ForeverAddickted said:Exactly a flair player is someone who is skillful with the balladdick1956 said:Doughty isn't a flair player is he . He is about pace alone mostly.ForeverAddickted said:What about Doughty and Gallagher then?addick1956 said:One swallow does not a summer make.Scoham said:Is Millar not a flair player?addick1956 said:Or why he can't manager or use flair players who make games interesting . One minute people are saying how piss poor League 1 is and the next minute they are happy that the flair players are being flogged off. Lately I have been bored by this never ending defensive stance and demands that players do duties ill fitting them.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
However I am fed up with Williams' constant falling over when blown one by an opponent .
I don't know what to make of this news. 25 appearances this season apparently.
Fosu
Williams
Maddison
None greatest at a tackle but is that always necessary.
Or Lyle Taylor...
Bowyer being unable to work with flair players is a myth - the difference is he sets his teams up to all work, those who dont, dont play...
Gallagher is a midfield player who is box to box and can pass well. He also likes a tackle.
Maddison and Fosu and Williams are flair type players.
Gallagher and Aribo were perfect examples of players who could run with it, pass or shoot
The difference being is those two could do it with consistent results at the right end whilst also putting in a shit at the other
Maddison | Fosu | Williams have all thought they're too high and mighty to do the dirty work, doesnt wash down here
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If we don’t need to let him go to strengthen the team we should keep him for when the weather gets warmer and the pitches start to firm up and his contribution to the game increases and we are facing the run in to the end of the season1
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Bizarre that Swindon had 3 Smiths on loan in the first half of the season, Tyler, Matt and Jonny!ForeverAddickted said:
Oh thats going to be hilarious watching the meltdown on twitter before people realise its not the same blokeRedvaliant said:Having a feeling of déjà vu from last January's window. Matt Smith, but this one's from Arsenal.
Although reading Sheridan's comments it sounds like this Matt Smith isnt getting game time because even they want another Midfielder inJohn Sheridan revealed Town have been considering sending Smith back to North London early, many fans have been wondering why the Swindon boss would get rid of one of the club’s standout players.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19046523.arsenals-matt-smith-may-loan-cut-short-swindon-sign-new-midfielder/0 -
I can see both sides of the Williams argument.
Likeable guy, apparently always trains well, experienced at a higher level than we're at.
But on the flip side of that is where does he fit into our team and his record is poor. He's started 36 games for us, made another 26 sub appearances, totalling well over 3000 minutes on the pitch. He's an attacking midfielder. And he's scored TWICE.
Ben Purrington joined us 1 week after Williams, he's a left back. And he's got 5 goals for us!4 -
I am not saying I am adverse to getting another loan in. But I wouldn't want Williams' replacement to be a loan. If he IS to go, I would want a proper investment player for the club. Tomorrow all of a sudden looks like it could be a busy day.2
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I think that would be the max we’d get. They know the contract situation and that he doesn’t start.Dizzle said:
I’ve seen 200k mentioned. Potentially even lessRed_Chester said:With Williams contract up at the end of the season I expect their to be little to no fee for him going their.0 -
I agree, I think a statement signing at this point can do you the world of goodRC_CAFC said:I am not saying I am adverse to getting another loan in. But I wouldn't want Williams' replacement to be a loan. If he IS to go, I would want a proper investment player for the club. Tomorrow all of a sudden looks like it could be a busy day.1 -
Is Millar not a flair player?addick1956 said:
Or why he can't manager or use flair players who make games interesting . One minute people are saying how piss poor League 1 is and the next minute they are happy that the flair players are being flogged off. Lately I have been bored by this never ending defensive stance and demands that players do duties ill fitting them.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
However I am fed up with Williams' constant falling over when blown one by an opponent .
I don't know what to make of this news. 25 appearances this season apparently.2 -
Thought they were both "released" ie free transfersValley27000 said:
George and Bogle.ForeverAddickted said: see
I'd be surprised if we got anywhere near £200k for GeorgeValley27000 said:Can't see us getting more then £200k for Bogle and George.
