Well if by transparent you mean " we can see right through it" then yes it's extremely bloody transparent. Oh look! We're going after established names in League One! (Who would never be stupid enough to leave for this circus.) Oh look! We're going for a club legend who is out of work (but only on an interim, so he's not interested.) Unfortunately those didn't work so here instead is the latest no mark jobsworth who will be sacked in about 18 months tops,but we TOTALLY tried to get better, honest we did.
Next step will presumably be we get told we're contacting promising L2 coaches looking to "step up" I presume. In fact if I was being super cynical I'd say some time this week we'll get a story about how Johnny Jackson has been sounded out for a return (which won't happen.)
Get curbs in, cant see why supporters dont want him he would sort out from top to bottom he knows what is required or does that not suit our new owners ?? Roy Hodgson is managing Palace at 76 in the premiership Curbs is over 10 years younger
But Hodgson has spent the last 600 years managing teams. He's barely been out of the game at all, they couldn't even keep him retired. Curbs hasn't managed a team in 15 years, a lot has changed and he'll have to catch up with that. I don't think it would go well
He would make more improvements in a week than the candidates suggested would do in a season imo
Hard to base that on anything though given that some of the managers being suggested have had management careers shorter than the time Curbs has spent out of the job. I love Curbs as much as the next person but for all he might tighten up the defence, scratch out some draws and get two strikers working hard at the other end of the pitch I think he'd struggle with the modern footballer. He was already one for falling out with players and that was in a time when the manager usually won those struggles. We just don't know what he'd be like coming back in though and that makes it hard to justify throwing him back in to a very different game both on and off the pitch
Get curbs in, cant see why supporters dont want him he would sort out from top to bottom he knows what is required or does that not suit our new owners ?? Roy Hodgson is managing Palace at 76 in the premiership Curbs is over 10 years younger
But Hodgson has spent the last 600 years managing teams. He's barely been out of the game at all, they couldn't even keep him retired. Curbs hasn't managed a team in 15 years, a lot has changed and he'll have to catch up with that. I don't think it would go well
He would make more improvements in a week than the candidates suggested would do in a season imo
This. The number of times after a bad result Curbs would say they'll go back to basics on the training ground and then followed it up with a much more solid performance next game. Was literally a Curbs trademark.
Curbs seems extremely comfortable in the studio enjoying his life as is, would be shocked if he would want the hassle of trying to sort out the current mess at a much lower level then he is used to.
Get curbs in, cant see why supporters dont want him he would sort out from top to bottom he knows what is required or does that not suit our new owners ?? Roy Hodgson is managing Palace at 76 in the premiership Curbs is over 10 years younger
But Hodgson has spent the last 600 years managing teams. He's barely been out of the game at all, they couldn't even keep him retired. Curbs hasn't managed a team in 15 years, a lot has changed and he'll have to catch up with that. I don't think it would go well
He would make more improvements in a week than the candidates suggested would do in a season imo
Hard to base that on anything though given that some of the managers being suggested have had management careers shorter than the time Curbs has spent out of the job. I love Curbs as much as the next person but for all he might tighten up the defence, scratch out some draws and get two strikers working hard at the other end of the pitch I think he'd struggle with the modern footballer. He was already one for falling out with players and that was in a time when the manager usually won those struggles. We just don't know what he'd be like coming back in though and that makes it hard to justify throwing him back in to a very different game both on and off the pitch
Hed also get the right coaches and backroom staff in , I dont think the new owners would offer him it though because he would wipe the floor with them all
Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for us
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Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!
Not only that, when your centre backs aren’t very good I’d rather play two of them than three.
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You could set up as 442 or tinker a bit and call it 4231 if you like, with Leaburn as the 1.
But it’s the same players on the pitch.
If they're not very good then isn't that why you play 3 CB's though? As each player in theory has less space to cover and less room to make an error. And if he does make a mistake there are 2 other CB's to cover instead of 1. Basically the most obvious way to cover up the flaws is to put another body there.
I'm sure that's the reason Southgate always went with 3 at the back for England, because aside from Stones and Maguire (don't laugh) there wasn't a top level 3rd centre back. Which meant we often had to stick Walker there.
What are the odds on Pierce still manager at Christmas because 'we could not get the right man', or 'he won a game so we thought we would give him a chance to prove himself'. Then again, it will not cost the club anything as he is already on staff.
Just seen the report about Powell turning down the job.
I don't really understand it, but I will say, if Powell was looking to get back into management it might be a nice arrangement for him and someone to tide us over until we get a fulltime manager in.
That being said, he's not been a manager for a while, and while he is a lovely man, he won this division a decade ago and even at the time he wasn't the most tactically progressive manager.
