As a Parky supporter - I always thought his weakness was that he was a bit too cautious. Powell has tried to get us playing more football and it is clearly exposing the weaknesses in some of the players ability and character wise. He has had some injury problems too which haven't helped. Parky probably had a much better insight to the limitations of the squad than any of us had. Powell can turn things round- just we don't know whether he has the ability or not to be fair - there is no history to look back on. For that reason, we need to forget about play offs or relegation and see evolution - he needs to demonstrate that he has it in him to move us in the right direction so he can be trusted next season. He will always be a legend and we shouldn't write him off but this is a real challenge for him - the sort of challenge you would back somebody like Powell to come out of positively.
The positive is that if Powell did manage to get us in the play offs from this position, we would be on such a roll that we would probably win them lol
Look at Orient, cack last season Still comes in still cack and just stay up. Cack at the begining of this season but the Still has had the time to coach them in the way he wants them to play and they are on an outstanding 14 game unbeaten league run and will get into the playoffs. Time is whats needed we aren't going to get relegated this season so lets just see what happens in the summer. I think CP now knows who wants to play for him and who dosn't and so we should expect a mass clear out in the summer.
[cite]Posted By: gazzaddick[/cite]we should expect a mass clear out in the summer.
Like the mass clearout we had last season, and the season before ? The problem with these “mass clearout”s is that you invariably end up with worse players than you started with. I’m not sure if there are actually 11 worse players than those we’ve had the last six weeks, but I’m sure we can find them if they’re out there.
I would imagine that rebuilding the squad into something resembling a side capable of promotion would cost £5-6m, so far there’s been no indication whatsoever that our new owners have that sort of money.
In terms of rebuilding what we need is to build the strong spine - a good keeper, two decent CBs, a defensive and an attacking midfielder and a 20-25 a season goal scorer.
In our current squad we have acquired the latter in BWP, and have in Joe A a decent partner, we have Semedo if he stays as our defensive midfielder and Elliot is a good keeper for L1. I'd suggest that we need only two good CBs and a decent attacking midfielder. On the left we have Jackson/Reid and Wagstaff on the right, and need to find a new RB and LB, but we have Solly and Jenkinson to compete at RB and maybe Youga will re-sign at LB, that is if he ever kicks a ball again.
For a reasonable outlay we could have a strong side next year by building on what we already have. No need to have a mass clearout. Just to focus on replacing the journeymen players and make sure the key positions are filled with quality players.
We do have some decent players for this level who might benefit from players who compliment them being brought in. Powell has to identify how he wants to play and who he needs to play that way.
Parky - Were we right to sack Parky, yes of course we were, we all go to the games, we all knew there was something missing, call it the 'X' factor if you like, Parky did not have it at Charlton, he might fit in at another club, nice bloke an all that but, his time was up.
Powell - Should we sack Powell, no of course not, did some of us have reservations regarding his appointment, yes some did, winning the first 4 games thrust him further up the pedestal, to which he is falling down from. The SCP but sums that up. So if he had won and lost every other game, most I assume, would be saying 'he's getting to know the team and experimenting with his best 11'. I did not go on saturday, i listened on the radio, Bradley Allen, commentationg said with the amount of chances, there is no way this is goint to finish 0-0. This is very encouraging, the previous games I have seen there was quite a lot of chances. So we do not get promotion this season, you dont always get what you want in football, but I have seen enough to back Powell, he and his manageral team will have some dough to spend in the summer, if he gets the players in that can play the way he wants, in 12 months time we could be sitting pretty at the top of L1. I've supported us long enough to know that if its easy street you want for the football team you support, you're at the wrong place at SE7.
We quite easily could be- good post. I suppose its a question of Faith - I have it in Powell but the problem with Faith is that it is belief without evidence. I hope my faith is justified that's all.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]
Blinde Freddie could tell you we need a pacy centre-half, a creative midfielder and a target-man/link-player and so far we have brought nobody into those positions at all apart from a couple of rookie loanees and that worries me.
At least under Parky we were scrappy and hard to beat but now we are seemingly there for the taking and we just seem rudderless.
But we can't realistically sign anything other than rookie loans at this stage of the season ???
I know we can't make permanent signings but we can - or could, I am not sure when the deadline expires - bring in anyone at all in on loan from a rookie to a 350 game player.
So far we have brought in three novice players in Ecclestone, Nouble and the kid from Spurs and nobody - apart from the crocked Bessone - with any experience and certainly not in the positions we need help in.
Nobody can expect three youngsters with a handful of FL games between them to seriously turn us around.
When I was a student I went to Man Utd v Tottenham at Old trafford (1990?). Spurs won 3-0 and the Man U fans spent much of the second half chanting 'Bye Bye Fergie'. He was on a bad run and they wanted him out, but the board decided to give him a chance to prove himself and look what happened. I think the lesson is obvious.