Got to remember how much we paid for Purrington as an example, we also signed Schwartz for about £300k0 -
I like Jonny, bit think we have to listen to any offers.
Quite how he's managing to attract higher level clubs with his woeful scoring record is quite beyond me. He blows hot and cold far too often.
I wasn't happy with his last performance and saw a few examples of him hiding. Calling for the ball when he's got a line of 4 opposition players in a line between him and the ball is a classic example. It's the kind of thing I give pelters to my 14 yo about.
I just don't think he fits with what Bowyer is trying to achieve. This is a different animal to 2018 when we had the players that could carry him1 -
We bid for a Prem U23 winger on Friday (I know for a fact, but it didn’t happen.BFG94 said:No point in selling Jonny if there's no replacement. Having said that, I would keep him anyway. OK, he might not score and does not have a lot of assists to his name but he scares the hell out of opposing defenders, opening up space for others when he is on ball and winning us a lot of free-kicks. Not his fault a lot of those free-kicks are wasted.
Looks like JW will be gone Monday.0 - Sponsored links:
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I don’t read too much into the ‘how many goals and assists’ argument, as it’s a bit too simplistic a way of debating a player of Williams’ role.
If we had strikers that could finish better, then Williams’ assist rate would be much higher.
If Williams wasn’t left on the bench so often, then his numbers would be higher.
A player of his quality in League One is very, very rare and I think Bowyer has to take responsibility for not getting the best out of that opportunity. The team should have been built around him this season, but nope, all about Pratley.20 -
You can blame players around him for his lack of goal contributions but when you see Purrington has twice as many goals in 20 less games I think your argument goes out the window.cafctom said:I don’t read too much into the ‘how many goals and assists’ argument, as it’s a bit too simplistic a way of debating a player of Williams’ role.
If we had strikers that could finish better, then Williams’ assist rate would be much higher.
If Williams wasn’t left on the bench so often, then his numbers would be higher.
A player of his quality in League One is very, very rare and I think Bowyer has to take responsibility for not getting the best out of that opportunity. The team should have been built around him this season, but nope, all about Pratley.4 -
Did the player move elsewhere Phil?Valiantphil said:
We bid for a Prem U23 winger on Friday (I know for a fact, but it didn’t happen.BFG94 said:No point in selling Jonny if there's no replacement. Having said that, I would keep him anyway. OK, he might not score and does not have a lot of assists to his name but he scares the hell out of opposing defenders, opening up space for others when he is on ball and winning us a lot of free-kicks. Not his fault a lot of those free-kicks are wasted.
Looks like JW will be gone Monday.0 -
If we bid for a Prem U23 on Friday but didn't get him, why would we let JW go? No point losing another player without a cast iron replacement in through the doors!Valiantphil said:
We bid for a Prem U23 winger on Friday (I know for a fact, but it didn’t happen.BFG94 said:No point in selling Jonny if there's no replacement. Having said that, I would keep him anyway. OK, he might not score and does not have a lot of assists to his name but he scares the hell out of opposing defenders, opening up space for others when he is on ball and winning us a lot of free-kicks. Not his fault a lot of those free-kicks are wasted.
Looks like JW will be gone Monday.2 -
I wonder if he’s been aware of interest and him pulling out of that tackle the other week is him not wanting to risk the move?
if he does go, i’m not too fussed about losing him, I don’t think he is doing anything that we’ll particularly miss.
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Firstly, and possibly to his detriment depending on your point of view, I don't think that Bowyer believes in building a team around anyone.cafctom said:I don’t read too much into the ‘how many goals and assists’ argument, as it’s a bit too simplistic a way of debating a player of Williams’ role.
If we had strikers that could finish better, then Williams’ assist rate would be much higher.
If Williams wasn’t left on the bench so often, then his numbers would be higher.