I feel like we need new blood. I'm glad that Senda has gone not because he seemed like a good or bad coach, but because us hiring a manager and then sticking them with coaches coming up from the youth team needs to end. We need new ideas. I expect Hayes will be gone when the new manager comes in as well, and Pearce will go back to the youth team. As it should be. It's time to expand our horizons.
Just seen the report about Powell turning down the job.
I don't really understand it, but I will say, if Powell was looking to get back into management it might be a nice arrangement for him and someone to tide us over until we get a fulltime manager in.
That being said, he's not been a manager for a while, and while he is a lovely man, he won this division a decade ago and even at the time he wasn't the most tactically progressive manager.
I feel like we need new blood. I'm glad that Senda has gone not because he seemed like a good or bad coach, but because us hiring a manager and then sticking them with coaches coming up from the youth team needs to end. We need new ideas. I expect Hayes will be gone when the new manager comes in as well, and Pearce will go back to the youth team. As it should be. It's time to expand our horizons.
You'll be giving you're right arm for someone of Powell's stature once this shambles has come to its conclusion.
Just seen the report about Powell turning down the job.
I don't really understand it, but I will say, if Powell was looking to get back into management it might be a nice arrangement for him and someone to tide us over until we get a fulltime manager in.
That being said, he's not been a manager for a while, and while he is a lovely man, he won this division a decade ago and even at the time he wasn't the most tactically progressive manager.
I feel like we need new blood. I'm glad that Senda has gone not because he seemed like a good or bad coach, but because us hiring a manager and then sticking them with coaches coming up from the youth team needs to end. We need new ideas. I expect Hayes will be gone when the new manager comes in as well, and Pearce will go back to the youth team. As it should be. It's time to expand our horizons.
I’m sure Powell has developed tactically while working at Spurs and England. If we had hired someone who has been England coach for years and worked in the spurs academy for years then I think that would be viewed as an exciting appointment even forgetting the fact it’s Powell
Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
I believe Richardson is on the shortlist
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Who were the better options available than May?
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!
Enquiring and having a deal ready are two different things. As we found out just yesterday with Darren Ferguson. May is a good forward in this league and isn’t the problem.
You have to enquiry to be able to put a deal together! Never said May is a problem, point is Holden got who he wanted!
To be honest, we knew right from the start, they wasn't going to be spending millions and Holden wanted a small squad with academy players coming through!
As I mentioned, lets see what the appointment is, and who the two loan players are.
I’m usually dead against ever going back because I think it rarely works but out of the realistic names being bandied about my personal choice would be Karl Robinson. Vast experience at our level. Gets teams playing attractive football and I think we currently have the squad that would fit into his preferred style. Definitely has his limitations but would be a solid choice. I’ve ruled out Moore and Jones purely because I don’t think they’d entertain coming. Having said that I doubt Robinson would either.
Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, got promoted with the highest spending teams.
I believe Richardson is on the shortlist
How is that possible, if the 'Skint' brigade are to be believed?
Certain set of fans been against the group from day 1 and always going to say that.. Holden just cost 500K to sack.
Those fans, also believe Holden is blameless. For me, it is both parties, we haven't got enough players through the door, that is either because we haven't sold the club well enough, or didn't want to work with Holden.
Holden wanted a smaller squad of around 16 players, plus academy players coming through, he got his main man in May, despite better options being available to sign.
Not sure many clubs in league One have spent as much as us this year in transfer fees, loan fees or signing on fees.
Suppose the next appointment and the type of contact, will suggest if they are skint or not!
Who were the better options available than May?
Smith, Lapo, JHC, Nombe, Stansfield was all ahead of May, and we enquired about all of them before we signed May!
Enquiring and having a deal ready are two different things. As we found out just yesterday with Darren Ferguson. May is a good forward in this league and isn’t the problem.
You have to enquiry to be able to put a deal together! Never said May is a problem, point is Holden got who he wanted!
To be honest, we knew right from the start, they wasn't going to be spending millions and Holden wanted a small squad with academy players coming through!
As I mentioned, lets see what the appointment is, and who the two loan players are.
Didn’t you tell us Holden didn’t want May?!
He has already explained that was incorrect information to be fair.
It's a difficult time because we're the first club to sack their manager, and as such, interesting managers at other clubs haven't come free yet.
I would not have been thrilled by Ferguson, but we could certainly do far worse.
I'm sort of desperately looking at teams in the Championship and League One that have started slowly. I don't think Rotherham would part with Taylor, especially early on, but he would be a great get. Xisco at Sheff Wed would also be interesting, but I don't know that he'd need to drop down to League One unless he was set on managing and succeeding in England.
