[cite]Posted By: stop shouting[/cite]I said to my mates before the game that anyone who's starts a new job need's to be given time and allowances made for fuck ups. I stick by that, despite what I watched today. Got to give him time to learn. I will add that I thought his appointment was ill advised.
Those harking back to the golden days of Parky; I assume in hindsight you had no problem with his truly shocking start as our manager because in your view he turned out ok in the end.
Yet you are not prepared to offer Powell* some leeway under the same circumstances results wise.
* who also didn't have the luxury of 2 years or whatever Parky had under Pardew to get to know the squad and its capabilities.
I would say its not working as the results are showing and its time to change again. It was time to change Parky but we have replaced him with the wrong manager and now need to get the right one in
Something to bear in mind about today is that two of Powell's substitutions, Fortune and Solly, were almost certainly injury enforced rather than tactical.
That doesn't give him a lot of scope to change it tactically.
It's Brothers Grimm at the moment for sure but Powell needs time.
So when Parky lost his first eight games in charge and we didn't win for about 18 games it wasn't his fault because Pardew had left him with a crap squad. So what is the difference now then?
CP has been left with as ineffective a midfield as I can remember. McCormack is the worst player I have ever seen in a Charlton shirt. Is that CP's fault? He signed a three and a half year contract for a reason, because there is a long time job to do. Let's give him that time to do his job. Let's give him the summer to bring in HIS players, players who are good enough and can buy into what he is trying to achieve. This time next season is when we can start judging him. Poyet took over Brighton half way through last season, they escaped relegation, he brought in HIS players and the rest is history.
Yes CP is making mistakes but hopefully he is learning fast from them. At last he's seen the light and Francis is third choice right back. Maybe McOxo will soon follow. I'm surprised he didn't start Parrett but I'm sure there was a good reason. I also feel for Eccleston as he should be in the team. Give CP this season to assess his squad, clear out the deadwood and then launch a proper assault next season, a sustainable one.
Parkinson was a good manager. He had almost no money and did fine.
As for Chris Powell. judge him at the end of the season. There is no point putting even more pressure on him. The biggest concern I had with Chris Powell's appointment is that we have no idea whether he's good in the transfer market or not. Some people can coach (Peter Taylor for example) but not be a able to spot talent.
Have been on the sauce all day and not at the game, so bear my views in context.
Please remember that the ones with the most hardline views are those who only occasionally use this site to post their hard line views.
Something has obviously gone very wrong over the last few months, it doesn't take a genius to work that out.
This season has now gone. Chris Powell now has to the end of this season to show there is something about him as a manager to put belief in him to put it right next season. His great service to us as a player should now give him thebenefit to prove that aover the next two months.
And basically that is where we are. You can rant and rave as much as you like, but there is not going to be any change now. Either things turn around over the next two months or they don't. And if they don't, then there is no benefit in giving a budget to him for next season, sadly.
Bristol R H drew (bottom 4 club)
Walsall H lost (bottom 4 club)
Brighton A drew (top club)
Colchester A drew (middle club)
Swindon H lost (bottom 4 Club)
I supported Parky, thought he did ok, but had to go when he did. Powell hasn't done well, there can be no doubt, but would we have tailed off under Parky. The truth is no one knows & if you look at Parky's last 5 games, you may note that we played 3 of the bottom 4 at home and lost 2 and drew 1.
Perhaps, the rot set in then & Powell temporarily halted it.
Also, we were not too good early in the season, it was just that we had an excellent November.
I will be patient as always & see what Powell can do next season if he's still with us.
No matter how many times the myth that Parky had no money to spend is repeated, it won't become true. He had a huge budget by Third Division standards and he couldn't get us past Swindon and Millwall. Nobody can seriously believe they had more money than us; what they did have was a better manager.
I don't know if Chris Powell is the man to turn things around, but I do know it would be shameful and laughable if we sacked him after 11 games trying to organise Parky's misfits.
It's horrible at the moment, but with no takeover we'd have been in administration and with no change of manager we'd still have had the same problems because the players aren't good enough.