A player of his quality in League One is very, very rare and I think Bowyer has to take responsibility for not getting the best out of that opportunity. The team should have been built around him this season, but nope, all about Pratley.
Secondly, you can't build a team around a player who spends as much time injured as Williams is. Can you imagine the backlash if he had and Williams got crocked?2 -
I think we should be looking less at getting Johnny out and more how can we get rid of Maddison.
He’s a bad egg, done nothing on the pitch and we’d get the benefit of his full wages to the cap for a replacement.
Whatever you think of him, somethings obviously gone on with Bow so I can’t see him playing again.
I’m also very interested in Thomas’s strategy. He put £12m in the bank for the running costs for 2 seasons, which is amazing but he’s also brought in £3-4m in player sales and we’ve spent £0.3m
Why aren’t we trying to use this money or a portion of it to sign the best 19/20 YO players in the EFL. We’ve clearly said we won’t pay the money for Randell I see the promised Jules going to MK. So where are we? Is there a plan B? A big push in the summer maybe?
Or has TS taken a look at the losses and lost his bottle a little since all the Prem in 5 years stuff, he’s been really quiet lately.
im not digging him out (I’ll forever be thankful) but I’m interested to see how this plays out and what the plan is.10 -
The lack of matchday revenue is going to be a big factor behind where that £3-4m is going thoughMaccn05 said:I think we should be looking less at getting Johnny out and more how can we get rid of Maddison.
He’s a bad egg, done nothing on the pitch and we’d get the benefit of his full wages to the cap for a replacement.
Whatever you think of him, somethings obviously gone on with Bow so I can’t see him playing again.
I’m also very interested in Thomas’s strategy. He put £12m in the bank for the running costs for 2 seasons, which is amazing but he’s also brought in £3-4m in player sales and we’ve spent £0.3m
Why aren’t we trying to use this money or a portion of it to sign the best 19/20 YO players in the EFL. We’ve clearly said we won’t pay the money for Randell I see the promised Jules going to MK. So where are we? Is there a plan B? A big push in the summer maybe?
Or has TS taken a look at the losses and lost his bottle a little since all the Prem in 5 years stuff, he’s been really quiet lately.
im not digging him out (I’ll forever be thankful) but I’m interested to see how this plays out and what the plan is.
Signing youngsters may well be an approach in the summer when we can have a full preseason under Sandgaard to properly organise and build a team that can last, rather than what we've endured for so long which is a team that seems to last a year before being broken up again3 -
Reckon he's written off promotion this year and we are keeping our powder dry, albeit we won't have much powder when/if the cap is still in place. I am convinced TS is a shrewd cookie with good advisors around him.
But i hope a lot when it comes to Charlton.6 -
JW manages to play 90 minutes for WalesTodds_right_hook said:Is Williams incapable of playing 90 minutes or has bowyer never tried?
bowyer seems very set in his ways and won’t try anything different, he comes across as that guy who doesn’t like curry despite never having a curry.
I appreciate that Williams has had fitness issues but how do we know he can’t play 90 minutes without trying. The same thing was said about Aneke who has been a regular starter recently and has hit a lot more minutes under his belt1 - Sponsored links:
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Think there is a fair bit of cat and mouse with Randall. I think he will sign tomorrow, but for nowhere near what Exeter want. Reckon it will be in the region of £500k with various add ons.Maccn05 said:I think we should be looking less at getting Johnny out and more how can we get rid of Maddison.
He’s a bad egg, done nothing on the pitch and we’d get the benefit of his full wages to the cap for a replacement.
Whatever you think of him, somethings obviously gone on with Bow so I can’t see him playing again.
I’m also very interested in Thomas’s strategy. He put £12m in the bank for the running costs for 2 seasons, which is amazing but he’s also brought in £3-4m in player sales and we’ve spent £0.3m
Why aren’t we trying to use this money or a portion of it to sign the best 19/20 YO players in the EFL. We’ve clearly said we won’t pay the money for Randell I see the promised Jules going to MK. So where are we? Is there a plan B? A big push in the summer maybe?
