Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Tedic is in Belgrade on his insta now as well for what it’s worth
Players might have been given a couple of days off, we have had a lot of games recently.
Days off ??? Feck me, they way they have been playing recently they should be doing double training. Especially Fraser. He should be taking corner after corner until he can land it on a sixpence.
There's usually one smaller team in this division that overachieves, but in general the top 6 are quite predictable, being made up of former PL sides plus the Championship/L1 yoyo clubs like Peterborough and Rotherham. And that minnow rarely repeats the feat if they don't go up, as their best players (and manager) get lured away.
Bowyer might have spent very little on his promotion side, but I imagine the wages were top 3-5 for the division, the likes of Sarr, Bauer and Igor all signed in the Championship, and when Roland was still spending money (albeit not very well).
And however parsimonious he might have been the following summer, if he hadn't sold to ESI I'm sure we would have stayed up, as we were so close to survival even with the catastrophic mismanagement and transfer embargo under them.
It’s all gone a bit quiet on Gillesphey, I hope that happens as he ticks all boxes of what we need at the moment
Apologies if already been said.
Plymouth supporting friend of mine reckons he failed his medical.
It may well be true, but if it is, it is another odd action by those running the club. Why let him be seen being escorted by the amazing Mrs L, if it wasn't all sorted. Surely you only allow fans to glimpse a signing if it is all sorted, it may well be and they are just delaying the announcement until press day on Thursday.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
Tedic is in Belgrade on his insta now as well for what it’s worth
Players might have been given a couple of days off, we have had a lot of games recently.
Days off ??? Feck me, they way they have been playing recently they should be doing double training. Especially Fraser. He should be taking corner after corner until he can land it on a sixpence.
I mean they are humans after all. Plus some of them look knackered
Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.
It's not just money though, it's money and good decision making. The decision making is where we've been lacking for so so long
You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all.
I understand where you are coming from though and I have sort of covered that by mentioning Sandgaard.
Unfortunately based on our recent transfer history and the fact that Appleton is still in post, we evidently have neither currently until proven otherwise.
It’s gotta be a combination. You can have an enormous budget and blow it on the wrong players and the wrong manager. I’m not sure if we have a big budget or a management team that makes the right decisions. The next four weeks are crucial. 😬
Dobson and Blackett- Taylor will get moved on this month and noises from the club will be, well we did offer them a good deal and they said no.
Lose 2 of your best 3 players at the club, and then bring in replacements with that money who will take a while to get up to speed whilst we head into a tough February on paper and then possibly looking over our shoulders at the bottom 4
What money ? Both out of contract in the summer so it'll be peanuts.
How I miss the days long forgotten when Chris Powell was recruiting his squad without the huge budget. Exciting times for us guys. nowadays its the 'maybe' of a squad player or two (if they are fit/can pass a medical) and possibly a few loans at the end of the 'window' Was hoping things would be dramatically improved with new owners...again although I understand they probably took over a real 'shitshow' , especially with regards to finance staff morale. Don't suppose I was the only one with hopes for a positive season
Braziliance "You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all." That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Yeah total rubbish mate, completely ignore the fact that all the biggest spenders in this league are finishing in the top6 or just outside it year after year.
We have never spent the cash enough and failed to find that out for ourselves, the one time we did we made a joke of this league.
Why are you using a scenario where we should be aspiring to be a league 1 side punching above their weight?
We aren't in that position and even if we were, as proven season after season, you'll stay in this league, other than the odd anomaly
First of all I'm not your mate, so please ditch the familiarity
Secondly I'm not suggesting that we should punch above our weight, after all what is our weight?
I do agree with you that sound finances help a club prosper but I suggest that is no good without wise decision making.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
That's exactly what I've been saying on the subject.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
But what reason would a manager with a good name/record have for coming here? Working under some questionable ownership, with heavy restrictions on transfers (allegedly), a lot of work that needs to be done but at a club that churns through a couple of managers every season.
A proper, reputable manager will look at that, tear up any job offer and keep on waiting for something better - it wouldn't be hard to find.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
That's exactly what I've been saying on the subject.
But few on here appear to agree.