Just as long as we dont get relegated then we can all look on to next year... Powelly can hopefully call people like curbs and others hes worked with get some ideas, start putting some things together...
We will see...
At this rate though, as chirpy highlighted the first murmers from the crowd are after 10 mins and the team are getting booed off at half time and full time... that cant be good for anyone...
AIRMAN bROWN - I am quite diapointed in you. I had always said that's Parky has goner so Parky has gone and that' s it and I won't comment . You say we couldnt get past Swindon and Millwall who had less money than us. However we were abve Huddersfiels and the south Coast Club who had lots more. You are normally quite fair, please don't become one of the idiots
[cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite]No matter how many times the myth that Parky had no money to spend is repeated, it won't become true. He had a huge budget by Third Division standards and he couldn't get us past Swindon and Millwall. Nobody can seriously believe they had more money than us; what they did have was a better manager.
I don't know if Chris Powell is the man to turn things around, but I do know it would be shameful and laughable if we sacked him after 11 games trying to organise Parky's misfits.
It's horrible at the moment, but with no takeover we'd have been in administration and with no change of manager we'd still have had the same problems because the players aren't good enough.
Agreed. Claims that Parky did miracles are ridiculous. However, injuries aside he had this team picking up points.
[cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite] Nobody can seriously believe they had more money than us; what they did have was a better manager.
On current evidence they still do
I don't know if Chris Powell is the man to turn things around, but I do know it would be shameful and laughable if we sacked him after 11 games trying to organise Parky's misfits.
What, more shameful and laughable than this spineless capitulation of our league position and potentially our fanbase and season ticket sales?
But, no, you carry on and blame Parky; that seems to be the fashion on here
The 4 games that we won at the start of Chris Powells reign merely led us into a false sense of security. The only one we deserved to win was the Plymouth game.
Against Colchester let's be honest they had a perfectly good goal ruled out and we played poorly
Against Yeovil we were terrible and rode our luck
Against Peterborough they played us off the park for all but 15 minutes.
We could VERY easily have lost all 3 of the above games and then we really would be in a relegation fight.
Chris Powell would be my number 1 choice for my all time favorite Charlton left back but i'm afraid he is way out of his depth at managing. Doesn't make him a bad bloke, just not a good enough manager. He didn't even apply for the job, they rang him up.
Why let Sodje go to Hibs and then replace him with Nouble who looked awful. At least Akpo came on at the end of games and terrified the life out of opposition defenders. Nouble hit the top of the Jimmy Seed stand with one shot. I've not seen that for a very long time .
Eccleston must wonder what is going on, he has pace and a decent shot, yet we leave him on the bench or play him out of position.
Parky should have been left in charge, I am grateful for the 2 new owners but I am sorry to say that their obvious publicity stunt to win over the fans has back fired dramatically.
I honestly think that if Parkinson was still in charge we'd be in the play-offs. Probably not in the automatic places but the play-offs pretty comfortably. Under Powell for now at least I fear we are going to keep dropping like a stone. I think he's made some very poor decisions and I just hope that we have enough points in the bag to keep us away from the drop zone. Assuming we stay up (can't belive I'm even thinking about possible relegation but I am cos we really are that bad now) then maybe next season Powell will have the funds to get in much better players and we'll do well (but it will have to be quite a few of them!).
[cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]The football under CP is far better than Parky
Besides the Plymouth game, about 25 minutes against Peterborough, 5 minute patches in a couple of the other home games and perhaps the first half against Notts County, the football has been absolutely dismal.
I cannot comment on Hartlepool as I wasn't there, however, judging by the other 10 x 90 minutes I have to go on, I am assuming it was not 1980's Netherlands.
We have no cohension and the players have lost all confidence, and the fans have started booing players before they even touch the ball.... its a mess the only chance is survival in the division and a massive rebuild job again next year.... we will be averaging 10k next year... and people will simply stop going... an who can blame them...
