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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)

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  • I reckon if a club came in for Maddison he would definitely go, but they weren't queuing up to sign him in the summer so it seems unlikely 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,620
    mendonca said:
    I don't know why but this constant bigging up is doing my head in abit:

    "He has improved as a player under us. The list is bloody endless – of people doing well and moving on."

    Agreed. I think he came here as a player with confidence and played with freedom and he’s leaving a shadow of that player.
    Surely not. Everyone knows that players improve under Bowyer......
  • MattF said:
    I'm not on twitter so can someone tell Cawley not to be so cryptic and just tell us straight.  :)
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    cafc_se7 said:
    Scoham said:
    Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
    Or why he can't manager or use flair players who make games interesting . One minute people are saying how piss poor League 1 is and the next minute they are happy that the flair players are being flogged off.  Lately I have been bored by this never ending defensive stance and demands that players do duties ill fitting them.

    However I am fed up with Williams' constant falling over when blown one by an opponent .

    I don't know what to make of this news. 25 appearances this season apparently. 
    Is Millar not a flair player?
     One swallow does not a summer make.

     Fosu
     Williams 
     Maddison 
     
    None greatest at a tackle but is that always necessary.  

    What about Doughty and Gallagher then?

    Or Lyle Taylor...

    Bowyer being unable to work with flair players is a myth - the difference is he sets his teams up to all work, those who dont, dont play... 
    Doughty isn't a flair player is he . He is about pace alone mostly. 

    Gallagher is a midfield player who is box to box and can pass well. He also likes a tackle. 

    Maddison and Fosu and Williams are flair type players.  
    Exactly a flair player is someone who is skillful with the ball

    Gallagher and Aribo were perfect examples of players who could run with it, pass or shoot

    The difference being is those two could do it with consistent results at the right end whilst also putting in a shit at the other

    Maddison | Fosu | Williams have all thought they're too high and mighty to do the dirty work, doesnt wash down here
     That doesn't seem to put Brentford of Fosu and Brentford are a far better team than Charlton. 

    Williams,  high and mighty ?

    Maddison 246 plus  appearances in 5 and a half years with a big goals and assists record doesn't sound like a player not pulling his weight does it ?

    Aribo,  well the one I watched went missing  for stretches of the game. 
    Re. Maddison, I am afraid...what you are quoting has been and gone. You may want to ask Hull for example about their thoughts on him....a team who have also had him since this goals and assists record you mention. Something ain’t right between the ears!
     I know I am winning  an argument  when you resort to insults 😀
    I think he was insulting Maddison. Not you. But could be wrong. 

    FWIW I think the right manager would see Maddison come good again. He needs for me to be the tip of the diamond player when we play that formation. The 'free role' if you will. He has started there once and did pretty well (AFC Wombles), was involved in 3/5 of our goals in that game. No direct assists, but even then he created a few one on one opportunities for the forwards with his vision and passing ability.

    If Albie could learn from any of our current crop, it'd be Maddison. Coupled with Bowyer drilling him on the grafting side he could develop to be very good. 

    Anyway back to rumours, I like the sound of us signing Kirk. Would be more competition for places and a player of our own come the end of the season.  


  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    I hate deadline day, we hope and hope and end up with diddly squat.
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  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    Sad to see that. Had hoped Wiredu would break through
  • Hal1x said:
    I hate deadline day, we hope and hope and end up with diddly squat.
    How tall, and can he play CB?
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,346
    Where is Wiredu going?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    Chunes said:
    Where is Wiredu going?
    A club that remotely knows how to handle attacking players
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    I liked Brendan. Let’s hope we don’t see him as ‘one who got away’ in a few years time.
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    Chunes said:
    Where is Wiredu going?
    Not said yet. Doesn’t sound too happy to be off but then I guess he’s been here for years
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,167
    mendonca said:
    I don't know why but this constant bigging up is doing my head in abit:

    "He has improved as a player under us. The list is bloody endless – of people doing well and moving on."

