Good point nolly..........we bring in new players in the summer , it will fail again under powell ( just not cut out to be a manager) and people will be blaming the board. Powell is not a manager ffs.
to play a central midfield of Semedo and McCormack is a sign of a very desperate man, who doesn't know his best team.To leave Eccleston on the bench was another bad/desperate decision.I said when he was appointed it was the wrong decision and nothing has happened to change my mind. The board will either back him with big money or sack him, I don't think Mr Jiminez will muck around.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]I bet Phil Parkinson is laughing his bollocks off.
I bet he isn't. He was a decent man and he wouldn't be so juvenile or vindictive.
And I bet he'd be embarassed by this thread, and the fact that ten weeks after he was sacked, some supporters have stubbornly refused to move on - because I'm sure he has.
The truth is we were a poor team under Parkinson and we're just as poor a team under Powell. I think we've won five of our last 21 games in all comps - one in ten prior to Powell and four in eleven since he arrived. So please keep some perspective.
Neither Parkinson nor Powell could be expected to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. There are so many players in our squad who just aren't good enough, even for division three. The time to make our judgement is after the mass clear-out that will happen this summer and when Powell had been able to assemble his own team.
Meanwhile, can we just move on from bloody Parkinson and his grim era - and forget about Pardew and Dowie and even Curbishley . We need to deal with the here and now, and more importantly, the future. Which I'm convinced is going to be bright , once the dregs we signed in the last couple of ghastly, nightmare years have been moved on.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I honestly believe we'd be in or around the playoffs without a change (board or manager).
I'm not sure about that WSS, cos we don't know who we'd have had to sell in the transfer window if it hadn't been for the takeover.
Personally I think we'd have gone through to the summer regardless. Besides, who would we have sold (and who would be mad enough to have bought them?!)
CP needs to do the right thing and resign Monday morning. I think he knows he is out of his depth. Sometimes you have to put your hands up and be honest about yourself when your not up to it.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite] We were NEVER this bad under Parkinson in this League.
You have a very, very short memory.
Off the top of my head, I can remember home matches v Notts County (which by some freak we won!), Brighton, Walsall and Swindon in which we were far worse than we were today.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Personally I think we'd have gone through to the summer regardless. Besides, who would we have sold (and who would be mad enough to have bought them?!)
Aren't Semedo and Racon out of contract in the summer? As the highest earners, any money we could have got for them in Jan would have been a bonus, to the savings on the wages bill. Suspect we'd have had more takers for Semedo than Racon tho..
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]The truth is we were a poor team under Parkinson and we're just as poor a team under Powell.
No, we're much worse under Powell. We were NEVER this bad under Parkinson in this League.
You have a very, very short memory.
Off the top of my head, I can remember home matches v Notts County (which by some freak we won!), Brighton, Walsall and Swindon in which we were far worse than we were today.
Absolutely off your rocker.
When did Parkinson get 1 point from SEVEN games in this league.
Forget performances, the main thing is getting out of this horrible pit.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]I bet Phil Parkinson is laughing his bollocks off.
I bet he isn't. He was a decent man and he wouldn't be so juvenile or vindictive.
And I bet he'd be embarassed by this thread, and the fact that ten weeks after he was sacked, some supporters have stubbornly refused to move on - because I'm sure he has.
The truth is we were a poor team under Parkinson and we're just as poor a team under Powell. I think we've won five of our last 21 games in all comps - one in ten prior to Powell and four in eleven since he arrived. So please keep some perspective.
Neither Parkinson nor Powell could be expected to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. There are so many players in our squad who just aren't good enough, even for division three. The time to make our judgement is after the mass clear-out that will happen this summer and when Powell had been able to assemble his own team.
Meanwhile, can we just move on from bloody Parkinson and his grim era - and forget about Pardew and Dowie and even Curbishley . We need to deal with the here and now, and more importantly, the future. Which I'm convinced is going to be bright , once the dregs we signed in the last couple of ghastly, nightmare years have been moved on.
Parkinson was treated like crap by many Charlton supporters and ultimately by Slater who backed him and then sacked him in the same week, if he were not having a wry smile at how things have turned out then I would be very surprised.
After all, the worse we do then the better his record looks, nothing juvenile about that in a cut-throat game like professional football.
If we were a "poor team" under Parkinson then what on earth are we now? We are far, far worse and the plain facts of the matter are there for all to see. We had 6 losses in 22 under Parkinson and now 6 in 11 under Powell, you don't have to be Stephen Hawking to put those figures into "perspective."
As for "moving on" from Parkinson's "grim era" - would that be the one where we were ONE POINT from automatic promotion last season on meagre resources and the one in which he left us in FIFTH POSITION in L1 in January?