So back to reality:
Darren Moore: By all accounts a lovely guy. Think he did the right think being asked to be paid like a Championship manager at Sheff Wed. I just think he's probably holding out for a Championship job, and more importantly, I don't think his style fits our squad. At all.
Bowyer: Never go back. 2018/19 was great. I think Bowyer did the best he could in 19/20. But I think people forget just how bereft of ideas he was at the end of his time here. And generally, he accomplished a lot here and I think it would be a real risk to him coming back now.
Robinson: Okay, my unpopular opinion is that this is a squad that would suit Robinson's system and style of play. Would I bring him back? Only if I absolutely couldn't get anyone else. But he did pretty well at Oxford, seemed to become a little more tactically flexible.
Bonner: I'm always a little worried about giving managers who have been at one club for a while a big step up. He's definitely done well with the resources at his disposal at Cambridge. 4-2-3-1 is what I think this squad will end up playing.
Ritchie Wellens: I think this is very, very unlikely but he obviously did incredibly well with Orient last year. I like the way he wants to play football even if I think he made a poor substitution bringing off Piggot and not replacing him with a CF on opening day.
Grant McCann: Makes sense that we would move on from Ferguson to McCann.
Michael Appleton: I no longer know what type of manager Appleton is, I only know him as a meme.
Nathan Jones: I suspect he was (or should have been) humbled by his time at Soton. I don't think he was League One humbled, and I don't think a diamond suits this team.
Euell/Pearce: I doubt Pearce is in line for it. Euell seems like a decent coach but I feel like he needs a senior managerial job, and also, I feel like this club could use some fresh blood from a coaching perspective.
Steve Cotterill: Cheekbones you could set your watch by. He's been around forever, and I really struggle to remember any of his sides. That's not necessarily a knock on him, it might be more about me and my memory, but he seems to be gradually working his way down the leagues.
Danny Cowley: There was a time when he seemed quite intriguing, but things didn't end well at Hudds and didn't seem to go well at Portsmouth and I'm now quite skeptical. I think he is a cautionary tale for someone like a Bonner--making the step up and falling short.
Warburton: He did alright with QPR, but it's weird to me that he hasn't had a job since. I don't know if that was by choice.
Lee Johnson: There was a time when he was considered a bright young manager. It will be him I suspect.
It's, not an inspiring list. I really hope Rodwell has a deep rolladex with coaches who aren't his friends. I do think this could be a good job for a Championship Assistant looking to break into management (what we tried to do with Beale). Right now it just feels like there isn't a whole lot out there. I think Holden had to go, he'd hit his ceiling and he was bumping up against it. But sacking a manager is only half of the equation. Would this lot be okay to let Pearcey go 2-3 weeks to see who comes available? I doubt it given how poorly we've started, but we'll see.
I'm surprised Leam Richardson doesn't seem to be fancied by the bookies. He got Wigan promoted from L1 not long ago, so has proven success at this level (plus as assistant to Paul Cook), and been available since they sacked him a year ago, so might be "desperate" to get back into management
The reason he wasn't on my shortlist because I thought he was at Hull, but that was Liam Rossenier. So we can chalk that up to me getting old. But yes, I would think he's in with a shout, and he's the type I would expect on the shortlist (as Dubai mentioned).
What are the odds on Pierce still manager at Christmas because 'we could not get the right man', or 'he won a game so we thought we would give him a chance to prove himself'. Then again, it will not cost the club anything as he is already on staff.
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You could set up as 442 or tinker a bit and call it 4231 if you like, with Leaburn as the 1.
Next step will presumably be we get told we're contacting promising L2 coaches looking to "step up" I presume. In fact if I was being super cynical I'd say some time this week we'll get a story about how Johnny Jackson has been sounded out for a return (which won't happen.)
I'm sure that's the reason Southgate always went with 3 at the back for England, because aside from Stones and Maguire (don't laugh) there wasn't a top level 3rd centre back. Which meant we often had to stick Walker there.
Sign a 3 year contract.
Get sacked after 6 months
Walk away with 3 years wages.
Happy days.
I don't really understand it, but I will say, if Powell was looking to get back into management it might be a nice arrangement for him and someone to tide us over until we get a fulltime manager in.
That being said, he's not been a manager for a while, and while he is a lovely man, he won this division a decade ago and even at the time he wasn't the most tactically progressive manager.
I feel like we need new blood. I'm glad that Senda has gone not because he seemed like a good or bad coach, but because us hiring a manager and then sticking them with coaches coming up from the youth team needs to end. We need new ideas. I expect Hayes will be gone when the new manager comes in as well, and Pearce will go back to the youth team. As it should be. It's time to expand our horizons.