On what we have seen so far I just don’t think Chris Powell is good enough to be the manager, He will learn given time but I don’t believe the club can afford to have somebody running the club who is still learning his trade. We need to get out of this division as quickly as possible and I just don’t believe Chris Powell is the man to do that.
His decisions so far have been poor. Injuries and suspensions are part of football but he allowed Sodje and Abbott to both leave, and then he was forced to get in a 19-year loanee to cover the shortage of strikers. Also there are questions over team line-ups, substitutions, and exactly what formation he wants the club to play.
The team is stronger due to Bradley Wright Phillips than the team that Parkinson had, yet we are in freefall, playing with no confidence and looking more like relegation material than a time with aspirations of the Championship.
I haven’t seen one thing yet that gives me any confidence that Chris Powell can take this club onwards and upwards.
BlackForestReds I fully agree with you. However people know that they are probably on 3 months probation, and if they don't start producing the results they would quickly be looking for another job How many multinational companies do you know that would give their most important managerial post to a trainee without any previous experience?
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I wonder how many of the Powell out brigade were that good at their current jobs after 10 weeks?
No I was given training and coaching. The damage I could do as a result of my lack of experience and skill was limited by the nature of my authority level. I was only allowed to make decisions that affected corporate performance once I was capable of doing that, and doing that well. As a result there were no car crashes in the early days.
This might be why most appointments into the role of professional football club manager are of experienced and proven individuals who have little or no learning curve.
Haven't read the full thread but, like brainless post-match booing, some of the posts on the first page seem to be based purely on a knee-jerk inability to handle our current predicament. Like most I have no idea if CP will be good enough to arrest the decline, settle the club down, and nurture a side good enough to challenge seriously next season for the promotion we desperately need. However, sacking him after 11 games would appear to be ridiculous. Let's find out what he can do with a little backing, choosing his own signings, and moulding a team in his style. Apart from being well-liked, he has always come across as an intelligent man who cares passionately about our club. No-one in their right mind would keep him on indefinitely simply because he's a nice bloke, but he's highly thought of beyond Charlton and clearly has a lot to offer the game he loves and knows. Whether that turns out to be as manager of CAFC remains to be seen, perhaps a year from now.
I've put on record my concerns at signing an inexperienced, unproven hero instead of an experienced guru, but we have a good knowledgeable passionate man who would never knowingly do anything that would hurt our club. Let's just give him a chance before we jump to impatient ill-considered conclusions.
disagree with Ketman from the previous page. Of the 11/12 out of contract both Jenkinson and Solly MUST stay. Bye bye to everyone else though including Semedo for me.
The new board want to build a football dynasty with the game being played in the proper (and incidentally, more entertaining) way. Powell appears to want the same thing - or he would not have been appointed. We simply do not have the players to do that at present, so that means a big clearout and substantial player movement to get a squad of players who fit the bill.
Parkinson did not fit in with this vision as his style of play was different. Watching unattractive winning football (a la Stoke) is one thing, but watching mediocre unattractive football is another thing entirely, and the Charlton crowds had already started dropping as a result. After watching Parky's last game, the board probably felt that they had nothing to lose by starting this transition early. Those who point out that we were fifth when Parkinson went conveniently forget the abject nature of that result and the fact that may have precipitated the exactly the kind of freefall that we are now witnessing. However, Parkinson may well have achieved promotion this season with his players playing his style, but we will never know and what is done is done.
As far as I am concerned, we got fairly lucky with CP's first 4 results, but since then, the lack of quality in the side has become evident and has been compounded by the probablility that CP probably wanted them to modify their playing style to one more in line with how he thinks the game should be played. They haven't been able to cope, and it may be that these players are better when not trying to play CP's style of football. Anyway, this appears to be irrelevant anyway as most of them will be on their way in the summer by the looks of things. Given that a squad overhaul is likely, we need to get rid of the deadwood. As such, if someone comes in for a player that has no future at the club (Sodje, Abbot) then the only logical thing to do is get rid, so when this happened, it was with the big picture in mind and appears to me to be perfectly logical.
I can understand why people may have concerns about CP's tactical decisions so far, but to call for his head without giving him the chance to do the job with the proper tools (i.e players) needed to play the way he wants his team to play seems impatient IMHO.
