Gonna explain this one? Maybe don't, actually. It's clear you only watch Charlton so you can pick one of the players to slag off afterwards. 2 is a mark you give when someone's pissed about, been completely incapable of doing anything they're supposed to, probably given a goal away and gotten sent off or something. Not for someone who generally kept driving us on down the flank, mostly defended well and whose urgency and clever last-minute throw helped us win a penalty. But I know how scapegoating works by now, and I will never, ever let its perpetrators rest
Agreed. Funny thing about Maatsen is he isn’t as good as we thought he was going to be, has very poor pass completion, but equally surprisingly, he really gives 100% to the cause. I remember against Blackpool, when all was lost, in one occasion he pressed their right back, then their two CBS and then their left back when all the other players’ heads had dropped. Set a really good example. I’ve warmed to him as a result.
The big test, can we keep a clean sheet at the Valley Tuesday. Would take a 0-0 now after they tonked Portsmouth today.
Yep a point will be amazing against a team who with their second win on the bounce have just climbed out of the relegation zone having not won in their previous 12 games .
Great point today against an Oxford side who’ve now managed 1 goal in 6 games
I am not sure how closely you have been following our fortunes at home, but a clean sheet at home would represent a huge step forward.
Aim low and you won’t miss we have an outside chance of the play offs a 0-0 won’t help us achieve that we have to win , which we will if Watson is there to hold the defence together and help in getting more clean sheets
I always thought that the playoffs were a stretch, but our recent record at home is appalling. Watson has been good in the last two games, and IMO is better than Pratley in defending the back four. Famewo has had a significant influence on our last results and we look far more secure at the back since his return. But for whatever reason we have shipped a shed load at home. Steadying that ship will identify if we are going to be a contender.
I agree with Watson. The green shoots showed last Tuesday, Pearce is an old school warhorse, and leader, but he does have mistakes in him. Aki is young, full of energy, and learning, also with a mistake in him, but is developing those out. Watson is a tidier, more cultured player, who reads these situations and covers better than Pratley. As I say you could see an understanding developing between these three last week, and that continued yesterday. We actually started to look like a team again. Pratley for all his enthusiasm, is wayward with his passing and petulant in his tackling which has caused us problems.
Pratley isn't a sitting midfielder.
On the negative side it's because he doesn't have the positional discipline, but flipping it, it's also a slight waste of his engine, as he's still very mobile and can get up and down the pitch effectively
Gonna explain this one? Maybe don't, actually. It's clear you only watch Charlton so you can pick one of the players to slag off afterwards. 2 is a mark you give when someone's pissed about, been completely incapable of doing anything they're supposed to, probably given a goal away and gotten sent off or something. Not for someone who generally kept driving us on down the flank, mostly defended well and whose urgency and clever last-minute throw helped us win a penalty. But I know how scapegoating works by now, and I will never, ever let its perpetrators rest
More baffling is how he's given Millar a 7. He was absolutely toilet yesterday.
Football has become steadily less entertaining since I first watched in the 50s.The gradual influx of coaches,tactics formations etc .has taken the impulsiveness away from the game.Long gone are the days the manager gave out the shirts 2-11 "there you go boys,have a good game,just watch out for so and so,keep an eye on him,dont let him turn you in the box,good luck.Not a blackboard or tactics meeting in sight.We now have "managers ways of playing their unique ideas,"(They all look the same to me).Yesterday you would have had both managers probably spending hours observing videos of the opposition,analysing every player on the other,working on how to stop so and so etc.(and that is in the 3rd division).Watching some of the premier league is sleep inducing,and an insult to the entertainment industry(certain teams exempt).But what do supporters want,yes to have their team winning,but do you want a 0-0 away to a decent team or go for it and lose 3-2.and be royally entertained.It would be great to say how many goals the oppo get we will get more,but will not happen,so for me digging out results at this particular time is most important.Now I dont know what the fitness situation is but to me Peirce Famewo and Watson must be the 1st 3 name on the sheet next game.
Absolutely agree. Many of the Premier League games I see on Sky are like watching paint dry.
Lots of negativity around at the moment. I think most people would have took a draw before the game. In typical Cafc fashion the next 3 games are crucial lol. 9 points from those and we will be back in the race. The important bit of this season is our run in if we can hit some form with playing all the top teams we can take points from them and play offs are well within site
Gonna explain this one? Maybe don't, actually. It's clear you only watch Charlton so you can pick one of the players to slag off afterwards. 2 is a mark you give when someone's pissed about, been completely incapable of doing anything they're supposed to, probably given a goal away and gotten sent off or something. Not for someone who generally kept driving us on down the flank, mostly defended well and whose urgency and clever last-minute throw helped us win a penalty. But I know how scapegoating works by now, and I will never, ever let its perpetrators rest
Agreed. Funny thing about Maatsen is he isn’t as good as we thought he was going to be, has very poor pass completion, but equally surprisingly, he really gives 100% to the cause. I remember against Blackpool, when all was lost, in one occasion he pressed their right back, then their two CBS and then their left back when all the other players’ heads had dropped. Set a really good example. I’ve warmed to him as a result.