    Agreed. I think he came here as a player with confidence and played with freedom and he’s leaving a shadow of that player.
    This is an interesting re-imagining of history. When we signed Jonny he was at his lowest point in his career. He'd had a number of unsuccessful loans due to injuries, his most recent being 8 appearances at Ipswich and then 12 at Sunderland where he was having problems with confidence, isolation and loneliness. That player was a shadow of himself. We then signed him, gave him a proper home and he made 16 appearances, which is the most he'd made since 2012/13 culminating in being part of a promotion squad. He was then a huge part of our Championship team until injury hit again and set him back. He's struggled to regain his form since then but Charlton is the first time Jonny has been able to show what he's about and look happy at a club since he broke through at Palace, and he's now being signed by a Championship club with designs on making the Play-Offs again, even if they've not performed this season. We took a player who was struggling to get game time at L1 level and helped him rebuild his career, suggesting that because he's struggled to get into a team that doesn't really suit his style this year has been bad for him is just bizarre. He chose to re-sign with us in the summer and I'm sure he'd say that signing for Charlton was a decision that he doesn't regret.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,726
    CB was the absolute priority for me this window. Really can't work out why we're not in for one.
  • Guess Wiredu is potentially another Dempsey

    If he's going to be out of contract in the summer then renewing will mean he's going to effect the Salary Cap - Clubs shouldn't be allowed to stockpile but clubs with decent academies at this level are being forced to make knee jerk reactions because of it.

    Charlie Kirk and Crewe is probably another perfect example where the club who produced the player either cant afford to keep them (because they've outgrown the club) or because they're going to take up a spot in the Salary Cap because they've not quite reached the level as yet.

    Am bored of saying it, am sure people are bored of reading it... But its the part of the cap that is fucking insane!!
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  • Belv
    Belv Posts: 836
    Don't think £500k will be enough to get Kirk.

    18 months left on his contract, Crewe in with a shout of the play-offs themselves, why would they sell an asset to a rival for that price?
  • Chunes said:
    Where is Wiredu going?
    Colchester
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,586
    Seems like there's been a few issues with Wiredu, never mentioned by Bowyer and clearly one of our more talented current academy players. Agree with the above that he will probably be very good for whoever signs him. Wish him the best of luck, assume he doesn't count towards the cap as he wasn't in the squad. 
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    edited February 2021
    Belv said:
    Don't think £500k will be enough to get Kirk.

    18 months left on his contract, Crewe in with a shout of the play-offs themselves, why would they sell an asset to a rival for that price?
    He signed a three year deal in 2018 so by my reckoning he’s in the last 5/6 months of that contract so can see them cashing in if he isn’t going to sign a new deal! That’s unless he signed a new deal since then. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    ButtleJR said:
    Have a feeling Maddison will be offloaded as well tbh
    Agreed, but cant think of any team who would want to take him on. Imagine it will be another league one club but cant see it being a promotion rival or Maddison would fancy playing for a relegation battler.
    Someone like Wycombe or Rotherham might be ideal... Gives him the chance to play in the Championship again
    I’ve heard Sunderland are interested in Maddison but need a player or two to leave first 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited February 2021
    I saw this season as make or break for Wiredu as we don't ever seem to hold any young players in the U23's up to the age of 22. Seems to be make it by 21 or gone. 

    Quite a few other kids due to expire this summer too. 

    MFDempsey30/06/21
    MFVennings30/06/21
    MFWiredu30/06/21
    CBMingi30/06/21
    CBVega30/06/21
    FWClayden30/06/21
    FWAoucharia30/06/21
    GKHarness30/06/21
    GKOsaghe30/06/21
    MFQuitirna30/06/21
  • Dazzler21 said:
    I saw this season as make or break for Wiredu as we don't ever seem to hold any young players in the U23's up to the age of 22. Seems to be make it by 21 or gone. 

    Quite a few other kids due to expire this summer too. 

    MFDempsey30/06/21
    MFVennings30/06/21
    MFWiredu30/06/21
    CBMingi30/06/21
    CBVega30/06/21
    FWClayden30/06/21
    FWAoucharia30/06/21
    GKHarness30/06/21
    GKOsaghe30/06/21
    MFQuitirna30/06/21
    Would be surprised if any stay other than Vennings and Osaghe, maybe Aoucharia will get one last year given his injuries
  • Belv
    Belv Posts: 836
    RedRobin said:
    Belv said:
    Don't think £500k will be enough to get Kirk.

    18 months left on his contract, Crewe in with a shout of the play-offs themselves, why would they sell an asset to a rival for that price?
    He signed a three year deal in 2018 so by my reckoning he’s in the last 5/6 months of that contract so can see them cashing in if he isn’t going to sign a new deal! That’s unless he signed a new deal since then. 
    Signed a new deal in the summer I read earlier today.
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    Quitirna simply has to stay. He’s one of our standout players and I can’t see why he’s not already had a chance in the first team.