no idea how true this is but it is a rumours thread after all
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I was speaking with someone I know who is involved with Swindon (director) & he confirmed Kemp left today. He didn’t make any mention about us being interested in him.
He was recalled from his MK Dons loan two days ago. It doesn’t seem as though it’s anything more than they want him playing for them, not another team in the same division.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Secondly I'm not suggesting that we should punch above our weight, after all what is our weight?
I do agree with you that sound finances help a club prosper but I suggest that is no good without wise decision making.
Jesus Christ, if you are going to start being pedantic then there's no point in having a conversation.
You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about me, so like how you've suggested I don't refer to you as 'mate', in what I see as an endearing term, I'll just suggest we don't have a conversation at all.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
In all of football, the best gauge of knowing where a team will finish is the wage total of the squad. It has a fairly good correlation with the actual league table.
Sure, some smart decision making will get you to outperform, but the average higher wage squad will finish higher than a lower wage one. Money trumps.
But we are already one of the biggest spenders in this league.
You need to spend but you also need to spend it well and then have a good environment from which to grow a winning team.
We are definitely underperforming relative to our outlay.
It clearly points to our issues being about what we spend our money on, rather than the money spend itself.
If you take an extreme example, Chelsea + Man Utd spending all their money and playing poorly will probably net them a 12-14th place finish. Luton could make some great purchases with their revenue but will still likely go down anyway. Money trumps all.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Secondly I'm not suggesting that we should punch above our weight, after all what is our weight?
I do agree with you that sound finances help a club prosper but I suggest that is no good without wise decision making.
Jesus Christ, if we are going to start being pedantic then there's no point in having a conversation.
You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about me, so like how you've suggested I don't refer to you as 'mate', in what I see as an endearing term, I'll just suggest we don't have a conversation at all.
Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.
You have missed the point completely.
We already spend money, a lot of money.
We have consistently had a budget in the top three or four in this division but have underperformed by that metric.
Not because we underpaid our managers or players, if anything we've paid over the odds for underperformance.
It is largely because we spent the money badly, we spent the money in an inconsistent way, we allowed unqualified people to make decisions based on poor data and insufficient knowledge of how to build a team or the importance of a team ethic.
Then when the money had been spent the players, good and bad, joined an often dysfunctional club which lacked much of the infrastructure and continuity that is needed for success.
To misquote that famous Reading player O. Wilde
"Money won't always buy you success but it will buy you a better class of failure
I don't think I've missed any point really and mostly agree with what you've said. My post was just a pre-emptive warning for regular posters not to get their hopes up and have these false promises get their hopes up.
The decisions you've spoken about again are best made by people who require a fee or a healthy salary, they don't do it for free. So we are going to go round in circles here and clog the thread.
Yes you need a plan and the right people in charge, those plans are nothing without the money and those people need to be paid to do the job though.
I also see no proof from anywhere that we have seen online to suggest we pay a lot of money, our wages are lower than the likes of Derby, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Oxford etc who have all played or still play in this league recently. Journos claim we don't pay decent wages, our 'ITKs' claim we low ball players with contracts, that's the latest gossip on our offers to Dobson and CBT. Dobbo and CBT themselves have then backed that up in regards to getting the right contract. The manager has said he feels he doesn't have the right tools and is also saying he needs money. Everything points towards them not having the facilities to back up their words.
We should probably be about on the same points as Blackpool or Stevenage based on everything that is public knowledge, in regards to our wages and squad value (we rank 10th) which would still fall short of where I want Charlton to be.
I am simply fed up of Charlton being dire and the people at the top making excuses when there is a solution, in this league in particular.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Fans falling out with fans Technical Directors falling out with managers Players falling out with managers Ear cups here ‘Sacked in the morning’ chants there.
Whatever next!
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone grasses me up for sneaking my Heineken up to my seat the way things are going.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Secondly I'm not suggesting that we should punch above our weight, after all what is our weight?
I do agree with you that sound finances help a club prosper but I suggest that is no good without wise decision making.
Jesus Christ, if we are going to start being pedantic then there's no point in having a conversation.
You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about me, so like how you've suggested I don't refer to you as 'mate', in what I see as an endearing term, I'll just suggest we don't have a conversation at all.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Secondly I'm not suggesting that we should punch above our weight, after all what is our weight?
I do agree with you that sound finances help a club prosper but I suggest that is no good without wise decision making.