Feck me, I would kill for that kind of grimness right now.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]So you'd rather we lost games and played well rather than win the games like Notts County?
Actually, WSS, I'd rather play well and win games. And oddly enough, 90 per cent of the time there is a strong correlation between the two!
As for Ormy getting all misty-eyed and nostalgic for the golden season of 2009-10 - you are being ironic. Aren't you ?
Move on! New owners, new manager - and come the summer, new players. So this is a time to look forward to next season with hope , not to look back at the failures of the past few years with bitterness and recrimination.
All you lot are totally ignorant if you want Powell to be sacked after 2 months. I listen to opinions but say if we sack Powell who are we going to get? And I bet after two months you will be saying the same thing again.
The signs have been there all season and a change of manager was never really going to do much about it. I thought the biggest mistakes in January was taking 2 weeks to bring in CP and then over a week to bring in BWP. Anyone with half a brain could see we have no pace at the back, have an inconsistent central midfield, only one genuine left-footer who is far from the finished article and either unfit or out of their depth strikers.
Really the defence should have been paramount as the other problems can be sorted out during training. The two ex-Southend lads have been a disappointment and no-team can cut corners if it is aiming for promotion.
Our season is over now because our squad is not good enough to stay consistent. I would invest more in the summer and get rid of most the crap Parky bought in like Francis.
Wagstaff, Jenkinson, Anyisah, BWP, Semedo or Racon and Reid are the only players who should stay and help us next season, the rest of the first team players can just go.
I think we should all take a deep breath and ride out the storm.It is not the right time to sack the Manager no matter how he is doing at the moment. We need stability and we need to take the medicine that is being handed out this season.The time to judge is next season when it is more Powell's team.
[cite]Posted By: dickplumb[/cite]I think we should all take a deep breath and ride out the storm.It is not the right time to sack the Manager no matter how he is doing at the moment. We need stability and we need to take the medicine that is being handed out this season.The time to judge is next season when it is more Powell's team.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]So you'd rather we lost games and played well rather than win the games like Notts County?
Actually, WSS, I'd rather play well and win games. And oddly enough, 90 per cent of the time there is a strong correlation between the two!
As for Ormy getting all misty-eyed and nostalgic for the golden season of 2009-10 - you are being ironic. Aren't you ?
Move on! New owners, new manager - and come the summer, new players. So this is a time to look forward to next season with hope , not to look back at the failures of the past few years with bitterness and recrimination.
I feel like I'm turning into the new Oggy!
Ah, sarcasm, the last refuge, eh?
I think you'll find that most people would consider finishing two points from automatic promotion and losing only 8 games all season in 09/10 under Parkinson as very much a "golden period" in comparison to being 11th and losing six games from seven under Chris Powell.
Nobody likes being in L1 but at least under Parkinson we looked vaguely like getting out of it, under the sainted Powell we have got worse and worse and the team is an absolute shambles.
Please tell me a single improvement made under Powell? I can't see a single one in either results or performances.
[cite]Posted By: dickplumb[/cite]I think we should all take a deep breath and ride out the storm.It is not the right time to sack the Manager no matter how he is doing at the moment. We need stability and we need to take the medicine that is being handed out this season.The time to judge is next season when it is more Powell's team.
Couldn't agree more DP. I'm as sad and bewildered as to what's happening to my club as the next but the last thing we need now is a knee jerk reaction from either the board or the fans. Chris Powell's no idiot and I'm sure given time to sort out who he wants from the curent crop (I suspect very few) and have a pre-season to work with the team without the pressure of having to win games twice a week we will see a far more competitive team next year.
I'm rather down after the result today but had to laugh when Insufferable Addick, who was constantly telling us how much better things were and that everything had changed as he constantly referred back to the Parky era, is now telling us to move on.
Shame he couldn't take his own advice a few weeks back as he gloated for England and told us 99% of fans were still behind Powell continuing till next season.
As for Powell time for a poll similar to the one about Parky after the Brighton game.
1Go now
2Give till end of season to show improvement
3Give him next season to show what he can do
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Agree with Chris_From_Sidcup I can't see a game plan. We seem to have no pattern of play.
I bet he isn't. He was a decent man and he wouldn't be so juvenile or vindictive.
And I bet he'd be embarassed by this thread, and the fact that ten weeks after he was sacked, some supporters have stubbornly refused to move on - because I'm sure he has.
The truth is we were a poor team under Parkinson and we're just as poor a team under Powell. I think we've won five of our last 21 games in all comps - one in ten prior to Powell and four in eleven since he arrived. So please keep some perspective.
Neither Parkinson nor Powell could be expected to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. There are so many players in our squad who just aren't good enough, even for division three. The time to make our judgement is after the mass clear-out that will happen this summer and when Powell had been able to assemble his own team.
