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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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Another midfielder?! What is the point in that. He might be a great player but it’s not what we need.I also can’t understand why we don’t just pay the fee for Randall. If he’s any good we’ll be worth 5x more in 6 months - Exeter seem to think he’s as good as Watkins17
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Smith will be a replacement for Williams, but having played the whole season in the same league. I'd be happy with that.
No doubt a few simpletons will struggle with him having the same (common) name as a loanee who didn't work out.1 -
Some fans thought that Jordan Cook and Lee Cook were the same person, so you are right with that prediction...mendonca said:Smith will be a replacement for Williams, but having played the whole season in the same league. I'd be happy with that.
No doubt a few simpletons will struggle with him having the same (common) name as a loanee who didn't work out.8 -
So that's 6 loans in the squad and with famewo nearly fit, only 5 can be used, will be interesting to see if this changes tomorrow. Perhaps TS has given up on promotion this year and will rebuild in the close season.0
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Give us Phillip's on loan......😊MuttleyCAFC said:Well, I might say to McCarthy, We are not the Cardiff City benevolent society. If you want him, how can you help us get promoted in return?1 -
They are no where near as rare as you might imagine, it happens quite a lot when you move a player to a club who can't/won't pay what you are paying him, else no players would ever move down the ladder.cafcfan1990 said:
I don't think anyone can be sure but I'd be surprised if the EFL wouldn't investigate this. Loyalty bonuses to leave are I assume very rare. A mutual termination of the contract is fairly common but Club A paying Club B as a transfer fee, and then Club B passing that transfer fee onto the player, I cannot see it being allowed. It's clearly a way to bend the rules and I'd be extremely shocked if the EFL didn't have something within the terms to prevent it.Cafc43v3r said:
Right if we make a bid for Shinnie of £100 to Luton and they say yes, he is out of contract anyway so no problem.CAFCsayer said:
If this is possible under the rules of the cap then great, I was under the impression it wasntcafcdave123 said:
We then say Mr Shinnie, we would like to offer you 1.7k (William's cap salary). He replies I am very sorry Mr Bowyer but Luton are paying me 4.5k a week and have to until the end of the season, I can't accept that.
We ring Luton and say we are really sorry we can't agree personal terms, deal is off. We are about 60k short on a 20 week contract.
They ring Mr Shinnie and say, look aren't going to play here, nor get a new contract what can we do to smooth the transfer over? I would like to stay at Charlton Mr Jones, if you could compensate me for ending my contract early I am sure I could agree terms. If you pay you £60k would you consider the offer they made?
Yes I would, thank you very much Mr Jones. Steve, its Nathan, give us 60k, not £100 and the deal is good to go.
I can't see how Charlton could be seen to be at fault here. Clubs pay up contracts, pay loyalty bonuses for players to leave, all sorts. The big clubs some times end up playing players fortunes to do one.
Remember the selling club used to pay the signing on fee, about 10%, if the player didn't ask for a transfer. Derby paid Chris Powell's when we first signed him.0 -
I don’t understand the logic in losing a senior member of the squad for a 20yo on loan.mendonca said:Smith will be a replacement for Williams, but having played the whole season in the same league. I'd be happy with that.
No doubt a few simpletons will struggle with him having the same (common) name as a loanee who didn't work out.We already have Stockley, Millar, Maatsen, Shinnie and Famewo on loan - which one of those is going to be excluded from the match-day squad to facilitate another midfielder?We’re just adding to the already massive rebuild needed in the summer.14 -
I hope we sign Smith an excuse to repost this
So far he has been a defensive midfielder, a box to box one, a qpr reject, a 6'5 center forward, a Wales legend, only capped by Wales to stop him playing for England, the next Colin Bell, the next Polish Pete, cover for Cullen, Lockyer's best mate, highly rated by Johnny Williams. Have I missed anything?
That was only on page 2 😳😳
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Shinnie is the only name there that could be signed on a perm, but his wages are too big of a jump. Unless Famewo has had another setback and we'll be sending him back?1
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I'll add the Bond theme he wrote and sang was pretty decent.Cafc43v3r said:I hope we sign Smith an excuse to repost this
So far he has been a defensive midfielder, a box to box one, a qpr reject, a 6'5 center forward, a Wales legend, only capped by Wales to stop him playing for England, the next Colin Bell, the next Polish Pete, cover for Cullen, Lockyer's best mate, highly rated by Johnny Williams. Have I missed anything?
That was only on page 2 😳😳1 -
There are 3 Matt Smiths & we get the young untried & untested one. Great.MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)
Let me know when Welling unearth a loval lad called Lionel Messi wont you....3 -
Attaboy Golfie, c*nt the lad off before we've even announced his signing. A new (low) record, even by your ultra low standards.golfaddick said:
There are 3 Matt Smiths & we get the young untried & untested one. Great.MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)
Let me know when Welling unearth a loval lad called Lionel Messi wont you....28 -
Well, we had one of the others and he was dogshit.golfaddick said:
There are 3 Matt Smiths & we get the young untried & untested one. Great.MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)
Let me know when Welling unearth a loval lad called Lionel Messi wont you....
