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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)
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Nahki Wells going to Bristol City0
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Have we signed him then?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.0 -
It really is as simple as that.JoshAddick said:The value of staying in the Championship is far greater than the price we will get for Lyle2 -
You’d think with all the money they earn, footballers could afford a charger!Jamie19 said:
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Yep exactly.cafcfan1990 said:
Let’s not blame Roland. Any failures in this window are nothing to do with him.bolloxbolder said:Whatever happened to the money Roland promised us for Djiksteel?
The more I think about the last couple of windows under Roland, the more I realise that LB / Gallen were equipped to do some good stuff. We had an excellent last couple of windows under RDs tenure. Really strong.
ESI need to surpass Roland at the absolute minimum. They cant be immune to criticism - if Roland was overseeing this month up to now there would be uproar.0 -
As I said earlier. They cannot sell Taylor for any money. Silly money. Whatever.Airman Brown said:
You can always pick out odd games or short sequences of matches, but we never got anywhere near replacing Kermorgant in the side until 2018 and that was one of the reasons we went down in 2016 and stayed down for three years. My comment has nothing to do with ESI, it's about the endless ability of football fans in general to swallow and regurgitate any old nonsense in these situations. If we sell Taylor, we will be more likely to go down, as we were in 2014 after we sold Kermorgant.Cafc43v3r said:
We shouldn't have sold Yann, when we did, I don't think anyone would argue with that.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
It would be madness at this time and predicament we find ourselves in.
They have openly stated they want to make the fans happy. Selling Taylor would be a real double negative on that front.
How many fans will openly be pleased with a sale regardless of how much it was for?
These are the kinds of things they need to be thinking about.
It's entirely in their hands.
I know it's been said before, but the next 48hrs will be a huge indication of what ESI are actually all about.5 -
Source ?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.0 -
Sounds like we're going to miss out on Maddison then.0
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Fair question. The teams who have the ability to spend an obscene amount of money are in the league above us. I've always thought that the January window is just a dick measuring contest amongst the extremely wealthy teams to see who can pay the most for a player. From a business stand point, I really dont think overpaying for a player like Toney is sustainable. Money talks in football and I absolutely hate it. There's always the chance to pick up a good player early, but if we seem too eager and chuck a giant amount of cash at one player early in the window, the other clubs will expect that we'd do the same for the rest of the window, and it makes it impossible to make sensible deals for the rest of the window. The first 3 weeks of the window are a joke. When we wait it out, the better deals come. So no, I dont think the January window should be scrapped, I just wish the footballing world had a sense of realitygolfaddick said:
Seeing as everyone, from clubs through to fans reckon the January transfer window is a waste of time & effort.....with v few decent players available and the ones that are are over-priced....then why not scrap it. Just have one window from June to August & once the season starts then that's it.Rossman92 said:
No....? Because teams like us need to strengthen. Replace players who are out injured or just out of form or teams on the cusp of relegation /promotion want a lift.
Which camp are you in....?
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Think we were always going to tbh. He wants to move back up north. If he really wanted to sign for us im sure a deal wouldve been struck by nowThe Red Robin said:Sounds like we're going to miss out on Maddison then.6 -
Redvalleyeast said:
Have we signed him then?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
Not confirmed, but pretty confident it's happening.mart77 said:
Is that confirmed?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.Covered End said:
Source ?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
According to some, my made up source
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I believe.Addickted said:Redvalleyeast said:
Have we signed him then?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
Not confirmed, but pretty confident it's happening.mart77 said:
Is that confirmed?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.Covered End said:
Source ?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
According to some, my made up source0 -
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I actually think he will be a useful signing. Would still like Maddison or the Watford CM as well though. Different roles.Redrobo said:
I believe.Addickted said:Redvalleyeast said:
Have we signed him then?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
Not confirmed, but pretty confident it's happening.mart77 said:
Is that confirmed?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.Covered End said:
Source ?Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
According to some, my made up source0 -
Confident if Bow has chosen a CM he will be able to get the most out of him.3
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It’s not that simple. He wants to go up North but it’s not just him to consider...he has a young familyRedvalleyeast said:
Think we were always going to tbh. He wants to move back up north. If he really wanted to sign for us im sure a deal wouldve been struck by nowThe Red Robin said:Sounds like we're going to miss out on Maddison then.0 -
Docherty not in Rangers squad tonight1
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But its OK to regurgitate any old nonsense that we got relegated in 2014, because we sold Yann , because we didn't.Airman Brown said:
You can always pick out odd games or short sequences of matches, but we never got anywhere near replacing Kermorgant in the side until 2018 and that was one of the reasons we went down in 2016 and stayed down for three years. My comment has nothing to do with ESI, it's about the endless ability of football fans in general to swallow and regurgitate any old nonsense in these situations. If we sell Taylor, we will be more likely to go down, as we were in 2014 after we sold Kermorgant.Cafc43v3r said:
We shouldn't have sold Yann, when we did, I don't think anyone would argue with that.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
We didn't get relegated 2 years later because Yann wasn't there.
