[cite]Posted By: Penfolds Perm[/cite]It would be interesting to know what the old guy who confronted Parkinson on the touch line thinks about it all.
He's been back for a few games now, seems to like shouting 'What are you going to do now,
Mr Powell?' repeatedly. Would be understandable, but he starts shouting after about 5 minutes and doesn't stop. Seems a bit beaten down by the performances, he's not the aggressive old fella he once was. He does liven the game up, gives everyone else a laugh/distraction from the crap on the pitch.
Can't believe what i'm reading here, Sack Powell? He's here for the long-term rebuilding of this club. Hopefully he'll grow as a manager as we grow as a club.
Think we're all looking for someone to point the finger at, but to do that we need to go back to the appointments of Dowie/Reed/Pardew. People can argue that parky was also a wrong choice but the state the club was in at the time, a sinking ship for all to see, I very much doubt that anyone with a half decent pedigree handed in their CV at the time.
Parky can't be blamed as far as i see it. Yeah, he brought in players of a very questionable standard, but do you honestly think that another manager could have got a better squad with no money to spend? Then to perform above (resonable) expectations and get into the play-offs, miss out, only to have the team ripped apart and start again from scratch. The team that Powell has inheireted is one that is capable of holding it's own in this division but no more than that.
Now after 6 weeks into his new job, some of you guys are beginning it seems to question his ability to run this club. Yes, he's inexperienced and all that but I honestly think if we appointed Alex ferguson with Curbs as his No2 then they still would do no better. There's an old saying about only being as good as your tools.........
We can't even blame the players, as (with the odd exception) they go onto the pitch and give their all for 90 mins. If they're not good enough for our expectations then can we really blame them? They are after all, 3rd division players doing what it says on the tin.
Just seems that too many people think we have a god given right to gain promotion without taking into account that facts of how we got into this mess in the first place.
I think it is reasonable to question Powell's managerial ability just as it is unreasonable to say he should be sacked. The problem is, we don't know whether he has it in him - how can we? I still think he will come good for us but if you want to to explain why, I can't. Can you? We need to have a bit of faith and hope to see the green shoots sooner rather than later. The board are businessmen and I'm sure they will want to see evidence that Chrissy has got to grips with the job if they are going to trust him with their money next season. So I think this is a very important period for him.
If we lose to D&R on Saturday you can see us going on and losing the next 2 after that - he will really be in danger then I think. If we get a result on Saturday - I could see us getting results against Saints and Bournemouth. Confidence is the big issue to address right now- the sort of lack of confidence that results in chances being missed that we would normally capitalise on.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]If we lose to D&R on Saturday you can see us going on and losing the next 2 after that - he will really be in danger then I think.
we've gotten into such a mess the last seven games that if we were to lose to D&R and then lose by 3+ to Saints it would be very tricky for him to remain in place tbh.
Praying for some points on Saturday to arrest the freefall.
How about swapping Colin Powell with Chris Powell Let Colin Powell manage the team, and put Chris Powell on the lawnmower. Chris might be more successful as a groundsman.
I can't beleive a terrible thread about sacking a manager after 11 games has had so many responses. Not even going to bother reading through it. What a bore.
[cite]Posted By: Athletico Charlton[/cite]I can't beleive a terrible thread about sacking a manager after 11 games has had so many responses. Not even going to bother reading through it. What a bore.
And you just spoilt it by posting comment #285, it was fine with 284 but you had to go and ruin it!
Come on - what a joke. This season is a write off - only when Powell has a pre season and has had the chance to bring in 5 or 10 of his own players can we judge him really. The current group of players is as bad as I have ever seen at the Valley. Francis, Dailly, Doherty, Llera, McCormack are all "sins of our fathers" and nothing to do with Powell. I refer back to Ian Holloway's eloquant comment - "You can put lipstick on a pig...but it's still a pig". We've got one poor, fat, lazy, substandard pig - i.e. the majortity of our players. Powell used a bit of lipstick for the first few games and we looked ok in the dark lights of the disco. However Two O' Clock came round and the lights came on - and bloddy hell were we left holding one damn ugly pig. It's going to be a long few months til the end of the season - then the pig can be slaughted and we can try to rebuild the farm. Okay it's fair to say that an experienced manager might have come with a full make up bag and patched up our pig a little more. We may have even be able to take it to market. However hopefully Powell is learning (the hard way) and next season we'll come back better. The club needs stability and we need to grit and take a bit of this - as hard as this must seem. No offence is intended to Ralph Milne on the pig metaphor. p.s. hopefully the new Director of Football may help - this is a positive in my eyes. Keep the faith...
[cite]Posted By: AndyHuntUpFront[/cite]Come on - what a joke. This season is a write off - only when Powell has a pre season and has had the chance to bring in 5 or 10 of his own players can we judge him really. The current group of players is as bad as I have ever seen at the Valley. Francis, Dailly, Doherty, Llera, McCormack are all "sins of our fathers" and nothing to do with Powell.
