would be a massive lift to the club and may well encourage more bums on seats at the valley which i know the new owners want. If it fails, it would be more a Les Reed situation as in a "thanks but no thanks" - still highly respected and no hard feelings from the fans, but an acceptance that they were really out of their depth.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Worth remembering that the two managers who have attracted the most psotivity on here are Poyet and Howe.
Both in their first managerial roles.
There is sooo much scrutiny in football now yet the managerial basics remain so simple; can you get your ideas across to the players, can you get your players to play for you, have you a good tactical understanding, and have you and your staff an eye for emerging talent.
You don't have to do the job 20 years to get that right, as proven by the cast number of managers who are successful in their first managerial appointments !
If they are the qualities needed then Powell fits the bill.
Also, Adkins went from physio to successful manager & Tranmere ex-physio kept them up after John Barnes had them at rock bottom.
I've persuaded myself - it should be Chris Powell. (He's still my screensaver after all, with his last goal for Charlton).
This works for me!
Sir Chris Powell, Leicester 1st team coach, Ex-England player, Played under Sven, is Svens assistant at Leicester, moves into a managers position at a medium sized third division club that he knows and the fans love him.
Will someone tell me why this wouldnt work
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Was it a gamble when Curbishley took over? Did it work?
Everyone knows gambles pay off every 20 years or so. FACT
How long did it take to work out though?
That's a great point, Curbs had some very rough years down here before he struck gold in 1997/98 with the Play Off win - would he have survived those years in the current climate? Maybe, but not definitely.
How much time are we prepared to give Powell? Having sacked Parkinson while we are 5th then the new manager must keep us in the Play Offs at the very least or he will have failed - that's the criteria Slater gave for sacking Parkinson.
I strongly disagreed with sacking Parkinson but will give the new manager every chance, I would love it to be Powell and for him to succeed but any appointment is a risk, there are no guarantees.
At the very least his appointment would unite the fans - but how long would that last if we slipped into mid-table and started losing at home to Walsall or whoever? Would people then start saying we should have appointed a wise head like Johnson?
Unless the board can pull a genuinely big name out of the hat like Curbs or Hodgson I think any of the other names being bandied about are equally a gamble. If we are going to roll the dice then CP would be an inspirational appointment and one I would give 100% support. Would worry me though.
If you look at Shearer at Newcastle. I know he was only there for a short time but Newcastle fans still wanted and expected to stay up. He is still held in a high regard despite "failing".
Do we hold Powell in such a high regard? I think we do. I really would give him more time and even if he failed he is so much of a legend (1000 times more than Reed), that I think I'd hold my hands up and say, "he wasnt good enough, but he's still a superstar in my eyes". I think a lot of us would take that attitude.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]Can't the fans that want Powell in go down to The Valley and just chant his name for an hour or so? Or would this just not work?
If you want to chant to an empty carpark feel free.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]Can't the fans that want Powell in go down to The Valley and just chant his name for an hour or so? Or would this just not work?
If you want to chant to an empty carpark feel free.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]Can't the fans that want Powell in go down to The Valley and just chant his name for an hour or so? Or would this just not work?
If you want to chant to an empty carpark feel free.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]Can't the fans that want Powell in go down to The Valley and just chant his name for an hour or so? Or would this just not work?
If you want to chant to an empty carpark feel free.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Worth remembering that the two managers who have attracted the most psotivity on here are Poyet and Howe.
Both in their first managerial roles.
There is sooo much scrutiny in football now yet the managerial basics remain so simple; can you get your ideas across to the players, can you get your players to play for you, have you a good tactical understanding, and have you and your staff an eye for emerging talent.
You don't have to do the job 20 years to get that right, as proven by the cast number of managers who are successful in their first managerial appointments !
Bullseye! AKFA.
Can I also mention that for both the two greatest Charlton managers in our modern history, Lennie and Curbs, it was their first managerial appointments.
I posted earlier on another thread that appointing managers has a great deal of luck about it. Managers with good track records can bomb just as easily as newbies
Although I am just an outside observer Chrissy seems to have a great deal to commend him.
1. He had a long career and through his own continuous improvement, that culminated in him playing at the highest level despite not playing for one of the top clubs.
2. He seems to have great inter-personal skills
3. He is currently first team coach at a major club who have the former England Manager and one of the most experienced managers in the game as boss
4. He is a total legend at our club and he really knows the history of our club and what pride we all have in what has been achieved together by fans, board, and team pulling together in the same direction
If true and with some luck, he could really be the one to set us on the right course once again.
Even if we got in fergie snr we wud be garaunteed success an he is the best out there....i say give him a go....it wud get bums on seats an a great feal to the club
Managing a team is always hit and miss, some will have success and then fail at their next job. Anyone is a gamble unless you're Mourinho but then how well would he do here with no money and lesser players?
