we should all be agreeing that, as part of the club, powell will be hurting every bit as much as most supporters are right now.
if I was charlton manager, and we'd got one point from 21, id barely be able to sleep, constantly depressed etc etc. it would be very very difficult for any manager to come back from this run of results, let alone at a club with charlton's current ambitions.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I'm rather down after the result today but had to laugh when Insufferable Addick, who was constantly telling us how much better things were and that everything had changed as he constantly referred back to the Parky era, is now telling us to move on.
Shame he couldn't take his own advice a few weeks back as he gloated for England and told us 99% of fans were still behind Powell continuing till next season.
As for Powell time for a poll similar to the one about Parky after the Brighton game.
1Go now
2Give till end of season to show improvement
3Give him next season to show what he can do
Oh dear , oh dear. So fickle... 99 per cent of our fans are still behind Powell and will remain so, even if you aren't, my fairweather fruit.
A sign of a good coach is the ability to get the best out of what he has. Parky we were in the play offs although were inconsistent, CP it's been horrible frankly. Based on what I've seen I'm not sure I'd trust him to bring in his own squad.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I'm rather down after the result today but had to laugh when Insufferable Addick, who was constantly telling us how much better things were and that everything had changed as he constantly referred back to the Parky era, is now telling us to move on.
Shame he couldn't take his own advice a few weeks back as he gloated for England and told us 99% of fans were still behind Powell continuing till next season.
As for Powell time for a poll similar to the one about Parky after the Brighton game.
1Go now
2Give till end of season to show improvement
3Give him next season to show what he can do
Give him till the end of the season, but he has got to do a lot, lot better than this.
You surely wouldn't be trusting the transfer budget to him if this decline carries on till the end of the season.
Football is a results business, Parkinson got sacked because of supposed bad results so Powell's fans can't complain when their man is judged by the same standards.
If you lose 6 games out of 7 in L1 - including three at home - then you are going to be under huge pressure.
If Powell stays and builds "his side" and we start next season badly then his position will become very close to untenable.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I'm rather down after the result today but had to laugh when Insufferable Addick, who was constantly telling us how much better things were and that everything had changed as he constantly referred back to the Parky era, is now telling us to move on.
Shame he couldn't take his own advice a few weeks back as he gloated for England and told us 99% of fans were still behind Powell continuing till next season.
As for Powell time for a poll similar to the one about Parky after the Brighton game.
1Go now
2Give till end of season to show improvement
3Give him next season to show what he can do
Oh dear , oh dear. So fickle... 99 per cent of our fans are still behind Powell and will remain so, even if you aren't.
Yes but 80% of our fans are utter tossers apparently.
Well we can't sack him, the decision has been made by our esteemed new board.
We have to live with it until at least the Summer come rain or shine.
Back Powell (which the fans have, and the board has BIG TIME - He wanted Dyer, he has got BWP, Eccleston, Bessone, Fry's extension, Nouble and Parrett) and see where we are come May but right now the performances, the results and perhaps even more worryingly some of the selections and tactics are a grave cause for concern.
There is no point in sacking him now. We wont get promoted and we wont get relegated. The Board should keep things under consideration and be looking at Plan B if results dont improve. I'm still hopeful he will start to turn it back around but not confident (if that makes sense)
Didn't go today. Sounds like we were pretty clueless once again. We are a bit of a shipwreck at the moment, not helped by injuries and bad luck. They often go together. Personally I'm still pleased we don't have to worry about administration. The spine of our team has been dodgy for some time. Centre backs (any combination of them) are slow and error prone. Racon doesn't create enough to dominate midfield. We miss Dean Burton's hold up play. Until this gets fixed we ain't going anywhere. It will take time but Powell should have his chance next year.
Some questions I'd like to know the answer to before we judge Powell. I know journos contribute to this board. Could you ask him for us?
