I think there’s been a huge overreaction to Cowley and Appleton, both have been proven to be decent League 1 managers and more importantly to me i believe are better than Holden
I think there’s been a huge overreaction to Cowley and Appleton, both have been proven to be decent League 1 managers and more importantly to me i believe are better than Holden
It isn't really anything against them personally or their careers it is more just it is a clear indicator that this new mob have little ambition and are not prepared to spend much cash IMO.
Feels like we're shopping in the League One version of the Managerial merry-go-round... The bucket list of tried and failed Managers at this level.
Would rather see how Jason Pearce does with the team, than those two
Didn't do much wrong with the U18s last season.
And see him probably flounder and ruin his association with this club and be forced to move on. He’s on the very steep learning curve of football coaching and I’m sure management will follow but as much as I have a lot of respect for Jason Pearce I really hope he’s not given consideration.
Not sure if this name has been mentioned here but what about Robert Lee. I would assume hes not interested in a managers job, but people were asking about players with Charlton connections.
Why? I thought we were only looking at managers who have got teams promoted out of league 1.
Really dull candidates. We are in cardiac arrest as a Club. A new manager needs to jolt us into life again. Bowyer or Lennon would not be on my list of guests to invite around for dinner, but they would shake it all up.
I haven't forgotten Bowyer's constant tinkering and playing players out of position. It'd be a desperate move to bring him back.
Then again, we are in a desperate position. Any manager that comes in is already playing catch up. The top managers for our level will just wait for a better option. Mid table managers like Cowley and Appleton are our level. Utterly depressing.
Because I’m almost past caring, I would find Appleton a hilarious appointment. All those old threads with his photo in them would seem like the books of prophecy in the Old Testament.
Not at all inspired by Appleton or The Cowleys. Why do we need to bring managers in who have been sacked and on the way down? Cheap bloody options again. Richardson or Bowyer for me if we cant/won't get Moore.
The vast majority of managers get sacked at some point ... for many, many reasons. Often they are then successful at a different club with different structure/culture/budget.
Seems a bit more steely and wont take the shit whereas Cowley looks like that weirdo down the pub who wants to be your mate whilst trying to sponge a pint!
Why? I thought we were only looking at managers who have got teams promoted out of league 1.
Really dull candidates. We are in cardiac arrest as a Club. A new manager needs to jolt us into life again. Bowyer or Lennon would not be on my list of guests to invite around for dinner, but they would shake it all up.
Please not Appleton or the Cowleys !! we are in deep shite and need to roll the dice. Everyone knows exactly what we will get with both of those picks, boring boring boring mid table shite
Not really sure who some people expect we can attract. The names being mentioned as actually being realistic are about as good as we’re going to get. Talk of Wilder, Moore, Warburton and Jones are pie in the sky. We have a relatively smallish pool of options to choose from. We’ve been knocked back officially by Ferguson and who knows who else. I think it’s fair to say that our results even with the lack of striker and squad depth have been worse than they should have been. Getting what we have and those returning plus whoever comes in playing to their potential and in a well organised team might give us a shot, even this season. I don’t think Cowley, Appleton or Richardson or Hudson is showing lack of ambition. It’s living in the real world. Charlton Athletic’s stock within the football community is probably as low as it’s ever been. Pep isn’t coming.
Has Appleton ever done anything at his clubs seems to have been everywhere. Good point. Why do we have this failed manager merry-go -round? Apparently Bowyer upset a few players last time. I wonder if Alex Ferguson or Brian Clough ever comitted such a sin.
Do they (people in charge) care who they appoint? Isn’t their strategy to get out after a couple of years with a new Range Rover (ULEZ compliant) each?
Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I still can't get my head round how managers can be judged in less than a year in the job however that seems to be the way nowadays. He certainly threw himself into the role and came across as a really decent bloke, results have been shocking this season however who knows how things would have gone if he'd had time to turn things round.
As with countless managers before him I think he deserves substantial mitigation given the constant circus that seems to surround our club on a permanent basis.
As for the next appointment, I'd be thrilled if it was Bowyer although cant see it happening.
The promotion season was the most enjoyable time as a fan for some years (There's been very little competition). I was gutted to see him go and none of the appointments since have done any better, although granted they all have plenty of mitigation.
Things didn't end well but there's a huge amount of re-writing history going on with fans saying he got 'lucky' with the players at his disposal. Lots of managers have decent squads and don't get promoted, every season there's about 10-12 teams you could argue have squads capable of promotion.
The fact is if you win promotion you've earnt it on merit and that team played some really good football that season. I certainly don't remember seeing that standard of play matched since he left so he was clearly a decent coach (Or clever enough to appoint decent coaches). I know some point out the later parts of Lee's time didn't go so well but was any of the football on offer even then any worse than what we have seen the last couple of seasons? Because what I've seen has largely been dross.