I don't understand how all of a sudden the fans seem to think the squad is not strong enough. It's just a way of covering up the fact that powell is an absolute loser when it comes to managing. That team parky assembled from scratch last summer was impressive, considering. And the team was doing well enough to be serious contenders for promotion this season.
Since Powell has come in and cocked our whole season up, there are a lot of fans who seem happy to " build for next year" or blame the current squad. All because nobody really has the balls to admit that he is total crap. Look at the teams we are losing to. They are not better footballers than our lads, by any stretch of the imagination but they are managed well and we are not, hence our recent form.
Since he has come in the performances have got worse and worse! What is he doing on the training ground?!
I thought i wanted Parky out, oh dear was i wrong! I WANT POWELL OUT AND BEFOFE HE RELEGATES US!!!!!!!
I honestly think some of you lot live in a bubble on another planet sometimes.
Large trying to compare Pardew/Parky to Parky/Powell is fooking ludicrous.
Pardew/Parky we were bottom, practically relegated in November and hadnt won for bloody ages.
Parky/Powell we were 3rd-5th depending on your take on the games in hand, had barely played for a month and even when we had we had drawn away at the best side in the division.
It really is the most stupid comparison.
Airman I have more respect than most on here but come on, he works for the club FFS.
Its something we will go round in circles with and it wont solve anything.
All I will say is that my problem isnt with Chris Powell, its with the people running the club.
I said the same thing on January 3rd - this club needs an experienced manager who has been around the block a bit, Powell was a Charlton manager for 2016 when he had cut his teeth.
Insufferable will probably go on about his silks purse and sows ear, Im more simplistic IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT.
Parky's team was ebbing away but on the whole it still had a lot of fight and desire to achieve as demonstrated at Colchester.Parky performed miracles this year and rightly expected the new board to back him up in January.He would have definitely strenghted the team in the right areas .This is the least Parky deserved.Personally I think his sacking was disgusting and illogical seeing the new board did not have a ready replacement.I am still upset and Hate the Parky Haters who have heaped untold damage on my beloved club.Let me make this clear I do not mean Parky Critics but people who were on a personal hate crusade . Parky was no Mourinho and as I have said before most of our players are not up to standard as is now clearly obvious but Parky Knew his players and on most occassions would squeeze out a positive result.
Anyway Parky is history now and I was pleased Chrissy was appointed.I am also grateful to the new board for saving my club.We are in freefall now and the Dagenham match has assumed an added importance.Chrissy has to turn it round.He is our manager now and we have to be massively behind him and the players on Saturday.COYR.
For me, there is a glimmer of hope - for once Powell has got a week to think about our next game. He isn't faced with the prospect of trying to get the team ready for a Tuesday night match. So, it will be interesting to see what happens next Saturday and on the Tuesday after. Can he turn it round?
As far as I am concerned, once we get a few more points on the board we can write this season off - we won't be going anywhere (up or down), then it is all about the new campaign.
Firstly, we have too many points to be concerned about relegation. As for Powell, he has to turn things round this season to save his job. Our season is over so no point rushing into sacking him but the board will want to see evidence of improvement that he can do the job.
[cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite]No matter how many times the myth that Parky had no money to spend is repeated, it won't become true. He had a huge budget by Third Division standards and he couldn't get us past Swindon and Millwall. Nobody can seriously believe they had more money than us; what they did have was a better manager.
I don't know if Chris Powell is the man to turn things around, but I do know it would be shameful and laughable if we sacked him after 11 games trying to organise Parky's misfits.
It's horrible at the moment, but with no takeover we'd have been in administration and with no change of manager we'd still have had the same problems because the players aren't good enough.
"Parkys misfits", i really take exception to that phrase. Were these the misfits that took us to the play offs? or to fifth? or that made Parky Manager of the Month in November. A totally unfair comment.
Powell needs to be given time. The long term plan is to get us playing good football and get results.
This squad wasn't built to do that. If Powell is sacked what decent manager would come here? He'd know he only has a couple of months to improve both results and performances, otherwise he could lose his job.