1. Why has it taken so long to get any loan signings in - Was Powell being indecisive, unrealistic, unlucky or were the board dragging their feet
2. Why have we got so many injuries at the moment - When Powell came in he toughened up training, is that having a debilitating effect on the squad or have we just been unlucky
3. Whats happening with Jeff Vetere - Is he coming, is this a board appointment or has Powell asked for him?
4. Who suggested bringing in Dean Parrett, Powell or the board?
Whoever the manager is, or will be, it doesn't change the fact that the players are useless. Powell does look a bit lost in the whole situation as well
Sorry I loved CP as the player but hasn't got what it takes to get us out of this division. I had reservations about his appointment and sadly it has turned into a nightmare.
I'm sorry but the board has to act.
I'm not having this "give him a proper chance - wait until the summer" business in the hope that he will miraculously put together a competitive squad and more importantly, show that he is able to motivate and deploy them with some tactical gameplan.
He needs to be showing now that he has the motivational and organisational skills to arrest this slump and get the best out of the players available and frankly it appears he isn't making any difference.
I'm pretty sure that Slater stated that he expected nothing less, at the time he was talking about evolution not revolution.
Even John Barnes had a clear vision even if he failed miserably - we just seem rudderless.
All I can foresee is dwindling crowds and low season ticket sales.
I've had enough.
I'd be more inclined to hold my nerve if Powell showed any sign of a clear vision or a work-in-progress.
[cite]Posted By: redman[/cite]There is no point in sacking him now. We wont get promoted and we wont get relegated. The Board should keep things under consideration and be looking at Plan B if results dont improve. I'm still hopeful he will start to turn it back around but not confident (if that makes sense)
I hope you are right - continue this run and we'll be drawn into the relegation battle - anyone think that team are up for a fight?
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]I bet Phil Parkinson is laughing his bollocks off.
I bet he isn't. He was a decent man and he wouldn't be so juvenile or vindictive.
And I bet he'd be embarassed by this thread, and the fact that ten weeks after he was sacked, some supporters have stubbornly refused to move on - because I'm sure he has.
The truth is we were a poor team under Parkinson and we're just as poor a team under Powell. I think we've won five of our last 21 games in all comps - one in ten prior to Powell and four in eleven since he arrived. So please keep some perspective.
Neither Parkinson nor Powell could be expected to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. There are so many players in our squad who just aren't good enough, even for division three. The time to make our judgement is after the mass clear-out that will happen this summer and when Powell had been able to assemble his own team.
Meanwhile, can we just move on from bloody Parkinson and his grim era - and forget about Pardew and Dowie and even Curbishley . We need to deal with the here and now, and more importantly, the future. Which I'm convinced is going to be bright , once the dregs we signed in the last couple of ghastly, nightmare years have been moved on.
Parkinson was treated like crap by many Charlton supporters and ultimately by Slater who backed him and then sacked him in the same week, if he were not having a wry smile at how things have turned out then I would be very surprised.
After all, the worse we do then the better his record looks, nothing juvenile about that in a cut-throat game like professional football.
If we were a "poor team" under Parkinson then what on earth are we now? We are far, far worse and the plain facts of the matter are there for all to see. We had 6 losses in 22 under Parkinson and now 6 in 11 under Powell, you don't have to be Stephen Hawking to put those figures into "perspective."
As for "moving on" from Parkinson's "grim era" - would that be the one where we were ONE POINT from automatic promotion last season on meagre resources and the one in which he left us in FIFTH POSITION in L1 in January?
Feck me, I would kill for that kind of grimness right now.
This is a great post. Parky had bad games but the team were organised and looked like they knew their jobs. I've never seen a team looking so undangerous as Powel's. It's embarrassing right now.
I'm a teacher and have been for 2 years. Promoting Powell from being young coach is like making me headmaster tomorrow. I'd fail like Powell is.
[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]I'm sorry but the board has to act.
I'm not having this "give him a proper chance - wait until the summer" business in the hope that he will miraculously put together a competitive squad and more importantly, show that he is able to motivate and deploy them with some tactical gameplan.
He needs to be showingnowthat he has the motivational and organisational skills to arrest this slump and get the best out of the players available and frankly it appears he isn't making any difference.
I'm pretty sure that Slater stated that he expected nothing less, at the time he was talking about evolution not revolution.
Even John Barnes had a clear vision even if he failed miserably - we just seem rudderless.