I know the 'I improve players' line got trotted out a lot by Lee, but the facts are that he did just that. We have a lot of players in our squad at the moment who on paper should be capable league one players who for whatever reason just aren't delivering.
He had a fantastic record of bringing players through the academy as well which again would come in handy given we appear to be relying on a number of youth players this season barring any significant movement in the transfer window.
All that said I don't see it happening. From the names I've seen suggested I think Darren Moore would be a really good shout. Always came across very articulate and already proven he can get a team out of this division. Not seen his name mentioned but Dave Challinor plays a very attractive brand of football and is a promotion specialist (Albeit at a lower level). Stockport seem very well run and very well backed financially so whether he would actually come is another question.
I'm normally glass half-full with all things Charlton but like many fans recent events have led to some real disillusionment with how things are going and I just can't shake the feeling the next appointment will be really underwhelming. Really hoping to be proved wrong.
Problem is that our expectations are so low and the SMT, along with Methven, seem to be all over the place.
It looks as if the incoming players will not be good enough to really lift our level, so the speed at which key injured players return will be more important than who we sign over the next few days.
It looks very doubtful we will get a really good manager, but like you, I hope I am wrong. Whoever comes in needs support, but it is really hard to support our club with the shit ownership at the helm.
Bowyer is not the answer.
As we do not know for certain who all the owners are, describing them as shit is a little unfair. The problem with a large consortium or a small private shareholder base is that they are not focused on the day to day, just the financial results and leave management up to those who enticed them to become shareholders in the first place. The management can act at will on the football side because the shareholders in the consortium are sufficiently distanced at this stage. They will smell a rat eventually.
As to the next manager i would not welcome Cowley since his last match in charge at Portsmouth was Holden's second in charge of us and we know the result. It wouldnt be an improvement. I suspect that Holden had an idea that Saturday was his last match and it is possible that he did not pick the squad, did not want to do a pre match interview, but did what he could to rectify the situation at half time.
Darren Moore would be my preference but is unlikely to be the preference of CM, EW or JR. It could be a Bowyer return, but I fear for a worse outcome and there are plenty worse options than Bowyer that this management team are likely to go for on the bàsis of saving a few quid.
A clamour for Bowyer and even considering Cowley or a return for Robinson makes me wonder if we deserve what we’re getting at the moment. I know expectations are set to low, but really?!
OK - my description is perhaps OTT.
I get your points , but one assumes they knew what they were buying?
If not, then it tells me that they do not care about CAFC if they did know, but have acted as planned - a major worry If they trusted Methven and his merry band - another major worry
Anyway I look at it, these are not good owners, nor a good SMT, because what we are seeing now was surely not planned ?
After Roland, the Fake Sheikh/Paul Elliott/ Mouthall and TS, I was hoping we might get someone that actually cares about the club.
I'm still not seeing anything positive and I really hope that in a few months time it is proven that I am wrong. I would be the first to apologise.
Seriously - which good manager would come to our club as it is?
I guess the owners/management need to know that managers like these would come in with almost no goodwill amongst the fanbase. They would hve to turn things around very very quickly to stop the crowd turning on them. This plus the fact that it looks like this will be another poor transfer window do not bode well at all.
Seems a bit more steely and wont take the shit whereas Cowley looks like that weirdo down the pub who wants to be your mate whilst trying to sponge a pint!
You are getting Cowley confused with Elfsborg.
Sorry mate, I can confirm I'm not being interviewed!
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We are in cardiac arrest as a Club. A new manager needs to jolt us into life again. Bowyer or Lennon would not be on my list of guests to invite around for dinner, but they would shake it all up.
It’s like we’re trying to fill the sticker book of drab second tier managers. Will just leave Steve Evans and we’ll have completed the set.
Then again, we are in a desperate position. Any manager that comes in is already playing catch up. The top managers for our level will just wait for a better option. Mid table managers like Cowley and Appleton are our level. Utterly depressing.
Isn't it funny how quickly we dropped down to that level.
Isn’t their strategy to get out after a couple of years with a new Range Rover (ULEZ compliant) each?
Can't imagine anybody half decent would want the job.
I get your points , but one assumes they knew what they were buying?
If not, then it tells me that they do not care about CAFC
if they did know, but have acted as planned - a major worry
If they trusted Methven and his merry band - another major worry
Anyway I look at it, these are not good owners, nor a good SMT, because what we are seeing now was surely not planned ?
After Roland, the Fake Sheikh/Paul Elliott/ Mouthall and TS, I was hoping we might get someone that actually cares about the club.
I'm still not seeing anything positive and I really hope that in a few months time it is proven that I am wrong. I would be the first to apologise.
Seriously - which good manager would come to our club as it is?