Unfair to include Dailly in that list. Player of the year last season and no doubt looks worse with the players around him.
[cite]Posted By: AndyHuntUpFront[/cite]Come on - what a joke. This season is a write off - only when Powell has a pre season and has had the chance to bring in 5 or 10 of his own players can we judge him really. The current group of players is as bad as I have ever seen at the Valley. Francis, Dailly, Doherty, Llera, McCormack are all "sins of our fathers" and nothing to do with Powell.
Unfair to include Dailly in that list. Player of the year last season and no doubt looks worse with the players around him.
He was only player of the year because all the Millwall fans voted for him on line
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: AndyHuntUpFront[/cite]Come on - what a joke. This season is a write off - only when Powell has a pre season and has had the chance to bring in 5 or 10 of his own players can we judge him really. The current group of players is as bad as I have ever seen at the Valley. Francis, Dailly, Doherty, Llera, McCormack are all "sins of our fathers" and nothing to do with Powell.
Unfair to include Dailly in that list. Player of the year last season and no doubt looks worse with the players around him.
He was only player of the year because all the Millwall fans voted for him on line
Untrue: Most of the votes from the SeasonTicket books had Dailly infront of others.
[cite]Posted By: AndyHuntUpFront[/cite]Come on - what a joke. This season is a write off - only when Powell has a pre season and has had the chance to bring in 5 or 10 of his own players can we judge him really. The current group of players is as bad as I have ever seen at the Valley. Francis, Dailly, Doherty, Llera, McCormack are all "sins of our fathers" and nothing to do with Powell.
Unfair to include Dailly in that list. Player of the year last season and no doubt looks worse with the players around him.
He was only player of the year because all the Millwall fans voted for him on line
Untrue: Most of the votes from the SeasonTicket books had Dailly infront of others.
Dosen't make it untrue does it, I am sure a lot of Charlton fans voted for him as you say but as we all know the on line voting system was a joke last year and it was abused by Millwall fans, I know plenty of spanners that voted multiple times for him and the word soon went round
I'm afraid as much as we don't like it we are gonna have to bite the bullet & watch our season peter out to nothing.
What I hope for is a statement of intent from the Board from May onwards with the type of players we start to sign & I hope Jeff Vetere has been brought in to assist Powell with that process. I hope Everyone who is out of contract of which I understand there are 11 or 12 are all let go, these are players who have been with us overseeing our every failure after failure year after year, that includes the likes of Racon, Semedo. We have had a clear out a board level, now at management & coaching level, next is at player level. In fact I would keep hardly any of the squad with the exception of Wright Phillips & Jackson the rest simply ain't good enough.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite] In fact I would keep hardly any of the squad with the exception of Wright Phillips & Jackson the rest simply ain't good enough.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I'm afraid as much as we don't like it we are gonna have to bite the bullet & watch our season peter out to nothing.
What I hope for is a statement of intent from the Board from May onwards with the type of players we start to sign & I hope Jeff Vetere has been brought in to assist Powell with that process. I hope Everyone who is out of contract of which I understand there are 11 or 12 are all let go, these are players who have been with us overseeing our every failure after failure year after year, that includes the likes of Racon, Semedo. We have had a clear out a board level, now at management & coaching level, next is at player level. In fact I would keep hardly any of the squad with the exception of Wright Phillips & Jackson the rest simply ain't good enough.[/quote]
I have to say i agree with this. It would be hard not to keep Semedo as he always gives 100%. But these players have got us to 12th in the third division and i believe we will finish the season lower than that position. We have not been good enough for a long time. I am surprised how badly some of the players have performed this season. Reid is a case in point, he started the season really well but looks a shadow of the player he was.Is it confidence?
I don't mind keeping Semedo if we're serious about playing some sort of 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. However if we're going to end up playing 4-4-2 he's of little use.
[cite]Posted By: dickplumb[/cite]Reid is a case in point, he started the season really well but looks a shadow of the player he was.Is it confidence?
Powell needs to decide on a system, build a strong spine and that'll help get the best out of players like Reid.
As I said yesterday we don't need to get rid of 20 odd players. We have some we can get more out of with a better team around them, Reid and Waggy are at least two. Concentrate on signing better quality first choice players rather than replacing an entire squad in one summer.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]I don't mind keeping Semedo if we're serious about playing some sort of 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. However if we're going to end up playing 4-4-2 he's of little use.
Agree with Ketman, and something tells me we are in for a huge player turnaround this summer.
The players will know that of course, as talks with agents with regard to next season would have been started a few months ago.
Powell has a mega job on his hands. Needs to get results to bring some supporter and board confidence for next season, whilst trying to get a positive reaction from players who probably know they will be somewhere else next season.