All I can foresee is dwindling crowds and low season ticket sales.
I've had enough.
I'd be more inclined to hold my nerve if Powell showed any sign of a clear vision or a work-in-progress.
Have to agree, Powell's spell as manager is very similar to Les Reed's so far.
Before we go for CP's jugular, let's not forget that we have a fair share of injuries at the moment. It was JJ who was getting results for Parky and I'm sure these results would have been the same for too. I see results improving when JJ returns.
Reading this thread i have come to the conclusion that we have many fans who deserve a team in league two. They nead to be taught some of Charlton's history and realise that to keep changing the manager will only result in dropping another division.
Let Chris manage with his own team next season and not with the crap he inherited from Parkinson.
I do believe though that the new board has to appease the fans by telling us how they are going to invest in the team under Powell in the close season.
[cite]Posted By: mparsons1[/cite]is it just me or are we creating less chances as well under powell?
Have to disagree:
Against Walsall we barely had a shot on target, whilst in many of the other home games- can't remember too many keepers being overworked.
Under Powell: against Exeter and Brentford we created 3 or 4 really good chances, hit the bar and their keepers were one of the better players, same at Notts County.
[cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]Reading this thread i have come to the conclusion that we have many fans who deserve a team in league two.
Great, because that would appear to be exactly where we are heading under Powell.
Bully for you if you are happy to continue in that direction and then just blame Parky and the fans.
Wake up and smell the pigshit, Beds.
I am very sorry to say it but it is so so bad that if I was in charge I would sack the manager now, and I never even said that about Pardew, but we are total and utter crap and on a one-way ride down a one-way waste pipe.
[cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]Let Chris manage with his own team next season and not with the crap he inherited from Parkinson.
we've had two summers of selling our best players and getting replacements on a shoestring, if we now decide that these players are crap then Parkinson was working miracles with them by having us in the play-off mix.
[cite]Posted By: dickplumb[/cite]I think we should all take a deep breath and ride out the storm.It is not the right time to sack the Manager no matter how he is doing at the moment. We need stability and we need to take the medicine that is being handed out this season.The time to judge is next season when it is more Powell's team.
Totally agree
we can't make us better, SCP hopefully can (although it isn't looking likely atm)
Still the bickering is quiet interesting even if the football isn't
My heart is breaking for charlton and SCP ,
I went into the club shop afterwards and I could feel the club dying in there
So so painful
We all know that parky definitely got more out of the players than powell has but pardew got more out of the players in the championship relegation season than parky managed and no one was screaming get pardew back or harping how great he was
What's done is done
The board punted on SCP and this season is gonna prove it to be a failed punt
But next season we'll see how genuine these new owners are and see what the colour of their money really is
[cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]Reading this thread i have come to the conclusion that we have many fans who deserve a team in league two. They nead to be taught some of Charlton's history and realise that to keep changing the manager will only result in dropping another division.
Let Chris manage with his own team next season and not with the crap he inherited from Parkinson.
I do believe though that the new board has to appease the fans by telling us how they are going to invest in the team under Powell in the close season.
Can we stop this nonsense about the crap he inherited from Parkinson please? Some of the players that Parky brought are in shocking, I grant you, but at least Parky knew how to get them to be solid and leave us in a play off spot 5th before getting the size 10 around his arris.
Powell is trying to hard and by changing the formation/side every game is not helping the players. Keep to a settled way of playing (injuries/suspensions permitted) and play to their strengths.
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if I was charlton manager, and we'd got one point from 21, id barely be able to sleep, constantly depressed etc etc. it would be very very difficult for any manager to come back from this run of results, let alone at a club with charlton's current ambitions.
Oh dear , oh dear. So fickle... 99 per cent of our fans are still behind Powell and will remain so, even if you aren't, my fairweather fruit.
No wins in the last 7 league games, the worst run for 2 years.
Concerned of what may occur for the rest of the season.
Give him till the end of the season, but he has got to do a lot, lot better than this.
You surely wouldn't be trusting the transfer budget to him if this decline carries on till the end of the season.
