[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]I don't mind keeping Semedo if we're serious about playing some sort of 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. However if we're going to end up playing 4-4-2 he's of little use.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Agree with Ketman, and something tells me we are in for a huge player turnaround this summer.
The players will know that of course, as talks with agents with regard to next season would have been started a few months ago.
Powell has a mega job on his hands. Needs to get results to bring some supporter and board confidence for next season, whilst trying to get a positive reaction from players who probably know they will be somewhere else next season.
If you were a player, surely you would want to play well though to put yourself in the shop window ? Doesn’t do much for your CV when you played poorly in a poor Charlton team that massively underachieved. Jackson hasn’t played for weeks and he’s the only one of our players being linked with anyone for the summer.
I'd keep Semedo, if we have money to sign better players around him he has to do less work and can just get on what he does best, break up play.
Last few months he has been having to do the work for 2 especially when McCormack is next to him. Racon is another who is more than adequate at this level especially as a squad player, good back up to have when injuries etc take over, plus he normally seems to come in and play well when he has a point to prove.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]You can undertsand why we didn't keep Curbs for another season - a mistake with hindsight yes, butMurray left time to find a replacement.
i can't understand why we didn't keep curbs for the season b4 the tv payments went crazy and i really can't understand why murray didn't take curbs offer of help to find his successor
MAybe you don't remember the statements and body language coming from Curbs. It seemed to me that he was willing to honour the year left on his contract because he is an honerable man but he didn't want to be with us any more. I think people's memories can be a bit selective sometimes.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Agree with Ketman, and something tells me we are in for a huge player turnaround this summer.
The players will know that of course, as talks with agents with regard to next season would have been started a few months ago.
Powell has a mega job on his hands. Needs to get results to bring some supporter and board confidence for next season, whilst trying to get a positive reaction from players who probably know they will be somewhere else next season.
If you were a player, surely you would want to play well though to put yourself in the shop window ? Doesn’t do much for your CV when you played poorly in a poor Charlton team that massively underachieved. Jackson hasn’t played for weeks and he’s the only one of our players being linked with anyone for the summer.
I agree - you'd think they'd either be playing to get a decent club next season or they'd be playing to get a new contract at this one. Doesn't seem to work that way though.
i can remember and maybe if he'd been given the 12m warchest that may have invigorated him and curbs's professionalism would have seen him make a better attempt than the clowns that murray chose
and curbs did offer his assistance and knowledge to help find his successor but we can ignore all that
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]i can remember and maybe if he'd been given the 12m warchest that may have invigorated him and curbs's professionalism would have seen him make a better attempt than the clowns that murray chose
and curbs did offer his assistance and knowledge to help find his successor but we can ignore all that
That was a good offer from Curbs - a friend of mine who's retiring in the summer has refused to have anything to do with the selection of her successor, other than showing the candidates round - her reason being that she doesn't want the blame if the wrong person is chosen and her boss does have a habit of choosing the wrong person.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Agree with Ketman, and something tells me we are in for a huge player turnaround this summer.
The players will know that of course, as talks with agents with regard to next season would have been started a few months ago.
Powell has a mega job on his hands. Needs to get results to bring some supporter and board confidence for next season, whilst trying to get a positive reaction from players who probably know they will be somewhere else next season.
If you were a player, surely you would want to play well though to put yourself in the shop window ? Doesn’t do much for your CV when you played poorly in a poor Charlton team that massively underachieved. Jackson hasn’t played for weeks and he’s the only one of our players being linked with anyone for the summer.
I agree - you'd think they'd either be playing to get a decent club next season or they'd be playing to get a new contract at this one. Doesn't seem to work that way though.
maybe that's one of the many reasons parky was sacked - that too many of his players just had no arsehole.
Maybe if he had been given a 12m warchest - but everybody seems to use stronger words than maybe when they look back -Curbs wasn't sacked and he initiated the situation. I think losing Parker and Murphy in the way he did knocked a lot of the entusiasm out of him. His stock was high and he wanted a big job - I suspect he felt his stock might not have stayed at that level if he didn't leave. A different take but a perfectly reasonable one and not so damning on Murray as some choose to be.
Whilst the years after that fateful decision have not ben kind to us, they have not been overly good to Curbs either. Taking West Ham to a tribunal and winning has basically meant that none of the clubs he would like to manage will touch him with a barge ball and you can understand why a lowere league club doesn't appeal - I don't think he is short of a few bob.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]-Curbs wasn't sacked and he initiated the situation
i think you'll find curbs had one year left on his contract that he was prepared to see through and murray wanted him to sign a new one or leave , which is what happened
and i'm not in the camp that believes when a player signs a decent contract for a club they are interested in how long the managers contract is for the club whom they are signing for
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]Taking West Ham to a tribunal and winning has basically meant that none of the clubs he would like to manage will touch him with a barge ball and you can understand why a lowere league club doesn't appeal - I don't think he is short of a few bob.
curbs was close to getting the villa and fulham jobs in the last year he had interviews but they obviously had preferred choices in houllier and hughes
he done well at west ham and charlton that's all i'm saying
whether other clubs chose to miss out on his talents then thats down to them
some of these chairmen are pretty clueless when you look who has been employed in front of him
and curbs had the sense to turn down the hull job !!