This is a fair point.
On the match thread I questioned what he offered the team since his bright start, pointing out that I’ve been unimpressed with him in defence, attack and his distribution.
But you’re right, he does give his all. And as a fan base, Charlton fans have always appreciated that. It’s just a shame he doesn’t seem to be quite the player we initially thought he was.
Bloody hell. I'd almost forgotten a little bit what an absolute wind bag Robinson is. He permanently talks shite and always has (at least Bowyer only did it for 3 months).
Gonna explain this one? Maybe don't, actually. It's clear you only watch Charlton so you can pick one of the players to slag off afterwards. 2 is a mark you give when someone's pissed about, been completely incapable of doing anything they're supposed to, probably given a goal away and gotten sent off or something. Not for someone who generally kept driving us on down the flank, mostly defended well and whose urgency and clever last-minute throw helped us win a penalty. But I know how scapegoating works by now, and I will never, ever let its perpetrators rest
Agreed. Funny thing about Maatsen is he isn’t as good as we thought he was going to be, has very poor pass completion, but equally surprisingly, he really gives 100% to the cause. I remember against Blackpool, when all was lost, in one occasion he pressed their right back, then their two CBS and then their left back when all the other players’ heads had dropped. Set a really good example. I’ve warmed to him as a result.
This is a fair point.
On the match thread I questioned what he offered the team since his bright start, pointing out that I’ve been unimpressed with him in defence, attack and his distribution.
But you’re right, he does give his all. And as a fan base, Charlton fans have always appreciated that. It’s just a shame he doesn’t seem to be quite the player we initially thought he was.
Been a massive swing on this forum to people simply accepting we're a mid table League One side. You'll have to forgive me and the few others who still think we should be aiming for higher.
I thought we would be mid table at best with our side in October, I thought we had a reasonable Jan window and with a bit of luck we could get in the top six and would be safe. Nothing changed for me. Top six would be a tremendous season.
Gutted to see the rules were changed without me knowing. Somewhat harsh to be relegated if you don't make the top 6
People complaining about how boring we were today should get a life. Finally, 2 clean sheets and 2 decent performances. Or would you rather that we go out all guns blazing and concede a goal or two! But, it’s an exciting game right?! Too much of that this season. I’d much rather it be like it was today and last Tuesday where we played as a team and ground out a result. The old fashioned way! And that’s why Bowyer has been pleased after the last couple of games. We could have won and that would have been a classic away smash and grab. But, you can’t blame Ronnie. He hit it well and the goalie made a great save. And, I think he’s an experienced enough pro to not have his world falling apart now as others have said. Finally, contrary to what others have said, I enjoyed that game. Much better than playing loosely and then have to play catch up which we’ve had to do so much this season. Tuesday’s selection will be interesting. Some players were blowing today, notably Famewo and Pearce, so I can’t see us starting with the same side for the third game on the trot.
But were they decent performances?
Last Tuesday, for most of that second half we were outplayed and under heavy pressure from a team that is now bottom of the table. OK Wigan didn't have many clear cut chances (in fact, did they have any real clear cut ones?) but the ball was flying around our penalty area, Wigan have had a number of corners and we've struggled to get and hold onto the ball for much of that half. If Wigan had had any decent strikers we would have lost.
Today I've watched the game and was bored silly by a lot of it. Did we have a shot in the first half? I don't remember one. And for much of the game today we've played terrible football, with little control, unable to retain the ball or with scarce threat to the Oxford goal.
True, four points have stopped the rot but the performances overall leave a lot to be desired in my opinion.
Agreed, no way could the last 2 games be considered 2 decent performances. Today was an awful spectacle really, against opponents struggling themselves, and with several players out through injury. We've looked like a bang ordinary midtable side in recent weeks, is that good enough?
I thought they were decent in comparison to the previous 3 months. If we've gone from relegation performances and results to mid table that is definitely an improvement. Back to basics and build from there (although the main building starts in the summer).
If we had been offered 4 points and 2 clean sheets before these two away games we would have taken it, so not unhappy. Others around us appear to be doing their best at keeping our hopes alive and remarkably, 6th is still a distinct possibility with a few back to back wins and momentum building.
Defence was solid, midfield set up a bit more defensively minded and as a result attack limited to a few chances.
Ronnie was unlucky, but I felt all three points would have been totally unfair on Oxford. That had 0-0 written all over the game and the point is one earned ahead of the next game.