The less said about the other one, the better0 -
I thought the Clarke-Harris transfer was completed before any wage cap existed anyway.995632 said:
Peterborough apparently did this for Clarke-Harris; paid £1.6m and he got allegedly got a top up to his 'wagrs' via a payoff from Bristol Rovers... Allegedly...killerandflash said:
I've been wondering how you could "bend" the rules over this, when dealing with a club not affected by the capcafcdave123 said:
If he is on 5000 a week, then his wage cost for the 5 months to the end of June would be say £110k (£150k including NI etc)
We pay Luton a transfer fee of £200k. They give him a payoff of £100K.
We then pay him 1000 a week, costing us say £30k.
The £200k is a transfer fee, so not covered by the cap. The £100k payoff is paid by Luton, who aren't covered by the cap.1 -
That’s what crossed my mind about Famewo so as to keep the loans at five, hope I wrong because we’ll definitely need a CB or two then 😲.sam3110 said:Shinnie is the only name there that could be signed on a perm, but his wages are too big of a jump. Unless Famewo has had another setback and we'll be sending him back?0 -
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Attaboy Golfie, c*nt the lad off before we've even announced his signing. A new (low) record, even by your ultra low standards.golfaddick said:
There are 3 Matt Smiths & we get the young untried & untested one. Great.MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)
Let me know when Welling unearth a loval lad called Lionel Messi wont you....
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We haven’t signed him yet but if we do it’s the one that’s played regularly in the league we’re in. That alone makes him more likely to do well than the Man City one.golfaddick said:
There are 3 Matt Smiths & we get the young untried & untested one. Great.MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)
Let me know when Welling unearth a loval lad called Lionel Messi wont you....1 -
Signing this kid from Arsenal on loan is so underwhelming! We need to be building for next season, I’m resigned to the fact we ain’t going up this season but this isn’t a show of intent to constantly sign players on loan. No disrespect to Thomas but he needs to put his money where his mouth is, signing Randall would be exactly that but looks very, very unlikely.I can see us putting in another token bid but it won’t happen, it’ll be the same as Sorba Thomas.4
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I have done no such thing. Merely commenting that there are 3 Matt Smiths that play football (that I know of) and we are linked to one that is pretty much untestedOff_it said:
Attaboy Golfie, c*nt the lad off before we've even announced his signing. A new (low) record, even by your ultra low standards.golfaddick said:
There are 3 Matt Smiths & we get the young untried & untested one. Great.MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)
Let me know when Welling unearth a loval lad called Lionel Messi wont you....
.....apart from playing in a team that is in the bottom 4 of the league we are currently playing in.
And he is supposedly going to replace a Welsh International.
Sorry if I am a little underwhelmed by it all.0 - Sponsored links:
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Thought we were passed needing to build a squad of loan players? More of the same.
And why another CM??1 -
I wrote my post on the assumption that Williams wants to go. If he is happy to assess the land in Summer, I would keep him rather than fetch a hurried replacement.ElliotCAFC said:
I don’t understand the logic in losing a senior member of the squad for a 20yo on loan.mendonca said:Smith will be a replacement for Williams, but having played the whole season in the same league. I'd be happy with that.
No doubt a few simpletons will struggle with him having the same (common) name as a loanee who didn't work out.We already have Stockley, Millar, Maatsen, Shinnie and Famewo on loan - which one of those is going to be excluded from the match-day squad to facilitate another midfielder?We’re just adding to the already massive rebuild needed in the summer.
You mention the term Senior Pro.
The characteristics of that role entails the responsibility I would like to see JW display. To be dangerous further forward and have more balls in front of goal. The hoofed chance at the Valley a few games back from 5 yards comes to mind. I want to see him play like a Senior member of our squad and make a difference to the scoreline.0 -
Williams - 7 starts this season - 18 points gained.11
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I actually came on to post something on the ongoing discussions regarding teams paying up contracts so we can sign them.(Shinnie)
Cant see how that would work if Shinnie is on £5k a week. He might accept a pay off from Luton but would probably want something close to want he is getting at Luton, over presumably 2 or 3 years. Getting rid of Williams on a contract that (for the salary cap calculation) is £1.7k per week is daft if you can't replace him like for like. Shinnie isn't going to accept £1.7k per week over 3 years is he. That is at least £3k per week less than he is on now......£150k pa, so £450k over 3 years. Pay Luton £500k that they pass onto him might work (if it doesnt fall foul of the EFL)
Or just do what I've been saying for months. Go over the cap & take the hit in the future......or tell the EFL we'll see them in Court under restraint of trade and/or age discrimination.0 -
“One of these” like they’re objects 😆 ... do they only come in black or white?MattF said:As an extension to a random Twitter rumour (isn't that Matt Smith on the left?)0 -
Why sell Williams and replace with a loan player? Another summer rebuild is on the way again, unless we make perm signings nothing will change.4
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If we sign Arsenal kid on loan then CB permanent?.I see it a CB on loan then another player permanent.0
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I can understand selling him in the Summer but not now. My suspicion is that Bowyer wanted to sell Williams to free up some permanent signings before Thomas came in and took us over and before the cap restrictions came in. Williams insisted on activating the clause in his contract and this prevented Bowyer doing what he wanted to do. And we had a clue with Fosu. If you annoy the bloke it seems to become personal with him.0
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Let's see what happens over the next 27 hours. It's all about squad balance and looking to the future. Selling Williams and one young loan player coming in and tomorrow would be a bad day. But Rich Cawley has already said we're after a couple and he wasn't aware on the Williams link yesterday. Smith is a promising link to me if it is with others.0
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Swindon fans seem frustrated to see Matt Smith go -
https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=28647.414751