Parky only had a short term target of winning promotion. Simply about results, not the style of football and performances.
So because of that yes I think he'd have done better in the last two months with this squad when it comes to results. It is his own after all and we had been challenging for promotion all season.
Performances no probably not, there haven't been many great performances while we've been in this division.
On the point about Parky's budget last season, let's not forget he had at least four players he didn't want making up a significant proportion of it. Take away Dickson, McLeod, Fleetwood, Sinclair and it's not as big as it sounds.
No we didn't do as well as Millwall or Swindon (though we did finish above Swindon) as they got to the play-off final, but was our budget bigger than Leeds and Norwich's? Parky couldn't spend £400k on a striker like Norwich. Had we had a BWP instead of Dickson or McLeod last season we'd have surely won promotion.
Powell seems to be stuck between trying to get results or starting to develop a system for next season. To play exciting football we'll need a proper playmaker, a good all round midfielder, a front 2 or 3 who can play together, full backs who can offer width going forward.
Most of that isn't here and the few players that can play it can't do it on their own.
We all want both good football and results don't we? Then we will have to be patient. As long as we grind out a couple more wins we won't be relegated. I said a few weeks ago with this squad we'll only make the play-offs playing direct football but was told that was rubbish and look at Brighton. Pretty obvious now we just don't have the players for it. Have another look at Brighton, it takes time and a few quality signings can really improve a team.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Powell needs to be given time. The long term plan is to get us playing good football and get results.
This squad wasn't built to do that. If Powell is sacked what decent manager would come here? He'd know he only has a couple of months to improve both results and performances, otherwise he could lose his job.
Parky only had a short term target of winning promotion. Simply about results, not the style of football and performances.
So because of that yes I think he'd have done better in the last two months with this squad when it comes to results. It is his own after all and we had been challenging for promotion all season.
Performances no probably not, there haven't been many great performances while we've been in this division.
On the point about Parky's budget last season, let's not forget he had at least five players he didn't want making up a significant proportion of it. Take away Christensen, Dickson, McLeod, Fleetwood, Sinclair and it's not as big as it sounds.
No we didn't do as well as Millwall or Swindon (though we did finish above them) as they got to the play-off final, but was our budget bigger than Leeds and Norwich's? Parky couldn't spend £400k on a striker like Norwich. Had we had a BWP instead of Dickson or McLeod last season we'd have surely won promotion.
Powell seems to be stuck between trying to get results or starting to develop a system for next season. To play exciting football we'll need a proper playmaker, a good all round midfielder, a front 2 or 3 who can play together, full backs who can offer width going forward.
Most of that isn't here and the few players that can play it can't do it on their own.
We all want both good football and results don't we? Then we will have to be patient. As long as we grind out a couple more wins we won't be relegated. I said a few weeks ago with this squad we'll only make the play-offs playing direct football but was told that was rubbish and look at Brighton. Pretty obvious now we just don't have the players for it. Have another look at Brighton, it takes time and a few quality signings can really improve a team.
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Yet you are not prepared to offer Powell* some leeway under the same circumstances results wise.
* who also didn't have the luxury of 2 years or whatever Parky had under Pardew to get to know the squad and its capabilities.
That doesn't give him a lot of scope to change it tactically.
It's Brothers Grimm at the moment for sure but Powell needs time.
CP has been left with as ineffective a midfield as I can remember. McCormack is the worst player I have ever seen in a Charlton shirt. Is that CP's fault? He signed a three and a half year contract for a reason, because there is a long time job to do. Let's give him that time to do his job. Let's give him the summer to bring in HIS players, players who are good enough and can buy into what he is trying to achieve. This time next season is when we can start judging him. Poyet took over Brighton half way through last season, they escaped relegation, he brought in HIS players and the rest is history.
