Boring game. Tighter at the back, less effective going forward. Not quite good enough to consistently do both sides well. Said in the match thread I just knew Schwartz would miss that penalty.
At least the players were working hard, we were getting blocks in which we weren’t in the last few before Tuesday’s game.
Maybe we’re not a badly underperforming playoff team? We’re looking more and more like a mid table side.
It’s looking like some players are simply performing at their level and good runs of form were partly due to opponents not knowing as much about them. Some of this squad would thrive in a stronger side, but I think a fair few would look like weak links.
Will be interesting to see how TS reacts if we do finish mid table - does he back Bowyer to rebuild or bring in a new manager. It’s a gamble either way.
I’m expecting us to continue getting enough results to keep Bowyer in his job but to be nothing more than a top half side. Would be great to be proven wrong but if this team somehow sneaked up it would struggle badly in the Championship.
I’m looking forward to the summer rebuild more than Tuesday’s game.
A 2nd clean sheet, but not much of a game to be fair. For me a draw was the fair result. As for the penalty, it was perhaps a bit 'soft' when it was given, but RS hit it well and the keeper pulled off a great save which he is paid to do! If Amos had saved that we would be saying what a 'fantastic' save it was, so lets at least give some credit where credit is due. 4 of the next 5 games are at home with the away one at AFC Wimbledon....we've just collected 4 points out of 6, now we need to collect at least 12 out of 15 and then see where that takes us. LB needs to get our away form replicated at home. For me the main thing is we have stopped, finally, conceding goals, now we need to build on that. Roll on Tuesday!
Must be so frustrating as a defender, worked so hard almost constantly for 90 mins due to your midfield and forwards not being able to hold on to the ball. Get a penalty in the last minute and your striker cant put it away. At least we seem to have stopped conceding as many
I'm far from Bowyer's greatest fan but credit where credit is due, that was a much better interview and good to see him supportive of Schwartz (at least in public)
Would love to see him help his confidence by starting him Tuesday
Agree with the thinking but we really need to get a settled team/formation/style
Yeah have to agree with that, unfortunately going to be a few forced changes already though I bet
Matthews for starters, and wont be surprised to see Famewo and potentially Maatsen after they both got knocks
Be frustrating if so as its almost the whole defence that has to be changed again
Schwartz may well have been be the best penalty taker on the pitch at that time, but he had an added pressure on top of the game situation. Yes he hit it hard but it was at a perfect height. Sorry, it was a poor penalty.
Having said that, anybody can miss a penalty and when it is missed a player that didn't take it would have been a better bet. Also, I don't think the camera backed up it being a penalty or not being one. My money was Stockley turned the defender and got caught given the position of the ref to see it.
Looking at our upcoming games, that would have been a massive three points.
Well, last week I said I had stopped being bothered by it anymore. So, all I can really add, is the entire team and Bowyer look about as bothered as I am. An on the bothered scale it’s pretty low.....
Schwartz getting slated week in week out is getting silly.
Just imagine if it was Bogle who had had put in similar performances week in week out....
Bogle's playing style was advertised as being similar to Aneke.
Schwartz has always been an off the defenders shoulder player. No one has tried to paint him differently.
What do you mean by that? What type of striker they are has absolutely nothing to do with my original point - but in a way backs it up.
The fact of the matter is we had two under performaning strikers yet some of the abuse aimed at one, whilst the quickness to defend the others by fans was and is disproportionate.
How much play time was Bogle given?
Him much play time has Schwartz had? He is being played as an impact player for 10-15 mins per game, despite him not being an impact player. He needs opportunities something Bogle had and wasted in bundles.
I admit Schwartz needs to do more, but people slating him for taking a good penalty that was well saved is simply toxic.
There's a good player there, we just need to play to his strengths.
We played to Bogles and he still did less than he should have, but if you look back I supported him more than most.
I'm not about shitting on our players at every opportunity. I also didn't think Bowyer was doing well enough, but am still giving him time, despite feeling my gut is right about him.
Midfield and attackers not getting the ball down and playing as a unit,all a bit disjointed. Boring game really, unlucky Schwartz not happening for him at the moment.Would of been daylight robbery, not that I’d have complained. Hate to say but we aren’t quite good enough all round to jump up the table the way we need. Hope I’m wrong.