Must be a factor though, I am sure plenty of players want to work with a manager who has known success at the top.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
But what reason would a manager with a good name/record have for coming here? Working under some questionable ownership, with heavy restrictions on transfers (allegedly), a lot of work that needs to be done but at a club that churns through a couple of managers every season.
A proper, reputable manager will look at that, tear up any job offer and keep on waiting for something better - it wouldn't be hard to find.
That was my point and I agree with your sentiments. We have been let down by the stewards of our club for more years than I care to remember. Most of them have been absolute rubbish, and that is being polite.
So far this lack of transfers window is showing the current lot as just as rubbish.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
That's exactly what I've been saying on the subject.
But few on here appear to agree.
Depends on the manager really though. Likes of Lampard and Rooney haven't covered themselves in glory.
we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward
I said this to Scott who didn't appear to agree (although tbf he can't say in public my 2 wing back signings are poor defensively.
we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward
I said this to Scott who didn't appear to agree (although tbf he can't say in public my 2 wing back signings are poor defensively.
Disagree on Tennai - think he’s been fairly strong attacking wise since the day he made his first appearance and he’s been trending upwards on his defensive contributions too.
Tennai started slowly, but he’s improved, and was good against Oxford, I thought. He put in a crunching Dobbo type tackle early on in the game. Tayo has been a bit up and down so far.
Definitely agree another natural LB is a big need. Given Edun was a converted CM originally I'm not surprised he's looked less than assured defensively. Can't be relying on playing Thomas or Asiimwe/T.Watson there in an emergency.
Coventry isn’t one I have heard, but if true I would imagine would be a permanent signing, he certainly fits the type of players we are looking.
I would add, that Dobson has been offer a take or leave or deal, if he doesn’t sign, he will be gone, same as CBT. But I think that is old news.
As I mentioned there is going to be a lot of transactions this month, in and out of the club. I honestly think these owners want to a big go at, I get to fans are once bitten twice as shy, and want instant success, but personally I feel we need to give them a bit of time, they haven’t done anything alarmingly wrong at the moment. They have a strategy and a plan, and it is certainly bette than the last few owners that’s for sure!
As I go back, there is a base on here would only be happy if it was Varney that took over!
It is a big month for Scott, if no improvement then we deserve to go after him, but at the moment the jury is out for me!
Why did we not do this in the summer?! They’ve basically wasted a season (and a very weak league 1) and missed a great opportunity.
If the money is there now, why wasn’t it in the summer? Just seems like a bit of an odd approach
Because basically the whole window was planned around Holden… he basically got the younger small squad he wanted!
But you were very happy with that squad weren't you? I seem to remember you were one of the few saying it was more than good enough.
Yes, I was, along with 90% of the charlton fans, a lot were good signings on paper. But then, we have had a lot of injuries.
And we signed the best goal scorer in the division, why wouldn’t you be happy with that?
90% of Charlton fans were not very happy with our squad at the start of the season. Hardly anyone fancied us for promotion and not that many thought we'd be top 6 and they were all right.
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
But what reason would a manager with a good name/record have for coming here? Working under some questionable ownership, with heavy restrictions on transfers (allegedly), a lot of work that needs to be done but at a club that churns through a couple of managers every season.
A proper, reputable manager will look at that, tear up any job offer and keep on waiting for something better - it wouldn't be hard to find.
Well, we'd need to accept that such a candidate would require a contract as watertight in his favour as a contract can be - something that one "with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level" would have negotiated before.
And, it goes without saying that such a candidate would expect to be paid more than one of the " musical chairs" bevy of ex managers ie the pool we inevitably appoint from as with the latest incumbent at our club.
Of course, there's never a guarantee that this method would ensure success as has been pointed out in the case of both Lampard & Rooney.
But surely stability & continuity in the managerial role is as important ( if not more so) than having a squad of senior players under decent contracts plus numerous loanees that may or may not turn out to be positive additions.
But as @fenlandaddick pointed out, this change of tactics in the search for a new manager would surely assist in the recruitment of players of perhaps a higher quality which has to be a plus.
We have our successful Academy and the reputation of bringing young players into the first team squad. "We built it", youngsters were attracted by its success and it has become an institution admired by our peers and beyond.