Yes CP is making mistakes but hopefully he is learning fast from them. At last he's seen the light and Francis is third choice right back. Maybe McOxo will soon follow. I'm surprised he didn't start Parrett but I'm sure there was a good reason. I also feel for Eccleston as he should be in the team. Give CP this season to assess his squad, clear out the deadwood and then launch a proper assault next season, a sustainable one.
As for Chris Powell. judge him at the end of the season. There is no point putting even more pressure on him. The biggest concern I had with Chris Powell's appointment is that we have no idea whether he's good in the transfer market or not. Some people can coach (Peter Taylor for example) but not be a able to spot talent.
Please remember that the ones with the most hardline views are those who only occasionally use this site to post their hard line views.
Something has obviously gone very wrong over the last few months, it doesn't take a genius to work that out.
This season has now gone. Chris Powell now has to the end of this season to show there is something about him as a manager to put belief in him to put it right next season. His great service to us as a player should now give him thebenefit to prove that aover the next two months.
And basically that is where we are. You can rant and rave as much as you like, but there is not going to be any change now. Either things turn around over the next two months or they don't. And if they don't, then there is no benefit in giving a budget to him for next season, sadly.
Hard times.
Bristol R H drew (bottom 4 club)
Walsall H lost (bottom 4 club)
Brighton A drew (top club)
Colchester A drew (middle club)
Swindon H lost (bottom 4 Club)
I supported Parky, thought he did ok, but had to go when he did. Powell hasn't done well, there can be no doubt, but would we have tailed off under Parky. The truth is no one knows & if you look at Parky's last 5 games, you may note that we played 3 of the bottom 4 at home and lost 2 and drew 1.
Perhaps, the rot set in then & Powell temporarily halted it.
Also, we were not too good early in the season, it was just that we had an excellent November.
I will be patient as always & see what Powell can do next season if he's still with us.
I don't know if Chris Powell is the man to turn things around, but I do know it would be shameful and laughable if we sacked him after 11 games trying to organise Parky's misfits.
It's horrible at the moment, but with no takeover we'd have been in administration and with no change of manager we'd still have had the same problems because the players aren't good enough.
Just as long as we dont get relegated then we can all look on to next year... Powelly can hopefully call people like curbs and others hes worked with get some ideas, start putting some things together...
We will see...
At this rate though, as chirpy highlighted the first murmers from the crowd are after 10 mins and the team are getting booed off at half time and full time... that cant be good for anyone...
As Powell got a clue?
Yes: 15% No 85%.
What, more shameful and laughable than this spineless capitulation of our league position and potentially our fanbase and season ticket sales?
But, no, you carry on and blame Parky; that seems to be the fashion on here
Against Colchester let's be honest they had a perfectly good goal ruled out and we played poorly
Against Yeovil we were terrible and rode our luck
Against Peterborough they played us off the park for all but 15 minutes.
We could VERY easily have lost all 3 of the above games and then we really would be in a relegation fight.
Chris Powell would be my number 1 choice for my all time favorite Charlton left back but i'm afraid he is way out of his depth at managing. Doesn't make him a bad bloke, just not a good enough manager. He didn't even apply for the job, they rang him up.
Why let Sodje go to Hibs and then replace him with Nouble who looked awful. At least Akpo came on at the end of games and terrified the life out of opposition defenders. Nouble hit the top of the Jimmy Seed stand with one shot. I've not seen that for a very long time .
Eccleston must wonder what is going on, he has pace and a decent shot, yet we leave him on the bench or play him out of position.
Parky should have been left in charge, I am grateful for the 2 new owners but I am sorry to say that their obvious publicity stunt to win over the fans has back fired dramatically.
I honestly think that if Parkinson was still in charge we'd be in the play-offs. Probably not in the automatic places but the play-offs pretty comfortably.
Under Powell for now at least I fear we are going to keep dropping like a stone. I think he's made some very poor decisions and I just hope that we have enough points in the bag to keep us away from the drop zone.
Assuming we stay up (can't belive I'm even thinking about possible relegation but I am cos we really are that bad now) then maybe next season Powell will have the funds to get in much better players and we'll do well (but it will have to be quite a few of them!).