Word of wisdom from the lady of the house when i said we missed the penalty was priceless "Oh dear what a shame, at least you didn't lose", sorry lifers but had to tell you all, hope that makes you feel a bit better
Word of wisdom from the lady of the house when i said we missed the penalty was priceless "Oh dear what a shame, at least you didn't lose", sorry lifers but had to tell you all, hope that makes you feel a bit better
She could have said worse... Still remember when Benson scored to make it 4-3 @ Carlisle
I was only watching on Soccer Saturday yet one of my mates was over who isnt into Football, he turned to me as I celebrated saying "Calm down, its only a game", this was when I was a lot less calmer about the game of course.
Thankfully the authorities still havent found his body!!
Didn't think it was as dreadful a game as some people are saying. Actually one of our more solid performances recently, cut out a lot of the defensive mistakes and much more pressure off the ball in midfield to reduce their opportunities. the frustration obviously was going forward. Millar is clearly a talented kid, but his decision-making and execution was awful today. Washington always works hard and does a lot of running, but he couldn't really get on the ball and never looked like scoring. Aneke in a wider position struggled to get in the game, though had a couple of good moments. Don't know what to say about the penalty really, decent save from the keeper, but... you really have to take those chances.
Think our promotion chances faded weeks ago tbh, so not too upset about the result. Back to back clean sheets is a positive, but would like to see us creating more up front...
At least the players looked up for it and put in a lot of effort if not a lot of quality. Can’t say anyone had a decent game although Stockley made a difference second half. Pearce lucky not to be booked on a number of occasions. Thought it was a definite penalty and wondered who would take it with no Washington. AT least Schwartz had the bottle to take it and struck it well but at a decent height & place for the keeper that made a good save. Think he only touched the ball once before taking the pen. Three points today may have just kept the play off hopes alive but can’t see it now and we probably don’t deserve too either.
Crap game of football but 4 points from 2 games, two consecutive clean sheets, shame we didn’t score from the undeserved penalty but he hit it well and the keeper saved it
Schwartz getting slated week in week out is getting silly.
Just imagine if it was Bogle who had had put in similar performances week in week out....
Bogle's playing style was advertised as being similar to Aneke.
Schwartz has always been an off the defenders shoulder player. No one has tried to paint him differently.
What do you mean by that? What type of striker they are has absolutely nothing to do with my original point - but in a way backs it up.
The fact of the matter is we had two under performaning strikers yet some of the abuse aimed at one, whilst the quickness to defend the others by fans was and is disproportionate.
How much play time was Bogle given?
Him much play time has Schwartz had? He is being played as an impact player for 10-15 mins per game, despite him not being an impact player. He needs opportunities something Bogle had and wasted in bundles.
I admit Schwartz needs to do more, but people slating him for taking a good penalty that was well saved is simply toxic.
There's a good player there, we just need to play to his strengths.
We played to Bogles and he still did less than he should have, but if you look back I supported him more than most.
I'm not about shitting on our players at every opportunity. I also didn't think Bowyer was doing well enough, but am still giving him time, despite feeling my gut is right about him.
It's not 'toxic'. And it's frustrating that that's the second time in recent days that someone on this forum has referred to people having emotionally driven different opinions about something as being toxic.
Seems far to easy for people to just throw out toxic as a saying when they don't like what is going on or being said.
And totally fair enough that you support both sets of players. I know that's exactly the sort of poster you are, so aiming my annoyance at what I see as double standards by some at you, is not warranted.
I'm far from Bowyer's greatest fan but credit where credit is due, that was a much better interview and good to see him supportive of Schwartz (at least in public)
So much better. Proper defence. If chuks had stayed on without a yellow card then who knows. At least he will play on Tuesday. Feel sorry for Schwartz. Back four very good. Smith good also. Take the point and move on to Tuesday. Feels better today than the relief I felt on Tuesday. It’s starting to be enjoyable again.
Please, please, please, can we see Aneke and Stockley together on Tuesday. This is League One and a physicality overload could be very productive. Especially as both players have much more to their game as well.
Schwartz should never have taken that penalty , he is devoid of confidence. We were slightly better of two average sides . Please start Aneke and Stockley on Tuesday .
Schwartz getting slated week in week out is getting silly.
Just imagine if it was Bogle who had had put in similar performances week in week out....
Bogle's playing style was advertised as being similar to Aneke.
Schwartz has always been an off the defenders shoulder player. No one has tried to paint him differently.
What do you mean by that? What type of striker they are has absolutely nothing to do with my original point - but in a way backs it up.
The fact of the matter is we had two under performaning strikers yet some of the abuse aimed at one, whilst the quickness to defend the others by fans was and is disproportionate.
How much play time was Bogle given?