Yes Taylor is good, yes we are better with him (at present) than with out him but we aren't a one man team. He isn't "that good" we recovered from the loss of Mendonca, Hunt, BWP, even Yann, even Parker. The fact things went the shape of a pear years later isn't as simple as that. With 2020 vision we should have sold Mendonca, Hunt, and BWP after promotion. As an example.3 -
While selling Yann was a mistake, to be fair it was more the lousy signings in the summer of 2015 which relegated us at the end of that season. AND having the worst manager in our history in charge for several months!Airman Brown said:
You can always pick out odd games or short sequences of matches, but we never got anywhere near replacing Kermorgant in the side until 2018 and that was one of the reasons we went down in 2016 and stayed down for three years. My comment has nothing to do with ESI, it's about the endless ability of football fans in general to swallow and regurgitate any old nonsense in these situations. If we sell Taylor, we will be more likely to go down, as we were in 2014 after we sold Kermorgant.Cafc43v3r said:
We shouldn't have sold Yann, when we did, I don't think anyone would argue with that.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
I'm still suspicious of Bournemouth around that period too, flouting FFP rules (which helped them give Yann a much better deal than us) to get promoted
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I just don't understand why this comment has got so many likes.Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience for example, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
How do you know Bowyer and Gallen didn't go 'all out for Maddison' and deemed his wage demands not worth it?32 -
Or more simply, how do we know we haven't gone all out for Maddison?FishCostaFortune said:
I just don't understand why this comment has got so many likes.Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
He might be happy to wait until Friday to decide, regardless of what we offer.2 -
I said we were more likely to go down, and we were. I said it damaged us for years, and it did.Cafc43v3r said:
But its OK to regurgitate any old nonsense that we got relegated in 2014, because we sold Yann , because we didn't.Airman Brown said:
You can always pick out odd games or short sequences of matches, but we never got anywhere near replacing Kermorgant in the side until 2018 and that was one of the reasons we went down in 2016 and stayed down for three years. My comment has nothing to do with ESI, it's about the endless ability of football fans in general to swallow and regurgitate any old nonsense in these situations. If we sell Taylor, we will be more likely to go down, as we were in 2014 after we sold Kermorgant.Cafc43v3r said:
We shouldn't have sold Yann, when we did, I don't think anyone would argue with that.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
We didn't get relegated 2 years later because Yann wasn't there.
Yes Taylor is good, yes we are better with him (at present) than with out him but we aren't a one man team. He isn't "that good" we recovered from the loss of Mendonca, Hunt, BWP, even Yann, even Parker. The fact things went the shape of a pear years later isn't as simple as that. With 2020 vision we should have sold Mendonca, Hunt, and BWP after promotion. As an example.
We won't necessarily go down if we sell Taylor, but we won't fill the hole he will leave between now and May.14 -
Because Cawley revealed our bid for Toney was as a replacement for Lyle....SoundAsa£ said:
How do you know that?CAFCDB said:
Either way Roland had no intention of playing Taylor and Toney alongside each otherSoundAsa£ said:
It was Bowyer who said that not RD.CAFCDB said:
Cawley has already said our Toney bid was as a replacement for Taylor so it was massive BS from Rolandgolfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.0 -
We’ll probably end up with Gary Doherty instead of Greg.5
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Maddison would probably prefer Hull given he’s from that way... well, he was born in Durham but you get the point.1
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LB said he was to play alongside Taylor, depends whether you believe Cawley or LBCAFCDB said:
Because Cawley revealed our bid for Toney was as a replacement for Lyle....SoundAsa£ said:
How do you know that?CAFCDB said:
Either way Roland had no intention of playing Taylor and Toney alongside each otherSoundAsa£ said:
It was Bowyer who said that not RD.CAFCDB said:
Cawley has already said our Toney bid was as a replacement for Taylor so it was massive BS from Rolandgolfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.3 -
The only game we've won since the 19th October was the only game Taylor played from start to finish, which was Bristol C on Boxing Day.Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:
You can always pick out odd games or short sequences of matches, but we never got anywhere near replacing Kermorgant in the side until 2018 and that was one of the reasons we went down in 2016 and stayed down for three years. My comment has nothing to do with ESI, it's about the endless ability of football fans in general to swallow and regurgitate any old nonsense in these situations. If we sell Taylor, we will be more likely to go down, as we were in 2014 after we sold Kermorgant.Cafc43v3r said:
We shouldn't have sold Yann, when we did, I don't think anyone would argue with that.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
Yes Taylor is good, yes we are better with him (at present) than with out him but we aren't a one man team.5 -
Ha ha, indeed. I added that to the end of my rant.Scoham said:
Or more simply, how do we know we haven't gone all out for Maddison?FishCostaFortune said:
I just don't understand why this comment has got so many likes.Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
He might be happy to wait until Friday to decide, regardless of what we offer.
I understand this is a forum for debate, and fans are frustrated because they are worried we might get relegated and want to express those views. But it irks me how fans seem to simplify football transfers without thinking about them in a wider context.
Once again if you've not seen it, watch that Chris Wilder documentary footage and it will least give you some idea of what goes on. It's just not a simple case of waving your magic money wand and getting the players in.4 -
I think we did go all out for him but its so far not been enough, whether that's money wise or out current state as a team/club who knows.FishCostaFortune said:
I just don't understand why this comment has got so many likes.Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience for example, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
How do you know Bowyer and Gallen didn't go 'all out for Maddison' and deemed his wage demands not worth it?1