Meanwhile, can we just move on from bloody Parkinson and his grim era - and forget about Pardew and Dowie and even Curbishley . We need to deal with the here and now, and more importantly, the future. Which I'm convinced is going to be bright , once the dregs we signed in the last couple of ghastly, nightmare years have been moved on.
We were safely in the play offs when Parky was sacked, I cant even bear to look at the table but I dont think we are there now.
(That's sarcasm btw for those with short sightedness, selective memories and child like patience)
You have a very, very short memory.
Off the top of my head, I can remember home matches v Notts County (which by some freak we won!), Brighton, Walsall and Swindon in which we were far worse than we were today.
In terms of a run of results this is rock bottom. And it is a results business of course.
Brigton, Walsalll, Swindon - I'll raise you with Exeter, MK Dons, Brentford and Carlisle.
Same as last year. And the year before.
Terrible signings, millions of loans, managers tactics and formation muddled.
When will the so-called management and directors learn?
Never ending spiral of rubbish.
I want him to succeed but I don't see even the toll fee for the tunnel, let alone a light at the end of it.
Absolutely off your rocker.
When did Parkinson get 1 point from SEVEN games in this league.
Forget performances, the main thing is getting out of this horrible pit.
I'll see your Exeter, MK Dons, Brentford and Carlisle and raise you with Hartlepool.
Parkinson was treated like crap by many Charlton supporters and ultimately by Slater who backed him and then sacked him in the same week, if he were not having a wry smile at how things have turned out then I would be very surprised.
After all, the worse we do then the better his record looks, nothing juvenile about that in a cut-throat game like professional football.
If we were a "poor team" under Parkinson then what on earth are we now? We are far, far worse and the plain facts of the matter are there for all to see. We had 6 losses in 22 under Parkinson and now 6 in 11 under Powell, you don't have to be Stephen Hawking to put those figures into "perspective."
As for "moving on" from Parkinson's "grim era" - would that be the one where we were ONE POINT from automatic promotion last season on meagre resources and the one in which he left us in FIFTH POSITION in L1 in January?
Feck me, I would kill for that kind of grimness right now.
Actually, WSS, I'd rather play well and win games. And oddly enough, 90 per cent of the time there is a strong correlation between the two!
As for Ormy getting all misty-eyed and nostalgic for the golden season of 2009-10 - you are being ironic. Aren't you ?
Move on! New owners, new manager - and come the summer, new players. So this is a time to look forward to next season with hope , not to look back at the failures of the past few years with bitterness and recrimination.
I feel like I'm turning into the new Oggy!
The signs have been there all season and a change of manager was never really going to do much about it. I thought the biggest mistakes in January was taking 2 weeks to bring in CP and then over a week to bring in BWP. Anyone with half a brain could see we have no pace at the back, have an inconsistent central midfield, only one genuine left-footer who is far from the finished article and either unfit or out of their depth strikers.
Really the defence should have been paramount as the other problems can be sorted out during training. The two ex-Southend lads have been a disappointment and no-team can cut corners if it is aiming for promotion.
Our season is over now because our squad is not good enough to stay consistent. I would invest more in the summer and get rid of most the crap Parky bought in like Francis.
Wagstaff, Jenkinson, Anyisah, BWP, Semedo or Racon and Reid are the only players who should stay and help us next season, the rest of the first team players can just go.
Sorry. What was the question?
So you'd rather we lost games and played well rather than win the games like Notts County?
Agreed!
That's a rhetorical flourish (of which you are clearly very proud) rather than a serious or empirical question, isn't it?
Refer you to what the very sensible Dick Plumb says above.
Ah, sarcasm, the last refuge, eh?
I think you'll find that most people would consider finishing two points from automatic promotion and losing only 8 games all season in 09/10 under Parkinson as very much a "golden period" in comparison to being 11th and losing six games from seven under Chris Powell.
Nobody likes being in L1 but at least under Parkinson we looked vaguely like getting out of it, under the sainted Powell we have got worse and worse and the team is an absolute shambles.
Please tell me a single improvement made under Powell? I can't see a single one in either results or performances.
Couldn't agree more DP. I'm as sad and bewildered as to what's happening to my club as the next but the last thing we need now is a knee jerk reaction from either the board or the fans. Chris Powell's no idiot and I'm sure given time to sort out who he wants from the curent crop (I suspect very few) and have a pre-season to work with the team without the pressure of having to win games twice a week we will see a far more competitive team next year.
Shame he couldn't take his own advice a few weeks back as he gloated for England and told us 99% of fans were still behind Powell continuing till next season.
As for Powell time for a poll similar to the one about Parky after the Brighton game.
1Go now
2Give till end of season to show improvement
3Give him next season to show what he can do