Him much play time has Schwartz had? He is being played as an impact player for 10-15 mins per game, despite him not being an impact player. He needs opportunities something Bogle had and wasted in bundles.
I admit Schwartz needs to do more, but people slating him for taking a good penalty that was well saved is simply toxic.
There's a good player there, we just need to play to his strengths.
We played to Bogles and he still did less than he should have, but if you look back I supported him more than most.
I'm not about shitting on our players at every opportunity. I also didn't think Bowyer was doing well enough, but am still giving him time, despite feeling my gut is right about him.
We didn't play to Bogle's strengths either. Just because he has the build of a target man doesn't mean he is.
Schwartz getting slated week in week out is getting silly.
Just imagine if it was Bogle who had had put in similar performances week in week out....
Bogle's playing style was advertised as being similar to Aneke.
Schwartz has always been an off the defenders shoulder player. No one has tried to paint him differently.
What do you mean by that? What type of striker they are has absolutely nothing to do with my original point - but in a way backs it up.
The fact of the matter is we had two under performaning strikers yet some of the abuse aimed at one, whilst the quickness to defend the others by fans was and is disproportionate.
How much play time was Bogle given?
Him much play time has Schwartz had? He is being played as an impact player for 10-15 mins per game, despite him not being an impact player. He needs opportunities something Bogle had and wasted in bundles.
I admit Schwartz needs to do more, but people slating him for taking a good penalty that was well saved is simply toxic.
There's a good player there, we just need to play to his strengths.
We played to Bogles and he still did less than he should have, but if you look back I supported him more than most.
I'm not about shitting on our players at every opportunity. I also didn't think Bowyer was doing well enough, but am still giving him time, despite feeling my gut is right about him.
I would love Schwartz to do well, but if having a free shot from 12 yards isn't playing to a striker's strengths I dunno what is
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At least the players were working hard, we were getting blocks in which we weren’t in the last few before Tuesday’s game.
Maybe we’re not a badly underperforming playoff team? We’re looking more and more like a mid table side.
It’s looking like some players are simply performing at their level and good runs of form were partly due to opponents not knowing as much about them. Some of this squad would thrive in a stronger side, but I think a fair few would look like weak links.
I’m expecting us to continue getting enough results to keep Bowyer in his job but to be nothing more than a top half side. Would be great to be proven wrong but if this team somehow sneaked up it would struggle badly in the Championship.
I’m looking forward to the summer rebuild more than Tuesday’s game.
4 of the next 5 games are at home with the away one at AFC Wimbledon....we've just collected 4 points out of 6, now we need to collect at least 12 out of 15 and then see where that takes us. LB needs to get our away form replicated at home. For me the main thing is we have stopped, finally, conceding goals, now we need to build on that. Roll on Tuesday!
All in all, it was a good point and the Pearce/Famewo partnership looks good.
Matthews for starters, and wont be surprised to see Famewo and potentially Maatsen after they both got knocks
Be frustrating if so as its almost the whole defence that has to be changed again
Having said that, anybody can miss a penalty and when it is missed a player that didn't take it would have been a better bet. Also, I don't think the camera backed up it being a penalty or not being one. My money was Stockley turned the defender and got caught given the position of the ref to see it.
Looking at our upcoming games, that would have been a massive three points.
Him much play time has Schwartz had? He is being played as an impact player for 10-15 mins per game, despite him not being an impact player. He needs opportunities something Bogle had and wasted in bundles.
I admit Schwartz needs to do more, but people slating him for taking a good penalty that was well saved is simply toxic.
There's a good player there, we just need to play to his strengths.
We played to Bogles and he still did less than he should have, but if you look back I supported him more than most.
I'm not about shitting on our players at every opportunity. I also didn't think Bowyer was doing well enough, but am still giving him time, despite feeling my gut is right about him.
A decent centre forward must score!
As I say, I think it's a decent point gained
"Oh dear what a shame, at least you didn't lose", sorry lifers but had to tell you all, hope that
makes you feel a bit better
Roll on Tuesday.
I was only watching on Soccer Saturday yet one of my mates was over who isnt into Football, he turned to me as I celebrated saying "Calm down, its only a game", this was when I was a lot less calmer about the game of course.
Thankfully the authorities still havent found his body!!
Seems far to easy for people to just throw out toxic as a saying when they don't like what is going on or being said.
And totally fair enough that you support both sets of players. I know that's exactly the sort of poster you are, so aiming my annoyance at what I see as double standards by some at you, is not warranted.
I would love Schwartz to do well, but if having a free shot from 12 yards isn't playing to a striker's strengths I dunno what is