TBH I think that those asking why the players are not realising that they have a chance for the rest of the season to impress any prospective employers is a very good one. They can either leave this club with their heads held high or under a cloud of mediocrity.........but either way, they're going.
I think I know which of the two scenarios would be more likely to get them a job at another club!
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I wonder how many of the Powell out brigade were that good at their current jobs after 10 weeks?
No I was given training and coaching. The damage I could do as a result of my lack of experience and skill was limited by the nature of my authority level. I was only allowed to make decisions that affected corporate performance once I was capable of doing that, and doing that well. As a result there were no car crashes in the early days.
This might be why most appointments into the role of professional football club manager are of experienced and proven individuals who have little or no learning curve.
But then football management isn't as straight forward as most other jobs, it's not an exact science that you can be trained and coached for. You can be excellent at both but still end up a rubbish manager and there isn't the same structures of different management levels.
No-one knows how a manager is going to turn out until they're effectively let loose and given a chance (or chances). Someone has to take a risk with them.
Unfortunately modern football finances and pressures means it's less likely for new managers to be given chances and managers like Dowie keep getting jobs simply because they've done it before no matter how many failures; Ad that definately ain't right.
Very few jobs are an exact science but they do mostly require experience and that is more safetly gained in a support capacity.
Perhaps he simply doesn't have enough experience to do the main job yet. Another 2 months being reminded of what he doesn't know and the possibility of a relegation battle followed by a few weeks off could be just the experience enhancement he needs (or it might not be)
[cite]Posted By: Paddy7[/cite]Haven't read the full thread
Well read it, the rest of us had to ;-)
...inability to handle our current predicament.
The pressing problem as I see it is that the manager appears to be floundering in his efforts to handle our current predicament.
The crucial issue as I see it is do we tough it out in the vain hope/belief (delete to taste) that at some future date he will come good - or do we see it as clueless impotence with no signs of improvement that if allowed to continue could have a disastrous effect on out league position; attendances and season ticket sales.
On reflection whilst I can see that it might be inappropriate and counter productive to sack him now - I think he needs to be showing some evidence that he can cope with the situation we find ourselves in before we go trusting him with our summer transfer budget.
Curbs wanted to go he needed a break & then he hoped to move on to bigger & better things - Murray wanted him to stay and offered a new contract. Curbs refused but said he was willing to see out his final season. Murray declined because the team needed significant improvement & Murray couldn't see how Curbs could sign the right players, if they knew the manager would be leaving.
Powell has struggled in the main, because he didn't know the limitations of our squad, he probably does by now. He has been trying many different players and formations and none of them have really worked because our players aren't good enough to play "good" football. We need to be more direct for the rest of the season.
Regarding Sodje & Abbott going. If you want to get rid of these players at the season's end, along with a dozen others & you are presented with an earlier opportunity, perhaps you take it while you can. Abbott initiated his move and we didn't stop him.
As we are not doing any contract negotiations until the season has ended, I think most players and their agents can assume, that it's goodbye.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Billericay Dickie[/cite]How many multinational companies do you know that would give their most important managerial post to a trainee without any previous experience?[/quote]
Powell had a good CV - former club player, bags of experience elsewhere, a few international caps, a good role model and a model pro, has coaching badges and a couple of years as a coach at Leicester under SGE and others.
But how do you get experience if no one is prepared to take a punt on you? Most international companies would offer training, a mentor and a support system. Charlton appear to have done that with CP - drafting in Keith Peacock and giving him an equally qualified coach in Alex Dyer.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]disagree with Ketman from the previous page. Of the 11/12 out of contract both Jenkinson and Solly MUST stay. Bye bye to everyone else though including Semedo for me.
You can't force people to stay though, particularly if they are offered better contracts at currently better clubs.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]disagree with Ketman from the previous page. Of the 11/12 out of contract both Jenkinson and Solly MUST stay. Bye bye to everyone else though including Semedo for me.
You can't force people to stay though, particularly if they are offered better contracts at currently better clubs.