We have The Valley- an historic stadium envied by many, with decent transport links, and in London. What's not to like ?
We have former players & managers whose names will always be followed by " Oh yes, he was at Charlton ! " with Curbs, SCP & Mendonca being prime examples.
IF we had a manager with the attributes as indicated above on his CV, sought after by other clubs & with a record of running a tight but loyal ship ( NOT the Titanic) , who is known for getting the best out of his players and is well respected in the game, then that appointment could be the missing piece of the jigsaw and the foundation for our long awaited climb onwards & upwards.
Speculate to accumulate by appointing a manager who could well be worth his weight in gold.
Is that really too "left field" for our SMT/Board/owners to contemplate ?
A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.
Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.
That's exactly what I've been saying on the subject.
But few on here appear to agree.
Absolutely. I can’t imagine the reviews from Louis Watson on Appleton. Going back to Luton must be like a transfer to Madrid.
we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward
I said this to Scott who didn't appear to agree (although tbf he can't say in public my 2 wing back signings are poor defensively.
Disagree on Tennai - think he’s been fairly strong attacking wise since the day he made his first appearance and he’s been trending upwards on his defensive contributions too.
It’s all gone a bit quiet on Gillesphey, I hope that happens as he ticks all boxes of what we need at the moment
Apologies if already been said.
Plymouth supporting friend of mine reckons he failed his medical.
Rich Cawley was asked on Twitter if it was “still on” and his response was “it’s not off”.
Another Plymouth ITK who posted “Gillesphey to London” the day before he was spotted at the Valley has also said “the deal is still ON”.
My friend didn't say the deal was off, just that the medical had apparently failed. Might just explain why a deal's not been announced yet, and why Cawley's said "it's not off" and not something more substantial towards it being on.
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Bowyer might have spent very little on his promotion side, but I imagine the wages were top 3-5 for the division, the likes of Sarr, Bauer and Igor all signed in the Championship, and when Roland was still spending money (albeit not very well).
And however parsimonious he might have been the following summer, if he hadn't sold to ESI I'm sure we would have stayed up, as we were so close to survival even with the catastrophic mismanagement and transfer embargo under them.
But few on here appear to agree.
A proper, reputable manager will look at that, tear up any job offer and keep on waiting for something better - it wouldn't be hard to find.
That was my point and I agree with your sentiments. We have been let down by the stewards of our club for more years than I care to remember. Most of them have been absolute rubbish, and that is being polite.
Another Plymouth ITK who posted “Gillesphey to London” the day before he was spotted at the Valley has also said “the deal is still ON”.
Edun has me worried lately though.
Hardly anyone fancied us for promotion and not that many thought we'd be top 6 and they were all right.
And, it goes without saying that such a candidate would expect to be paid more than one of the " musical chairs" bevy of ex managers ie the pool we inevitably appoint from as with the latest incumbent at our club.
Of course, there's never a guarantee that this method would ensure success as has been pointed out in the case of both Lampard & Rooney.
But surely stability & continuity in the managerial role is as important ( if not more so) than having a squad of senior players under decent contracts plus numerous loanees that may or may not turn out to be positive additions.
But as @fenlandaddick pointed out, this change of tactics in the search for a new manager would surely assist in the recruitment of players of perhaps a higher quality which has to be a plus.
We have our successful Academy and the reputation of bringing young players into the first team squad. "We built it", youngsters were attracted by its success and it has become an institution admired by our peers and beyond.
We have The Valley- an historic stadium envied by many, with decent transport links, and in London. What's not to like ?
We have former players & managers whose names will always be followed by " Oh yes, he was at Charlton ! " with Curbs, SCP & Mendonca being prime examples.
IF we had a manager with the attributes as indicated above on his CV, sought after by other clubs & with a record of running a tight but loyal ship ( NOT the Titanic) , who is known for getting the best out of his players and is well respected in the game, then that appointment could be the missing piece of the jigsaw and the foundation for our long awaited climb onwards & upwards.
Speculate to accumulate by appointing a manager who could well be worth his weight in gold.
Is that really too "left field" for our SMT/Board/owners to contemplate ?
Absolutely. I can’t imagine the reviews from Louis Watson on Appleton. Going back to Luton must be like a transfer to Madrid.