Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.
Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for us
Isted Jones Hector Thomas CBT Edun Camara Dobson Chem Leaburn May
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.
It’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451
So May up front on his own or only playing with 2 central midfielders. Great. Central midfield is the only area we are actually good with depth so not sure only playing 2 is a good idea
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all
I can't believe there are people saying no to Darren Moore?! His track record:
Nearly kept a rock bottom west brom team in the premier league after winning 3 and drawing 2 of the 6 games he was in charge for. Next season got sacked whilst in 4th place in the Championship! Look at how badly they have done since.
Had a nearly 50% win record with a terrible squad at Doncaster. Since leaving, they have been on a downhill slope.
Led Sheffield Wednesday to promotion last season.
I doubt we will get him but we're not going to get better.
Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for us
Isted Jones Hector Thomas CBT Edun Camara Dobson Chem Leaburn May
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.
It’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451
So May up front on his own or only playing with 2 central midfielders. Great. Central midfield is the only area we are actually good with depth so not sure only playing 2 is a good idea
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all
Didn't he sign one in Thomas?
What's wrong with 2 central midfielders? Anyway, 2 of the formations I suggested would be 3 central midfielders!
The rush to sack Holden is strange, either they have someone lined up or contractually maybe an extra compensation was about to cost them more after so many games etc.
They needed someone to blame in a hurry, and wanted to give the impression of a decisive, strong leadership who, how does it go? "don't do failure". Because they are American. Apparently that makes a difference.
Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for us
Isted Jones Hector Thomas CBT Edun Camara Dobson Chem Leaburn May
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.
It’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451
So May up front on his own or only playing with 2 central midfielders. Great. Central midfield is the only area we are actually good with depth so not sure only playing 2 is a good idea
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all
Didn't he sign one in Thomas?
What's wrong with 2 central midfielders? Anyway, 2 of the formations I suggested would be 3 central midfielders!
We need more than one. I think it’s clear he signed Thomas to be back up, otherwise he’d have started every game this season.
Nothing wrong with 2 central midfielders but there is a good reason 4-4-2 is not used by many good sides anymore. It’s also our strength when we have Dobson Camara and Fraser fit we’ve got one of the best midfields in the league and there’s 3 of them.
4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 are definitely options, but would not get the best out of May. He scored 20+ goals for 2 seasons in a row playing in a front 2, it seems silly to sign him and then play him on his own up front and then act surprised when he doesn’t repeat it.
For me a front 2 is crucial and then we should work back from there, so either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 would be my preferences. Our lack of full backs and good central midfield options would make me lean towards the 3-5-2
Next Manager thread turned into a what formation should we play. 🫨
Is that not an important part of who the next manager should be? We need one that fits the squad we’ve got. Th best of the options suggested so far Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, Lee Bowyer etc have all favoured 3 at the back systems in the past
I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Appleton has always been trusted by the big teams to work with their best young players on loan. So of course we will hire him after the transfer window closes!
Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.
The following players made at least one league start last season: Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season: Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.
In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
What is this insistence that Bowyer is one of the best options? Are we like an abused spouse compulsively going back for more?
You must have forgotten about his initial impact when he got us into the play offs against the odds when we were destined for a mid table finish. That's the sort of impact we need again for which Bowyer has a proven track record.
That is interesting. Interim so don’t blame him for turning it down. Hearts and minds appointment to appease the fans or genuine shot a giving a former great another go?
Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.
The following players made at least one league start last season: Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season: Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.
In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
Regardless, this thread is meant to be about potential new managers and it’s being turned into a moan about Methven and the owners being cheap again. Like every other thread it seems.
I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.
His experience that is relevant:
- Oxford: took over in 2014 as a League 2 club, got them promoted in his second season and they finished 8th in League 1 in his third and final season there.
- Lincoln: took over recently promoted club after they got promoted under Cowley. Led them to 16th, 5th and 17th in his three seasons.
- Blackpool: appointed to the Championship club after their promotion when Critchley left, sacked seven months in with Blackpool in 23rd.
Outside of that, various assistant and coaching gigs at Leicester, West Brom.
I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.
Plays attractive football but doesn’t get results.
As I said further up the thread he’s good at getting good PL loans, as due to the football he plays the Prem teams trust him to coach their youngsters. We’ve got a young squad so that would be a positive, but one look at his win rate and only having 1 promotion (Oxford 2016 2nd in League 2) having managed in the EFL for quite a while I would say it would be very underwhelming
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As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Just looking up Leam Richardson after he had been mentioned and his achievements so far as I dont know alot about him and its pretty impressive tbh
For such a young manager he has already been involved in quite a few promotions as either an assistant or manager:
Won promotion to league 1 in 2014 with Chesterfield as Assistant to Paul Cook going up as Champions
Won promotion to League 1 in 2017 with Portsmouth as Assistant Manager to Paul Cook
Won promotion to the Championship in 2018 with Wigan as Assistant Manager to Paul Cook
Won promotion to the Championship in 2022 with Wigan as Manager going up as champions
Clearly he must know what it takes and has experience of promotions i would be more than happy to see him come in now tbf
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all
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What's wrong with 2 central midfielders? Anyway, 2 of the formations I suggested would be 3 central midfielders!
Nothing wrong with 2 central midfielders but there is a good reason 4-4-2 is not used by many good sides anymore. It’s also our strength when we have Dobson Camara and Fraser fit we’ve got one of the best midfields in the league and there’s 3 of them.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
Interim so don’t blame him for turning it down. Hearts and minds appointment to appease the fans or genuine shot a giving a former great another go?
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.
Which says a lot about Mr Scott imho.
- Oxford: took over in 2014 as a League 2 club, got them promoted in his second season and they finished 8th in League 1 in his third and final season there.
- Lincoln: took over recently promoted club after they got promoted under Cowley. Led them to 16th, 5th and 17th in his three seasons.
- Blackpool: appointed to the Championship club after their promotion when Critchley left, sacked seven months in with Blackpool in 23rd.
Outside of that, various assistant and coaching gigs at Leicester, West Brom.