Lee may need to tinker as a few looked a bit shot (why this is a thing in today’s game versus not being in yesteryear I do not know), but I fancy us for Tuesday now and just sense the tide is turning. I hope I am right. Up the Addicks!
Been a massive swing on this forum to people simply accepting we're a mid table League One side. You'll have to forgive me and the few others who still think we should be aiming for higher.
I’m with u Croydon but the ship has sailed now this year so the silver lining is we should be in line for a good go at it next year and we will be in the stadium to see it - if we’d gone up this year, chances are we would be in for a grind out season next year at best - relax / the good tunes will come I’m sure
What would you prefer?, going up and grinding, or staying down with no certainty we are going to be in the mix? I think the team have let it slip unnecessarily this season, we’ve been shocking for a while and yet not a million miles out of contention. Just frustrating really.
i'd sooner go up but am looking at the potential silver lining - i think we need to replace bowyer asap and let a proven manager come in and oversee a re build
Who would you suggest as a proven manager.
Don’t know - not my job to know - but somebody with a track record of getting out of league 1 on at least 2 occasions
Gonna explain this one? Maybe don't, actually. It's clear you only watch Charlton so you can pick one of the players to slag off afterwards. 2 is a mark you give when someone's pissed about, been completely incapable of doing anything they're supposed to, probably given a goal away and gotten sent off or something. Not for someone who generally kept driving us on down the flank, mostly defended well and whose urgency and clever last-minute throw helped us win a penalty. But I know how scapegoating works by now, and I will never, ever let its perpetrators rest
Agreed. Funny thing about Maatsen is he isn’t as good as we thought he was going to be, has very poor pass completion, but equally surprisingly, he really gives 100% to the cause. I remember against Blackpool, when all was lost, in one occasion he pressed their right back, then their two CBS and then their left back when all the other players’ heads had dropped. Set a really good example. I’ve warmed to him as a result.
Show pony closing down that was - we had a bloke in our team who find f all all match then ran his bollox off for last 5 mins so manager would big him up in changing room / Maatsen is a classic modern full back / more interested in going forwards than defending
Football has become steadily less entertaining since I first watched in the 50s.The gradual influx of coaches,tactics formations etc .has taken the impulsiveness away from the game.Long gone are the days the manager gave out the shirts 2-11 "there you go boys,have a good game,just watch out for so and so,keep an eye on him,dont let him turn you in the box,good luck.Not a blackboard or tactics meeting in sight.We now have "managers ways of playing their unique ideas,"(They all look the same to me).Yesterday you would have had both managers probably spending hours observing videos of the opposition,analysing every player on the other,working on how to stop so and so etc.(and that is in the 3rd division).Watching some of the premier league is sleep inducing,and an insult to the entertainment industry(certain teams exempt).But what do supporters want,yes to have their team winning,but do you want a 0-0 away to a decent team or go for it and lose 3-2.and be royally entertained.It would be great to say how many goals the oppo get we will get more,but will not happen,so for me digging out results at this particular time is most important.Now I dont know what the fitness situation is but to me Peirce Famewo and Watson must be the 1st 3 name on the sheet next game.
Absolutely agree. Many of the Premier League games I see on Sky are like watching paint dry.
And me - over tactical, coached robots - I prefer watching my boys play
I'm afraid I've very little patience with missed penalties. I can remember how big the goal always looked to me when standing on the penalty spot. I don't see how any missed penalty is "a good penalty", sorry.
Football has become steadily less entertaining since I first watched in the 50s.The gradual influx of coaches,tactics formations etc .has taken the impulsiveness away from the game.Long gone are the days the manager gave out the shirts 2-11 "there you go boys,have a good game,just watch out for so and so,keep an eye on him,dont let him turn you in the box,good luck.Not a blackboard or tactics meeting in sight.We now have "managers ways of playing their unique ideas,"(They all look the same to me).Yesterday you would have had both managers probably spending hours observing videos of the opposition,analysing every player on the other,working on how to stop so and so etc.(and that is in the 3rd division).Watching some of the premier league is sleep inducing,and an insult to the entertainment industry(certain teams exempt).But what do supporters want,yes to have their team winning,but do you want a 0-0 away to a decent team or go for it and lose 3-2.and be royally entertained.It would be great to say how many goals the oppo get we will get more,but will not happen,so for me digging out results at this particular time is most important.Now I dont know what the fitness situation is but to me Peirce Famewo and Watson must be the 1st 3 name on the sheet next game.
Absolutely agree. Many of the Premier League games I see on Sky are like watching paint dry.
Especially when the only action is the screaming and rolling around on the floor after getting breathed on. Taken the place of Pantomime. It is getting pathetic.