Exactly - the system needs to drive the future decisions. I think MCs post was good but don't agree with everything he said. Sometimes the difference between a mistake and success is a bit of luck. You can undertsand why we didn't keep Curbs for another season - a mistake with hindsight yes, butMurray left time to find a replacement. Were all of Dowie's signings terrible?- I say watching Diawara in the champions league last night and thinking about Andy Reid no. Traore had played for Liverpool in Europe relatively recently and Faye was a punt as Dowie new what was needed in midfield but no options were available on the market - Faye just didn't pay off. But with the evidence of hindsight you can be more damining. The biggest mistake the club made was sacking Dowie and I think the reasons were more than our league position which was retrievable. Had the punts they subsequently took paid off - we would be praising their courage - but as we all know they didn't.
Collins seems to put all of our current predicament on the players but I believe we do have some good players and some of them are an easy target. They were the form team in November! Powell obviously has played a role in the recent decline- but that can happen. I was disapointed when we sacked Parky but very happy when we appointed Powell and I do believe in him. I just think you have to be honest and say Powell has played his part trying to change things - my take is that he has a) been a bit unlucky with injuries b) maybe not known the players limitations well enough c) Left things too long in games before making changes & d) become a victim of a lack of spine some players possess, which means confidence can be lost too easily. But Powell wasn't brought in to carry on where Parky left off and the transition which we were teased into thinking would be relatively painless is proving a bit harder.
I agree that we have to stick with Powell and support him. Changing manager now would probably do more harm than good. He will always be a legend and I believe he can be as a manager for us and I long for the day when we look back on this period with a smile on our faces. I do agree that we should be grateful to the board for ensuring that we have a club and when you take a step back we are in a better position than we were even though the league position is disasterous. But whilst there is every reason to suspect the future will be brighter, the present is a pretty depressing place to inhabit and the fact remains- going to the Valley at the moment is more of a chore than a pleasure. I will always support Charlton - through thick and thin but it worries me that my 10 year old boy who should be excited about going football has to be dragged along - in fact it breaks my heart. I'm sure many other future fans have a similar outlook and damage is being done to the club on all sorts of levels. I think it is reasonable to give Powell our support and time but also expect improvement within a reasonable timeframe- this season. He is a new manager and is learning but you need to see some evidence going forwards of the lessons actually being learned. I dearly want him to succeed but I don't possess the same 100% confidence as Collins seems to. However, I still think it is more likely that Powell will be a success than a failiure so that's something I suppose. We probably need to see some actions rather than words now - maybe Bessone coming back, and the recent loans will effect a change and we will go on a positive run. Who knows with Charlton!
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He's been back for a few games now, seems to like shouting 'What are you going to do now,
Mr Powell?' repeatedly. Would be understandable, but he starts shouting after about 5 minutes and doesn't stop. Seems a bit beaten down by the performances, he's not the aggressive old fella he once was. He does liven the game up, gives everyone else a laugh/distraction from the crap on the pitch.
Think we're all looking for someone to point the finger at, but to do that we need to go back to the appointments of Dowie/Reed/Pardew. People can argue that parky was also a wrong choice but the state the club was in at the time, a sinking ship for all to see, I very much doubt that anyone with a half decent pedigree handed in their CV at the time.
Parky can't be blamed as far as i see it. Yeah, he brought in players of a very questionable standard, but do you honestly think that another manager could have got a better squad with no money to spend? Then to perform above (resonable) expectations and get into the play-offs, miss out, only to have the team ripped apart and start again from scratch. The team that Powell has inheireted is one that is capable of holding it's own in this division but no more than that.
Now after 6 weeks into his new job, some of you guys are beginning it seems to question his ability to run this club. Yes, he's inexperienced and all that but I honestly think if we appointed Alex ferguson with Curbs as his No2 then they still would do no better. There's an old saying about only being as good as your tools.........
We can't even blame the players, as (with the odd exception) they go onto the pitch and give their all for 90 mins. If they're not good enough for our expectations then can we really blame them? They are after all, 3rd division players doing what it says on the tin.
Just seems that too many people think we have a god given right to gain promotion without taking into account that facts of how we got into this mess in the first place.
If we lose to D&R on Saturday you can see us going on and losing the next 2 after that - he will really be in danger then I think. If we get a result on Saturday - I could see us getting results against Saints and Bournemouth. Confidence is the big issue to address right now- the sort of lack of confidence that results in chances being missed that we would normally capitalise on.
Praying for some points on Saturday to arrest the freefall.
After reading that piece by Mick Collins I have re-assessed my whole position on Powell and the future of Charlton.
....I feel a little humbled and have a strange, nagging guilty feeling!
I suppose we must give them a chance after reading that!