[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]On reflection whilst I can see that it might be inappropriate and counter productive to sack him now - I think he needs to be showing some evidence that he can cope with the situation we find ourselves in before we go trusting him with our summer transfer budget.
so should the board withhold the transfer budget until he shows some savvy? if not powell, then who should they trust with the money?
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Powell has struggled in the main, because he didn't know the limitations of our squad, he probably does by now. He has been trying many different players and formations and none of them have really worked because our players aren't good enough to play "good" football. We need to be more direct for the rest of the season.
agreed. our current crock of shit cant play decent football between them and instead we need to play ugly and get results. these players aint got the ability to adapt their playing style, especially during mid-season.
[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]On reflection whilst I can see that it might be inappropriate and counter productive to sack him now - I think he needs to be showing some evidence that he can cope with the situation we find ourselves in before we go trusting him with our summer transfer budget.
so should the board withhold the transfer budget until he shows some savvy?
My concern is that Powell is not showing any sign that he can halt this disastrous run we are on. If this continues unabated until the end of the season then IMO we need to entrust a new manager with the budget and the future.
(No I don't have any suggestions and yes it would be fraught with danger - neither of which excuses continuing with a lame duck).
What I would like to see that within the remainder of this season Powell is able to motivate and organise with the hand he has been dealt - I don't buy this new received wisdom that the players are all crap.
If he can effect change and improvement then I for one would feel a lot happier with entrusting him with the summer transfer budget
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Curbs wanted to go he needed a break & then he hoped to move on to bigger & better things - Murray wanted him to stay and offered a new contract. Curbs refused but said he was willing to see out his final season. Murray declined because the team needed significant improvement & Murray couldn't see how Curbs could sign the right players, if they knew the manager would be leaving.
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[cite]Posted By: Danny Addick[/cite]Murray wanted curbs to leave that year earlier due to pride, and thus the downfall began...
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]disagree with Ketman from the previous page. Of the 11/12 out of contract both Jenkinson and Solly MUST stay. Bye bye to everyone else though including Semedo for me.
You can't force people to stay though, particularly if they are offered better contracts at currently better clubs.
oh I agree Danny but what I meant was we must do everything in our power to get them to stay. If at the end of the day though they decide to leave then that is their decision.
We Have not played a decent game since Peterbourgh away and the managers both have to take the blame for this aswell as the players. I really think that if powell stays and tries to rebuild in the summer we will end up with another season like this.
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His decisions so far have been poor. Injuries and suspensions are part of football but he allowed Sodje and Abbott to both leave, and then he was forced to get in a 19-year loanee to cover the shortage of strikers. Also there are questions over team line-ups, substitutions, and exactly what formation he wants the club to play.
The team is stronger due to Bradley Wright Phillips than the team that Parkinson had, yet we are in freefall, playing with no confidence and looking more like relegation material than a time with aspirations of the Championship.
I haven’t seen one thing yet that gives me any confidence that Chris Powell can take this club onwards and upwards.
Thats a good point BFR but then again a lot of employers offer jobs on a 3 month probation period, does this mean he has 2 weeks to prove himself?
How many multinational companies do you know that would give their most important managerial post to a trainee without any previous experience?
No I was given training and coaching. The damage I could do as a result of my lack of experience and skill was limited by the nature of my authority level. I was only allowed to make decisions that affected corporate performance once I was capable of doing that, and doing that well. As a result there were no car crashes in the early days.
This might be why most appointments into the role of professional football club manager are of experienced and proven individuals who have little or no learning curve.
I've put on record my concerns at signing an inexperienced, unproven hero instead of an experienced guru, but we have a good knowledgeable passionate man who would never knowingly do anything that would hurt our club. Let's just give him a chance before we jump to impatient ill-considered conclusions.
Parkinson did not fit in with this vision as his style of play was different. Watching unattractive winning football (a la Stoke) is one thing, but watching mediocre unattractive football is another thing entirely, and the Charlton crowds had already started dropping as a result. After watching Parky's last game, the board probably felt that they had nothing to lose by starting this transition early. Those who point out that we were fifth when Parkinson went conveniently forget the abject nature of that result and the fact that may have precipitated the exactly the kind of freefall that we are now witnessing. However, Parkinson may well have achieved promotion this season with his players playing his style, but we will never know and what is done is done.