Besides the Plymouth game, about 25 minutes against Peterborough, 5 minute patches in a couple of the other home games and perhaps the first half against Notts County, the football has been absolutely dismal.
I cannot comment on Hartlepool as I wasn't there, however, judging by the other 10 x 90 minutes I have to go on, I am assuming it was not 1980's Netherlands.
It's just a way of covering up the fact that powell is an absolute loser when it comes to managing.
That team parky assembled from scratch last summer was impressive, considering.
And the team was doing well enough to be serious contenders for promotion this season.
Since Powell has come in and cocked our whole season up, there are a lot of fans who seem happy to " build for next year" or blame the current squad. All because nobody really has the balls to admit that he is total crap.
Look at the teams we are losing to.
They are not better footballers than our lads, by any stretch of the imagination but they are managed well and we are not, hence our recent form.
Since he has come in the performances have got worse and worse!
What is he doing on the training ground?!
I thought i wanted Parky out, oh dear was i wrong! I WANT POWELL OUT AND BEFOFE HE RELEGATES US!!!!!!!
Large trying to compare Pardew/Parky to Parky/Powell is fooking ludicrous.
Pardew/Parky we were bottom, practically relegated in November and hadnt won for bloody ages.
Parky/Powell we were 3rd-5th depending on your take on the games in hand, had barely played for a month and even when we had we had drawn away at the best side in the division.
It really is the most stupid comparison.
Airman I have more respect than most on here but come on, he works for the club FFS.
Its something we will go round in circles with and it wont solve anything.
All I will say is that my problem isnt with Chris Powell, its with the people running the club.
I said the same thing on January 3rd - this club needs an experienced manager who has been around the block a bit, Powell was a Charlton manager for 2016 when he had cut his teeth.
Insufferable will probably go on about his silks purse and sows ear, Im more simplistic IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT.
Anyway Parky is history now and I was pleased Chrissy was appointed.I am also grateful to the new board for saving my club.We are in freefall now and the Dagenham match has assumed an added importance.Chrissy has to turn it round.He is our manager now and we have to be massively behind him and the players on Saturday.COYR.
As far as I am concerned, once we get a few more points on the board we can write this season off - we won't be going anywhere (up or down), then it is all about the new campaign.
"Parkys misfits", i really take exception to that phrase. Were these the misfits that took us to the play offs? or to fifth? or that made Parky Manager of the Month in November. A totally unfair comment.
This squad wasn't built to do that. If Powell is sacked what decent manager would come here? He'd know he only has a couple of months to improve both results and performances, otherwise he could lose his job.
Parky only had a short term target of winning promotion. Simply about results, not the style of football and performances.
So because of that yes I think he'd have done better in the last two months with this squad when it comes to results. It is his own after all and we had been challenging for promotion all season.
Performances no probably not, there haven't been many great performances while we've been in this division.
On the point about Parky's budget last season, let's not forget he had at least four players he didn't want making up a significant proportion of it. Take away Dickson, McLeod, Fleetwood, Sinclair and it's not as big as it sounds.
No we didn't do as well as Millwall or Swindon (though we did finish above Swindon) as they got to the play-off final, but was our budget bigger than Leeds and Norwich's? Parky couldn't spend £400k on a striker like Norwich. Had we had a BWP instead of Dickson or McLeod last season we'd have surely won promotion.
Powell seems to be stuck between trying to get results or starting to develop a system for next season. To play exciting football we'll need a proper playmaker, a good all round midfielder, a front 2 or 3 who can play together, full backs who can offer width going forward.
Most of that isn't here and the few players that can play it can't do it on their own.
We all want both good football and results don't we? Then we will have to be patient. As long as we grind out a couple more wins we won't be relegated. I said a few weeks ago with this squad we'll only make the play-offs playing direct football but was told that was rubbish and look at Brighton. Pretty obvious now we just don't have the players for it. Have another look at Brighton, it takes time and a few quality signings can really improve a team.
Just what I was going to say : - )