Football has become steadily less entertaining since I first watched in the 50s.The gradual influx of coaches,tactics formations etc .has taken the impulsiveness away from the game.Long gone are the days the manager gave out the shirts 2-11 "there you go boys,have a good game,just watch out for so and so,keep an eye on him,dont let him turn you in the box,good luck.Not a blackboard or tactics meeting in sight.We now have "managers ways of playing their unique ideas,"(They all look the same to me).Yesterday you would have had both managers probably spending hours observing videos of the opposition,analysing every player on the other,working on how to stop so and so etc.(and that is in the 3rd division).Watching some of the premier league is sleep inducing,and an insult to the entertainment industry(certain teams exempt).But what do supporters want,yes to have their team winning,but do you want a 0-0 away to a decent team or go for it and lose 3-2.and be royally entertained.It would be great to say how many goals the oppo get we will get more,but will not happen,so for me digging out results at this particular time is most important.Now I dont know what the fitness situation is but to me Peirce Famewo and Watson must be the 1st 3 name on the sheet next game.
Absolutely agree. Many of the Premier League games I see on Sky are like watching paint dry.
Especially when the only action is the screaming and rolling around on the floor after getting breathed on. Taken the place of Pantomime. It is getting pathetic.
Did you see the end of MotD when all the presenters were rolling around screaming?
Football has become steadily less entertaining since I first watched in the 50s.The gradual influx of coaches,tactics formations etc .has taken the impulsiveness away from the game.Long gone are the days the manager gave out the shirts 2-11 "there you go boys,have a good game,just watch out for so and so,keep an eye on him,dont let him turn you in the box,good luck.Not a blackboard or tactics meeting in sight.We now have "managers ways of playing their unique ideas,"(They all look the same to me).Yesterday you would have had both managers probably spending hours observing videos of the opposition,analysing every player on the other,working on how to stop so and so etc.(and that is in the 3rd division).Watching some of the premier league is sleep inducing,and an insult to the entertainment industry(certain teams exempt).But what do supporters want,yes to have their team winning,but do you want a 0-0 away to a decent team or go for it and lose 3-2.and be royally entertained.It would be great to say how many goals the oppo get we will get more,but will not happen,so for me digging out results at this particular time is most important.Now I dont know what the fitness situation is but to me Peirce Famewo and Watson must be the 1st 3 name on the sheet next game.
Absolutely agree. Many of the Premier League games I see on Sky are like watching paint dry.
Especially when the only action is the screaming and rolling around on the floor after getting breathed on. Taken the place of Pantomime. It is getting pathetic.
Did you see the end of MotD when all the presenters were rolling around screaming?
I'm afraid I've very little patience with missed penalties. I can remember how big the goal always looked to me when standing on the penalty spot. I don't see how any missed penalty is "a good penalty", sorry.
Goal always looks big when you're in the 18 yard box
Anyway according to stats, there is a difference between missed and saved:
Ronnie's PK was hit hard probably around the 75%, but he was in that just under 1 in 5 penalties saved.
We all know that there is a big mental aspect to a penalty. I recall being in a penalty shoot out in my younger days to reach a cup final. I knew the opposition keeper wasn't that mobile but my brain was telling me to go for power. I could have passed it either side of him and scored.
I knew this but didn't do it and hit it straight and so hard he couldn't have got out of the way of it if he wanted to. We went on to lose the tie. I can give no other reason than the pressure of the situation got to me and made me do something I knew was wrong.
You see strikers who are great finishers when they don't have time to think but are poor when they do. I suppose a penalty is an easy chance where you have bags of time to think.
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On the negative side it's because he doesn't have the positional discipline, but flipping it, it's also a slight waste of his engine, as he's still very mobile and can get up and down the pitch effectively
He permanently talks shite and always has (at least Bowyer only did it for 3 months).
Somewhat harsh to be relegated if you don't make the top 6
If we've gone from relegation performances and results to mid table that is definitely an improvement.
Back to basics and build from there (although the main building starts in the summer).
- we had a bloke in our team who find f all all match then ran his bollox off for last 5 mins so manager would big him up in changing room / Maatsen is a classic modern full back / more interested in going forwards than defending
Especially when the only action is the screaming and rolling around on the floor after getting breathed on. Taken the place of Pantomime. It is getting pathetic.
No but I would have laughed, too.
Anyway according to stats, there is a difference between missed and saved:
Ronnie's PK was hit hard probably around the 75%, but he was in that just under 1 in 5 penalties saved.
I knew this but didn't do it and hit it straight and so hard he couldn't have got out of the way of it if he wanted to. We went on to lose the tie. I can give no other reason than the pressure of the situation got to me and made me do something I knew was wrong.
You see strikers who are great finishers when they don't have time to think but are poor when they do. I suppose a penalty is an easy chance where you have bags of time to think.