manager who is employed when there are lots who aren't? All in all, nothing adds up right now, or at leat, it doesn't add up in a way that inspires the fans.