Or has TS taken a look at the losses and lost his bottle a little since all the Prem in 5 years stuff, he’s been really quiet lately.
im not digging him out (I’ll forever be thankful) but I’m interested to see how this plays out and what the plan is.2 -
few things
1 - why does selling a player with 6 months left and on a decent slice of cap suddenly equal we’ve jacked the season in?
2 - Williams blows too hot and cold, he doesn’t effect games as much this season as he did two years ago, so if he doesn’t fit, then cash in
3 - TS doesn’t need to tweet to soothe the minds of those who need constant reassurance. The club is stable and making long term decisions37 -
The question re JW should be if he goes or if he stays would it make any difference to our chances of getting promoted this season ? I think even his biggest fan would say the answer to that question is not a lot. Unfortunately for us he has always flattered to deceive ( we can argue the reasons for that as long as you like ) but the facts are there. If we manage to bring any more by tomorrow night thel all good but if not we have had a decent window regardless imo3
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What about Doughty and Gallagher then?addick1956 said:
One swallow does not a summer make.Scoham said:
Is Millar not a flair player?addick1956 said:
Or why he can't manager or use flair players who make games interesting . One minute people are saying how piss poor League 1 is and the next minute they are happy that the flair players are being flogged off. Lately I have been bored by this never ending defensive stance and demands that players do duties ill fitting them.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
However I am fed up with Williams' constant falling over when blown one by an opponent .
I don't know what to make of this news. 25 appearances this season apparently.
Fosu
Williams
Maddison
None greatest at a tackle but is that always necessary.
Or Lyle Taylor...
Bowyer being unable to work with flair players is a myth - the difference is he sets his teams up to all work, those who dont, dont play...13 -
The flair player stuff is bollocks as well, he likes a player who earns the right to be flashy, you can see how much he likes Millar, because he will put a shift in alongside the step overs. (I don’t think anything else would
be expected of a Liverpool player at the moment)
Taylor, Grant, Gallagher, Aribo etc etc prove he has time for that type of player18 -
Not a lot new in there really but still
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/cardiff-city-working-on-deal-for-charlton-attacker-jonny-williams
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Cue for The Clash;AndyG said:The question re JW should be if he goes or if he stays would it make any difference to our chances of getting promoted this season ? I think even his biggest fan would say the answer to that question is not a lot. Unfortunately for us he has always flattered to deceive ( we can argue the reasons for that as long as you like ) but the facts are there. If we manage to bring any more by tomorrow night thel all good but if not we have had a decent window regardless imo
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Exactly a flair player is someone who is skillful with the balladdick1956 said:
Doughty isn't a flair player is he . He is about pace alone mostly.ForeverAddickted said:
What about Doughty and Gallagher then?addick1956 said:
One swallow does not a summer make.Scoham said:
Is Millar not a flair player?addick1956 said:
Or why he can't manager or use flair players who make games interesting . One minute people are saying how piss poor League 1 is and the next minute they are happy that the flair players are being flogged off. Lately I have been bored by this never ending defensive stance and demands that players do duties ill fitting them.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
However I am fed up with Williams' constant falling over when blown one by an opponent .
I don't know what to make of this news. 25 appearances this season apparently.
Fosu
Williams
Maddison
None greatest at a tackle but is that always necessary.
Or Lyle Taylor...
Bowyer being unable to work with flair players is a myth - the difference is he sets his teams up to all work, those who dont, dont play...
Gallagher is a midfield player who is box to box and can pass well. He also likes a tackle.
Maddison and Fosu and Williams are flair type players.
Gallagher and Aribo were perfect examples of players who could run with it, pass or shoot
The difference being is those two could do it with consistent results at the right end whilst also putting in a shit at the other
Maddison | Fosu | Williams have all thought they're too high and mighty to do the dirty work, doesnt wash down here1 -
To be fair they did put some crap in at the other end as well 😁.
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