I agree, he did better than well with Charlton - he was fantastic and we should name a stand after him. I know he had another year on his contract but I'm saying Curbs was always said he would know when it was time to leave Charlton and as somebody who was dreading that day - it seemed pretty clear to me when it arrived. He had a frank discussion with Murray that we were not party to and a decision was made. I agree it was a mistake but that you can understand why it was made at the time if you try to remember the whole picture.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]he done well at west ham and charlton that's all i'm saying
whether other clubs chose to miss out on his talents then thats down to them
some of these chairmen are pretty clueless when you look who has been employed in front of him
and curbs had the sense to turn down the hull job !![/quote]
he accepted it and then turned it down an hour later whilst driving back south
No, you are looking at the part of th epicture you can see- I'm saying there may be more to that picture and probably is. Anyway we should agree to differ.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]No, you are looking at the part of th epicture you can see- I'm saying there may be more to that picture and probably is.
In hindsight yes it backfired, but i still don't see how Murray could be critisized for taking the decision he did, it does make sense.
He was looking to give a manger a (for us) sizeable transfer kitty and as usual at that time was looking long. Curbs said he wasn't renewing his contract so Murray knew another manager was going to come in and that that manager would want to change things and have different players. So why not just get a new manager and let him spend the money.
why didn't we keep the coaches at the time and retain some sort of stability at the club? or if you are getting a brand new crew in, shouldn't the new manager have some input into who he'll be working with?
exactly enforcing reed and robson onto dowie was a joke of a decision and was rumoured to be one of the reasons billy davies wasn't interested but then i suppose that may mean you seein a bit more of the picture that you don't wanna see
thats the problem its so simple!! some of the players know they will not be a charlton player next season! powell will want this own player and they dawn well know it!!!!!!!!!!!! its sad really that the club i love are relieing on players who are not up for it because of that! i do think we miss jackson's goal theat
[cite]Posted By: nolly[/cite]Tevez saved west ham and they seem to be very thankful towards him
How has a thread about getting rid of our current manager developed into yet another debate about the manner of leaving of the manager who has been replaced 4 times since (5 if you include Keefy)? C'mon people lets get back to ripping the present incumbent apart please.
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Reluctantly agree with this.
If you were a player, surely you would want to play well though to put yourself in the shop window ? Doesn’t do much for your CV when you played poorly in a poor Charlton team that massively underachieved. Jackson hasn’t played for weeks and he’s the only one of our players being linked with anyone for the summer.
Last few months he has been having to do the work for 2 especially when McCormack is next to him. Racon is another who is more than adequate at this level especially as a squad player, good back up to have when injuries etc take over, plus he normally seems to come in and play well when he has a point to prove.
i can't understand why we didn't keep curbs for the season b4 the tv payments went crazy and i really can't understand why murray didn't take curbs offer of help to find his successor
I agree - you'd think they'd either be playing to get a decent club next season or they'd be playing to get a new contract at this one. Doesn't seem to work that way though.
and curbs did offer his assistance and knowledge to help find his successor but we can ignore all that
That was a good offer from Curbs - a friend of mine who's retiring in the summer has refused to have anything to do with the selection of her successor, other than showing the candidates round - her reason being that she doesn't want the blame if the wrong person is chosen and her boss does have a habit of choosing the wrong person.
maybe that's one of the many reasons parky was sacked - that too many of his players just had no arsehole.
Whilst the years after that fateful decision have not ben kind to us, they have not been overly good to Curbs either. Taking West Ham to a tribunal and winning has basically meant that none of the clubs he would like to manage will touch him with a barge ball and you can understand why a lowere league club doesn't appeal - I don't think he is short of a few bob.
i think you'll find curbs had one year left on his contract that he was prepared to see through and murray wanted him to sign a new one or leave , which is what happened
and i'm not in the camp that believes when a player signs a decent contract for a club they are interested in how long the managers contract is for the club whom they are signing for
curbs was close to getting the villa and fulham jobs in the last year he had interviews but they obviously had preferred choices in houllier and hughes
whether other clubs chose to miss out on his talents then thats down to them
some of these chairmen are pretty clueless when you look who has been employed in front of him
and curbs had the sense to turn down the hull job !!
but to not accept curbs offer of help i will never understand and yes i am looking at the whole picture
add this to the 9/11 thread
He was looking to give a manger a (for us) sizeable transfer kitty and as usual at that time was looking long. Curbs said he wasn't renewing his contract so Murray knew another manager was going to come in and that that manager would want to change things and have different players. So why not just get a new manager and let him spend the money.
How has a thread about getting rid of our current manager developed into yet another debate about the manner of leaving of the manager who has been replaced 4 times since (5 if you include Keefy)? C'mon people lets get back to ripping the present incumbent apart please.