[quote][cite]Posted By: gazzaddick[/cite]Look at Orient, cack last season Still comes in still cack and just stay up. Cack at the begining of this season but the Still has had the time to coach them in the way he wants them to play and they are on an outstanding 14 game unbeaten league run and will get into the playoffs. Time is whats needed we aren't going to get relegated this season so lets just see what happens in the summer. I think CP now knows who wants to play for him and who dosn't and so we should expect a mass clear out in the summer.[/quote]
Russell Slade , I think, Still is at the daggers. Good point though.
Anyway best thread for ages with at least four or five fights within between lifers.Quality
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]We miss the likes of Sam, Bailey, Richardson, Burton for sure.
Really? And we were still heading in the wrong direction with those players.
we were a mere two points off automatic, not sure how that is heading in the wrong direction - we could well have been up there with Brighton if we'd been able to keep them.
wer the hell wer u parky lovers when he was here? he was terrible. enda the day the players just arnt good enough. every team at the valley seem so much more comfortable on the ball. need to go back to drawing board, clear them all out, start a fresh. think whole midfield are out of contract in the summer anyway
[quote][cite]Posted By: benjest1989[/cite]wer the hell wer u parky lovers when he was here? he was terrible. enda the day the players just arnt good enough. every team at the valley seem so much more comfortable on the ball. need to go back to drawing board, clear them all out, start a fresh. think whole midfield are out of contract in the summer anyway[/quote] watching crap football get us two points from the automatic places. simples. thank you for asking
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]
Blinde Freddie could tell you we need a pacy centre-half, a creative midfielder and a target-man/link-player and so far we have brought nobody into those positions at all apart from a couple of rookie loanees and that worries me.
At least under Parky we were scrappy and hard to beat but now we are seemingly there for the taking and we just seem rudderless.
But we can't realistically sign anything other than rookie loans at this stage of the season ???
I know we can't make permanent signings but we can - or could, I am not sure when the deadline expires - bring in anyone at all in on loan from a rookie to a 350 game player.
So far we have brought in three novice players in Ecclestone, Nouble and the kid from Spurs and nobody - apart from the crocked Bessone - with any experience and certainly not in the positions we need help in.
Nobody can expect three youngsters with a handful of FL games between them to seriously turn us around.
Show me the great opportunity that Powell missed out on from this lot Ormie?! I'm talking about players joining L1 clubs or lower.....
How can you compare Poyet's record to Powell's. He's changed the whole way Brighton players think about playing. With a massive overhaul like this comes inconsistency in results, I can't see any major shift in playing style between Powell and the previous manager to warrant any true comparison. Yet, hopefully !
[cite]Posted By: wellie[/cite]How can you compare Poyet's record to Powell's. He's changed the whole way Brighton players think about playing. With a massive overhaul like this comes inconsistency in results, I can't see any major shift in playing style between Powell and the previous manager to warrant any true comparison. Yet, hopefully !
Well Poyet's team weren't playing the quality of football they are now within 10 games of Poyet taking over were they?
I seem to remember thinking when we brought Powell in that this was the new owners giving the fans what they wanted in the face of resistance to Wise. I wonder if, having given us enough rope to hang ourselves for the rest of the season they will bring Wise in in the summer, safe in the knowledge that we would probably be thankful, or at least too demoralised to kick off about it.
Or is this just hindsight and somethin I would have conveniently "forgotten" if we were now in the automatic promo spots and playing like Barca.
Or, for that matter, am I naively overestimating how much of a damn the owners give about what we think?
I think they brought Powell in for an instant lift and to be fair they got it. The problem is that after that lift, the baloon hasn't slowly deflated but burst. Powell has had injury issues to contend with and has been fishing around for the right balance but without the quality and confidence where it matters, the end result remains the same. Things I have noticed is that when we attack we don't seem to get the bodies up that other teams manage - something to look at going forwards.
The quality of our final ball is so awful -it defies the law of averages (you would expect a few more decent balls out of pure good fortune). Our finishing - despite having very good strikers on paper has been terrible recently.
When we pass the ball at the back it can seem like a hot potato at times- Dailly has been an issue has his distribution has been very poor for me. We are always good for a defensive slip up - you don't have to be good to get through but knock on the door - too few times in all honesty.
All very negative but if you see what is wrong then it should help you plan what needs to happen to make it right. Does it need wholesale changes to address these issues - maybe- maybe not. You have to firstly decide who is not good enough - that doesn't mean they have poor attitudes and don't give their all but simply- they are not good enough - McCormack tops my list - Personally I think Francis could be a decent player for us - yes mistakes have crept in but he has been criticised when he has had good games and he doesn't hide like some others do. I'd love to see people get of his back and I don't see him as a player we should lose.