As far as I am concerned, we got fairly lucky with CP's first 4 results, but since then, the lack of quality in the side has become evident and has been compounded by the probablility that CP probably wanted them to modify their playing style to one more in line with how he thinks the game should be played. They haven't been able to cope, and it may be that these players are better when not trying to play CP's style of football. Anyway, this appears to be irrelevant anyway as most of them will be on their way in the summer by the looks of things. Given that a squad overhaul is likely, we need to get rid of the deadwood. As such, if someone comes in for a player that has no future at the club (Sodje, Abbot) then the only logical thing to do is get rid, so when this happened, it was with the big picture in mind and appears to me to be perfectly logical.
I can understand why people may have concerns about CP's tactical decisions so far, but to call for his head without giving him the chance to do the job with the proper tools (i.e players) needed to play the way he wants his team to play seems impatient IMHO.
TBH I think that those asking why the players are not realising that they have a chance for the rest of the season to impress any prospective employers is a very good one. They can either leave this club with their heads held high or under a cloud of mediocrity.........but either way, they're going.
I think I know which of the two scenarios would be more likely to get them a job at another club!
But then football management isn't as straight forward as most other jobs, it's not an exact science that you can be trained and coached for. You can be excellent at both but still end up a rubbish manager and there isn't the same structures of different management levels.
No-one knows how a manager is going to turn out until they're effectively let loose and given a chance (or chances). Someone has to take a risk with them.
Unfortunately modern football finances and pressures means it's less likely for new managers to be given chances and managers like Dowie keep getting jobs simply because they've done it before no matter how many failures; Ad that definately ain't right.
Perhaps he simply doesn't have enough experience to do the main job yet. Another 2 months being reminded of what he doesn't know and the possibility of a relegation battle followed by a few weeks off could be just the experience enhancement he needs (or it might not be)
The pressing problem as I see it is that the manager appears to be floundering in his efforts to handle our current predicament.
The crucial issue as I see it is do we tough it out in the vain hope/belief (delete to taste) that at some future date he will come good - or do we see it as clueless impotence with no signs of improvement that if allowed to continue could have a disastrous effect on out league position; attendances and season ticket sales.
On reflection whilst I can see that it might be inappropriate and counter productive to sack him now - I think he needs to be showing some evidence that he can cope with the situation we find ourselves in before we go trusting him with our summer transfer budget.
Powell has struggled in the main, because he didn't know the limitations of our squad, he probably does by now. He has been trying many different players and formations and none of them have really worked because our players aren't good enough to play "good" football. We need to be more direct for the rest of the season.
Regarding Sodje & Abbott going. If you want to get rid of these players at the season's end, along with a dozen others & you are presented with an earlier opportunity, perhaps you take it while you can. Abbott initiated his move and we didn't stop him.
As we are not doing any contract negotiations until the season has ended, I think most players and their agents can assume, that it's goodbye.
Powell had a good CV - former club player, bags of experience elsewhere, a few international caps, a good role model and a model pro, has coaching badges and a couple of years as a coach at Leicester under SGE and others.
But how do you get experience if no one is prepared to take a punt on you? Most international companies would offer training, a mentor and a support system. Charlton appear to have done that with CP - drafting in Keith Peacock and giving him an equally qualified coach in Alex Dyer.
You can't force people to stay though, particularly if they are offered better contracts at currently better clubs.
agreed. our current crock of shit cant play decent football between them and instead we need to play ugly and get results. these players aint got the ability to adapt their playing style, especially during mid-season.
If this continues unabated until the end of the season then IMO we need to entrust a new manager with the budget and the future.
(No I don't have any suggestions and yes it would be fraught with danger - neither of which excuses continuing with a lame duck).
What I would like to see that within the remainder of this season Powell is able to motivate and organise with the hand he has been dealt - I don't buy this new received wisdom that the players are all crap.
If he can effect change and improvement then I for one would feel a lot happier with entrusting him with the summer transfer budget
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Nonsense.
Disagree, see above.
Certainly hope I'm wrong, but have harboured that thought ever since.
oh I agree Danny but what I meant was we must do everything in our power to get them to stay. If at the end of the day though they decide to leave then that is their decision.