UP THE ADDICKS
Let Colin Powell manage the team, and put Chris Powell on the lawnmower.
Chris might be more successful as a groundsman.
And you just spoilt it by posting comment #285, it was fine with 284 but you had to go and ruin it!
Thanks!
After reading that piece by Mick Collins I have re-assessed my whole position on Powell and the future of Charlton.
....I feel a little humbled and have a strange, nagging guilty feeling!
I suppose we must give them a chance after reading that!
UP THE ADDICKS[/quote]
Booooooooooooo.
I much prefer the old DFT.
LOL, yeah I do get angry...........only because I care so much about the club I love.
If it all goes wrong next season I'll be the first in the queue to hang Mr Powell!
I hope it doesn't come to that!
He was only player of the year because all the Millwall fans voted for him on line
Untrue: Most of the votes from the SeasonTicket books had Dailly infront of others.
Dosen't make it untrue does it, I am sure a lot of Charlton fans voted for him as you say but as we all know the on line voting system was a joke last year and it was abused by Millwall fans, I know plenty of spanners that voted multiple times for him and the word soon went round
exactly i voted for him as my player of the year and my vote is worth a million of anyone elses vote ... so he won
What I hope for is a statement of intent from the Board from May onwards with the type of players we start to sign & I hope Jeff Vetere has been brought in to assist Powell with that process. I hope Everyone who is out of contract of which I understand there are 11 or 12 are all let go, these are players who have been with us overseeing our every failure after failure year after year, that includes the likes of Racon, Semedo. We have had a clear out a board level, now at management & coaching level, next is at player level. In fact I would keep hardly any of the squad with the exception of Wright Phillips & Jackson the rest simply ain't good enough.
what son of rick says
What I hope for is a statement of intent from the Board from May onwards with the type of players we start to sign & I hope Jeff Vetere has been brought in to assist Powell with that process. I hope Everyone who is out of contract of which I understand there are 11 or 12 are all let go, these are players who have been with us overseeing our every failure after failure year after year, that includes the likes of Racon, Semedo. We have had a clear out a board level, now at management & coaching level, next is at player level. In fact I would keep hardly any of the squad with the exception of Wright Phillips & Jackson the rest simply ain't good enough.[/quote]
I have to say i agree with this. It would be hard not to keep Semedo as he always gives 100%. But these players have got us to 12th in the third division and i believe we will finish the season lower than that position. We have not been good enough for a long time. I am surprised how badly some of the players have performed this season. Reid is a case in point, he started the season really well but looks a shadow of the player he was.Is it confidence?
As I said yesterday we don't need to get rid of 20 odd players. We have some we can get more out of with a better team around them, Reid and Waggy are at least two. Concentrate on signing better quality first choice players rather than replacing an entire squad in one summer.
Agree
The players will know that of course, as talks with agents with regard to next season would have been started a few months ago.
Powell has a mega job on his hands. Needs to get results to bring some supporter and board confidence for next season, whilst trying to get a positive reaction from players who probably know they will be somewhere else next season.
Collins seems to put all of our current predicament on the players but I believe we do have some good players and some of them are an easy target. They were the form team in November! Powell obviously has played a role in the recent decline- but that can happen. I was disapointed when we sacked Parky but very happy when we appointed Powell and I do believe in him. I just think you have to be honest and say Powell has played his part trying to change things - my take is that he has a) been a bit unlucky with injuries b) maybe not known the players limitations well enough c) Left things too long in games before making changes & d) become a victim of a lack of spine some players possess, which means confidence can be lost too easily. But Powell wasn't brought in to carry on where Parky left off and the transition which we were teased into thinking would be relatively painless is proving a bit harder.
I agree that we have to stick with Powell and support him. Changing manager now would probably do more harm than good. He will always be a legend and I believe he can be as a manager for us and I long for the day when we look back on this period with a smile on our faces. I do agree that we should be grateful to the board for ensuring that we have a club and when you take a step back we are in a better position than we were even though the league position is disasterous. But whilst there is every reason to suspect the future will be brighter, the present is a pretty depressing place to inhabit and the fact remains- going to the Valley at the moment is more of a chore than a pleasure. I will always support Charlton - through thick and thin but it worries me that my 10 year old boy who should be excited about going football has to be dragged along - in fact it breaks my heart. I'm sure many other future fans have a similar outlook and damage is being done to the club on all sorts of levels. I think it is reasonable to give Powell our support and time but also expect improvement within a reasonable timeframe- this season. He is a new manager and is learning but you need to see some evidence going forwards of the lessons actually being learned. I dearly want him to succeed but I don't possess the same 100% confidence as Collins seems to. However, I still think it is more likely that Powell will be a success than a failiure so that's something I suppose. We probably need to see some actions rather than words now - maybe Bessone coming back, and the recent loans will effect a change and we will go on a positive run. Who knows with Charlton!