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When did it all start to change then, tell me the 12th game onwards!
That's got to be stat of the day. Nice one.
Like the mass clearout we had last season, and the season before ? The problem with these “mass clearout”s is that you invariably end up with worse players than you started with. I’m not sure if there are actually 11 worse players than those we’ve had the last six weeks, but I’m sure we can find them if they’re out there.
I would imagine that rebuilding the squad into something resembling a side capable of promotion would cost £5-6m, so far there’s been no indication whatsoever that our new owners have that sort of money.
In our current squad we have acquired the latter in BWP, and have in Joe A a decent partner, we have Semedo if he stays as our defensive midfielder and Elliot is a good keeper for L1. I'd suggest that we need only two good CBs and a decent attacking midfielder. On the left we have Jackson/Reid and Wagstaff on the right, and need to find a new RB and LB, but we have Solly and Jenkinson to compete at RB and maybe Youga will re-sign at LB, that is if he ever kicks a ball again.
For a reasonable outlay we could have a strong side next year by building on what we already have. No need to have a mass clearout. Just to focus on replacing the journeymen players and make sure the key positions are filled with quality players.
haha, at least I didn't get thrown off twitter
Parky - Were we right to sack Parky, yes of course we were, we all go to the games, we all knew there was something missing, call it the 'X' factor if you like, Parky did not have it at Charlton, he might fit in at another club, nice bloke an all that but, his time was up.
Powell - Should we sack Powell, no of course not, did some of us have reservations regarding his appointment, yes some did, winning the first 4 games thrust him further up the pedestal, to which he is falling down from. The SCP but sums that up. So if he had won and lost every other game, most I assume, would be saying 'he's getting to know the team and experimenting with his best 11'. I did not go on saturday, i listened on the radio, Bradley Allen, commentationg said with the amount of chances, there is no way this is goint to finish 0-0. This is very encouraging, the previous games I have seen there was quite a lot of chances. So we do not get promotion this season, you dont always get what you want in football, but I have seen enough to back Powell, he and his manageral team will have some dough to spend in the summer, if he gets the players in that can play the way he wants, in 12 months time we could be sitting pretty at the top of L1.
I've supported us long enough to know that if its easy street you want for the football team you support, you're at the wrong place at SE7.
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I know we can't make permanent signings but we can - or could, I am not sure when the deadline expires - bring in anyone at all in on loan from a rookie to a 350 game player.
So far we have brought in three novice players in Ecclestone, Nouble and the kid from Spurs and nobody - apart from the crocked Bessone - with any experience and certainly not in the positions we need help in.
Nobody can expect three youngsters with a handful of FL games between them to seriously turn us around.
I think the lesson is obvious.
We need to get Alex Ferguson in.
Russell Slade , I think, Still is at the daggers. Good point though.
Anyway best thread for ages with at least four or five fights within between lifers.Quality
Really? And we were still heading in the wrong direction with those players.
Really? And we were still heading in the wrong direction with those players.[/quote]
I think we miss lampard, drogba rooney and giggs
enda the day the players just arnt good enough. every team at the valley seem so much more comfortable on the ball. need to go back to drawing board, clear them all out, start a fresh.
think whole midfield are out of contract in the summer anyway
enda the day the players just arnt good enough. every team at the valley seem so much more comfortable on the ball. need to go back to drawing board, clear them all out, start a fresh.
think whole midfield are out of contract in the summer anyway[/quote]
watching crap football get us two points from the automatic places. simples. thank you for asking
Show me the great opportunity that Powell missed out on from this lot Ormie?! I'm talking about players joining L1 clubs or lower.....
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Well Poyet's team weren't playing the quality of football they are now within 10 games of Poyet taking over were they?
Or is this just hindsight and somethin I would have conveniently "forgotten" if we were now in the automatic promo spots and playing like Barca.
Or, for that matter, am I naively overestimating how much of a damn the owners give about what we think?
The quality of our final ball is so awful -it defies the law of averages (you would expect a few more decent balls out of pure good fortune). Our finishing - despite having very good strikers on paper has been terrible recently.
When we pass the ball at the back it can seem like a hot potato at times- Dailly has been an issue has his distribution has been very poor for me. We are always good for a defensive slip up - you don't have to be good to get through but knock on the door - too few times in all honesty.
All very negative but if you see what is wrong then it should help you plan what needs to happen to make it right. Does it need wholesale changes to address these issues - maybe- maybe not. You have to firstly decide who is not good enough - that doesn't mean they have poor attitudes and don't give their all but simply- they are not good enough - McCormack tops my list - Personally I think Francis could be a decent player for us - yes mistakes have crept in but he has been criticised when he has had good games and he doesn't hide like some others do. I'd love to see people get of his back and I don't see him as a player we should lose.