Football is a results business, Parkinson got sacked because of supposed bad results so Powell's fans can't complain when their man is judged by the same standards.
If you lose 6 games out of 7 in L1 - including three at home - then you are going to be under huge pressure.
If Powell stays and builds "his side" and we start next season badly then his position will become very close to untenable.
Yes but 80% of our fans are utter tossers apparently.
We have to live with it until at least the Summer come rain or shine.
Back Powell (which the fans have, and the board has BIG TIME - He wanted Dyer, he has got BWP, Eccleston, Bessone, Fry's extension, Nouble and Parrett) and see where we are come May but right now the performances, the results and perhaps even more worryingly some of the selections and tactics are a grave cause for concern.
We are a bit of a shipwreck at the moment, not helped by injuries and bad luck. They often go together.
Personally I'm still pleased we don't have to worry about administration.
The spine of our team has been dodgy for some time. Centre backs (any combination of them) are slow and error prone. Racon doesn't create enough to dominate midfield. We miss Dean Burton's hold up play.
Until this gets fixed we ain't going anywhere.
It will take time but Powell should have his chance next year.
1. Why has it taken so long to get any loan signings in - Was Powell being indecisive, unrealistic, unlucky or were the board dragging their feet
2. Why have we got so many injuries at the moment - When Powell came in he toughened up training, is that having a debilitating effect on the squad or have we just been unlucky
3. Whats happening with Jeff Vetere - Is he coming, is this a board appointment or has Powell asked for him?
4. Who suggested bringing in Dean Parrett, Powell or the board?
I'm not having this "give him a proper chance - wait until the summer" business in the hope that he will miraculously put together a competitive squad and more importantly, show that he is able to motivate and deploy them with some tactical gameplan.
He needs to be showing now that he has the motivational and organisational skills to arrest this slump and get the best out of the players available and frankly it appears he isn't making any difference.
I'm pretty sure that Slater stated that he expected nothing less, at the time he was talking about evolution not revolution.
Even John Barnes had a clear vision even if he failed miserably - we just seem rudderless.
All I can foresee is dwindling crowds and low season ticket sales.
I've had enough.
I'd be more inclined to hold my nerve if Powell showed any sign of a clear vision or a work-in-progress.
I hope you are right - continue this run and we'll be drawn into the relegation battle - anyone think that team are up for a fight?
This is a great post. Parky had bad games but the team were organised and looked like they knew their jobs. I've never seen a team looking so undangerous as Powel's. It's embarrassing right now.
I'm a teacher and have been for 2 years. Promoting Powell from being young coach is like making me headmaster tomorrow. I'd fail like Powell is.
Have to agree, Powell's spell as manager is very similar to Les Reed's so far.
Let Chris manage with his own team next season and not with the crap he inherited from Parkinson.
I do believe though that the new board has to appease the fans by telling us how they are going to invest in the team under Powell in the close season.
Have to disagree:
Against Walsall we barely had a shot on target, whilst in many of the other home games- can't remember too many keepers being overworked.
Under Powell: against Exeter and Brentford we created 3 or 4 really good chances, hit the bar and their keepers were one of the better players, same at Notts County.
Great, because that would appear to be exactly where we are heading under Powell.
Bully for you if you are happy to continue in that direction and then just blame Parky and the fans.
Wake up and smell the pigshit, Beds.
Totally agree
we can't make us better, SCP hopefully can (although it isn't looking likely atm)
Still the bickering is quiet interesting even if the football isn't
My heart is breaking for charlton and SCP ,
I went into the club shop afterwards and I could feel the club dying in there
So so painful
What's done is done
The board punted on SCP and this season is gonna prove it to be a failed punt
But next season we'll see how genuine these new owners are and see what the colour of their money really is
Can we stop this nonsense about the crap he inherited from Parkinson please? Some of the players that Parky brought are in shocking, I grant you, but at least Parky knew how to get them to be solid and leave us in a play off spot 5th before getting the size 10 around his arris.
Powell is trying to hard and by changing the formation/side every game is not helping the players. Keep to a settled way of playing (injuries/suspensions permitted) and play to their strengths.
We need results now.