Fans falling out with fans Technical Directors falling out with managers Players falling out with managers Ear cups here ‘Sacked in the morning’ chants there.
Whatever next!
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone grasses me up for sneaking my Heineken up to my seat the way things are going.
Best throw that over some of the players as it is the beer that refreshes parts other beers cannot reach.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Secondly I'm not suggesting that we should punch above our weight, after all what is our weight?
I do agree with you that sound finances help a club prosper but I suggest that is no good without wise decision making.
Jesus Christ, if we are going to start being pedantic then there's no point in having a conversation.
You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about me, so like how you've suggested I don't refer to you as 'mate', in what I see as an endearing term, I'll just suggest we don't have a conversation at all.
All the best lancashire lad
Mate! I'd avoid the bloke, he's got that CL elitist thing going on.
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Tedic is in Belgrade on his insta now as well for what it’s worth
Players might have been given a couple of days off, we have had a lot of games recently.
Days off ??? Feck me, they way they have been playing recently they should be doing double training. Especially Fraser. He should be taking corner after corner until he can land it on a sixpence.
There's usually one smaller team in this division that overachieves, but in general the top 6 are quite predictable, being made up of former PL sides plus the Championship/L1 yoyo clubs like Peterborough and Rotherham. And that minnow rarely repeats the feat if they don't go up, as their best players (and manager) get lured away.
Bowyer might have spent very little on his promotion side, but I imagine the wages were top 3-5 for the division, the likes of Sarr, Bauer and Igor all signed in the Championship, and when Roland was still spending money (albeit not very well).
And however parsimonious he might have been the following summer, if he hadn't sold to ESI I'm sure we would have stayed up, as we were so close to survival even with the catastrophic mismanagement and transfer embargo under them.
It’s all gone a bit quiet on Gillesphey, I hope that happens as he ticks all boxes of what we need at the moment
Apologies if already been said.
Plymouth supporting friend of mine reckons he failed his medical.
It may well be true, but if it is, it is another odd action by those running the club. Why let him be seen being escorted by the amazing Mrs L, if it wasn't all sorted. Surely you only allow fans to glimpse a signing if it is all sorted, it may well be and they are just delaying the announcement until press day on Thursday.
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Young - 16 goals, 4 assists
Imagine if we lost two players like that on January 1st and January 2nd. Like losing Alfie and Corey without replacing them. Ouch.
You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about me, so like how you've suggested I don't refer to you as 'mate', in what I see as an endearing term, I'll just suggest we don't have a conversation at all.
All the best lancashire lad
It clearly points to our issues being about what we spend our money on, rather than the money spend itself.
If you take an extreme example, Chelsea + Man Utd spending all their money and playing poorly will probably net them a 12-14th place finish. Luton could make some great purchases with their revenue but will still likely go down anyway. Money trumps all.
The decisions you've spoken about again are best made by people who require a fee or a healthy salary, they don't do it for free. So we are going to go round in circles here and clog the thread.
Yes you need a plan and the right people in charge, those plans are nothing without the money and those people need to be paid to do the job though.
I also see no proof from anywhere that we have seen online to suggest we pay a lot of money, our wages are lower than the likes of Derby, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Oxford etc who have all played or still play in this league recently. Journos claim we don't pay decent wages, our 'ITKs' claim we low ball players with contracts, that's the latest gossip on our offers to Dobson and CBT. Dobbo and CBT themselves have then backed that up in regards to getting the right contract. The manager has said he feels he doesn't have the right tools and is also saying he needs money. Everything points towards them not having the facilities to back up their words.
We should probably be about on the same points as Blackpool or Stevenage based on everything that is public knowledge, in regards to our wages and squad value (we rank 10th) which would still fall short of where I want Charlton to be.
I am simply fed up of Charlton being dire and the people at the top making excuses when there is a solution, in this league in particular.
Technical Directors falling out with managers
Players falling out with managers
Ear cups here
‘Sacked in the morning’ chants there.
Bowyer might have spent very little on his promotion side, but I imagine the wages were top 3-5 for the division, the likes of Sarr, Bauer and Igor all signed in the Championship, and when Roland was still spending money (albeit not very well).
And however parsimonious he might have been the following summer, if he hadn't sold to ESI I'm sure we would have stayed up, as we were so close to survival even with the catastrophic mismanagement and transfer embargo under them.