It's all a gamble even if it's Johnson, but we are due a bit of luck. I hope.
Chrissy Powell, with the right (older) head alongside him is a very exciting prospect, we ALL need something/someone to unite behind - that could be it. If Curbs could also be enticed then that would be immense and lift the whole club!
If the new owners listened to the fans after the Swindon game then perhaps they may be listening still!
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]This is the first thread for ages where over 90% agree on something - and even those with reservations have them for the right reasons ("what a shame if it all went wrong"). If Curbs ain't coming back, then Chrissy P is the next best thing in my book - and we'd give him so much support, and time, and love, that I just think it might work!!!
Great post, Weegie. It's worth it for those reasons alone.
Weren't there some stats showing that a high per centage of managers acheived their greatest success in their first job? (Might have been something AFKA posted a few days ago - he loves all that sort of anorak stuff!). The job is not rocket science. If you've been a top player and can read the game, and you have an understanding of human nature , and you are a warm and engaging character who can command the respect of the players and the affection of the fans, I reckon you are three-quarters of the way there.
to be fair to some posters i cant blame them for being apprehensive. how many times have we been disappointed the last 5/6 years. the last thing we need is one of our legends to come here and it goes tits up.
personally as my previous posts suggest, i think he's got exactly what it takes to become even more of a charlton hero, this time as a manager.
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Yes it was a gamble, I wanted Gritty!!!
If they are the qualities needed then Powell fits the bill.
Also, Adkins went from physio to successful manager & Tranmere ex-physio kept them up after John Barnes had them at rock bottom.
I've persuaded myself - it should be Chris Powell. (He's still my screensaver after all, with his last goal for Charlton).
Sir Chris Powell, Leicester 1st team coach, Ex-England player, Played under Sven, is Svens assistant at Leicester, moves into a managers position at a medium sized third division club that he knows and the fans love him.
Will someone tell me why this wouldnt work
You might. 70% of the Valley probably wouldnt. Most importantly, Slater wouldnt.
Still ABW.
That's a great point, Curbs had some very rough years down here before he struck gold in 1997/98 with the Play Off win - would he have survived those years in the current climate? Maybe, but not definitely.
How much time are we prepared to give Powell? Having sacked Parkinson while we are 5th then the new manager must keep us in the Play Offs at the very least or he will have failed - that's the criteria Slater gave for sacking Parkinson.
I strongly disagreed with sacking Parkinson but will give the new manager every chance, I would love it to be Powell and for him to succeed but any appointment is a risk, there are no guarantees.
At the very least his appointment would unite the fans - but how long would that last if we slipped into mid-table and started losing at home to Walsall or whoever? Would people then start saying we should have appointed a wise head like Johnson?
Do we hold Powell in such a high regard? I think we do. I really would give him more time and even if he failed he is so much of a legend (1000 times more than Reed), that I think I'd hold my hands up and say, "he wasnt good enough, but he's still a superstar in my eyes". I think a lot of us would take that attitude.
If you want to chant to an empty carpark feel free.
Wouldn't they be down there at all then?
at gone 10pm you'd have to doubt it
agree with this
haha, I didn't mean tonight.
What Wise and Powell? We'd all become schizophrenic...
Bullseye! AKFA.
Can I also mention that for both the two greatest Charlton managers in our modern history, Lennie and Curbs, it was their first managerial appointments.
I posted earlier on another thread that appointing managers has a great deal of luck about it. Managers with good track records can bomb just as easily as newbies
Although I am just an outside observer Chrissy seems to have a great deal to commend him.
1. He had a long career and through his own continuous improvement, that culminated in him playing at the highest level despite not playing for one of the top clubs.
2. He seems to have great inter-personal skills
3. He is currently first team coach at a major club who have the former England Manager and one of the most experienced managers in the game as boss
4. He is a total legend at our club and he really knows the history of our club and what pride we all have in what has been achieved together by fans, board, and team pulling together in the same direction
If true and with some luck, he could really be the one to set us on the right course once again.
Hey you've obviously been peeking in the showers! :-)
It's all a gamble even if it's Johnson, but we are due a bit of luck. I hope.
If the new owners listened to the fans after the Swindon game then perhaps they may be listening still!
Great post, Weegie. It's worth it for those reasons alone.
Weren't there some stats showing that a high per centage of managers acheived their greatest success in their first job? (Might have been something AFKA posted a few days ago - he loves all that sort of anorak stuff!). The job is not rocket science. If you've been a top player and can read the game, and you have an understanding of human nature , and you are a warm and engaging character who can command the respect of the players and the affection of the fans, I reckon you are three-quarters of the way there.
And that describes Chrissy P to a T, doesn't it?
personally as my previous posts suggest, i think he's got exactly what it takes to become even more of a charlton hero, this time as a manager.