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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)
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Nahki Wells going to Bristol City0
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Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.0 -
JoshAddick said:The value of staying in the Championship is far greater than the price we will get for Lyle2
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Jamie19 said:5
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cafcfan1990 said:bolloxbolder said:Whatever happened to the money Roland promised us for Djiksteel?
The more I think about the last couple of windows under Roland, the more I realise that LB / Gallen were equipped to do some good stuff. We had an excellent last couple of windows under RDs tenure. Really strong.
ESI need to surpass Roland at the absolute minimum. They cant be immune to criticism - if Roland was overseeing this month up to now there would be uproar.0 -
Airman Brown said:Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Jamie19 said:wmcf123 said:Jamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
It would be madness at this time and predicament we find ourselves in.
They have openly stated they want to make the fans happy. Selling Taylor would be a real double negative on that front.
How many fans will openly be pleased with a sale regardless of how much it was for?
These are the kinds of things they need to be thinking about.
It's entirely in their hands.
I know it's been said before, but the next 48hrs will be a huge indication of what ESI are actually all about.5 -
Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.0 -
Sounds like we're going to miss out on Maddison then.0
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golfaddick said:Rossman92 said:
No....? Because teams like us need to strengthen. Replace players who are out injured or just out of form or teams on the cusp of relegation /promotion want a lift.
Which camp are you in....?
I know we are miles away from that1 -
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The Red Robin said:Sounds like we're going to miss out on Maddison then.6
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Redvalleyeast said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.mart77 said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.Covered End said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
According to some, my made up source
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Addickted said:Redvalleyeast said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.mart77 said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.Covered End said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
According to some, my made up source0 -
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Redrobo said:Addickted said:Redvalleyeast said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.mart77 said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.Covered End said:Addickted said:Sounds like our midfield problems have been resolved by the loan signing of Ranger's Greg Docherty.
More a wigwam than a marquee.
According to some, my made up source0 -
Confident if Bow has chosen a CM he will be able to get the most out of him.3
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Redvalleyeast said:The Red Robin said:Sounds like we're going to miss out on Maddison then.0
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Docherty not in Rangers squad tonight1
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Airman Brown said:Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Jamie19 said:wmcf123 said:Jamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
We didn't get relegated 2 years later because Yann wasn't there.
Yes Taylor is good, yes we are better with him (at present) than with out him but we aren't a one man team. He isn't "that good" we recovered from the loss of Mendonca, Hunt, BWP, even Yann, even Parker. The fact things went the shape of a pear years later isn't as simple as that. With 2020 vision we should have sold Mendonca, Hunt, and BWP after promotion. As an example.3 -
Airman Brown said:Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Jamie19 said:wmcf123 said:Jamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
I'm still suspicious of Bournemouth around that period too, flouting FFP rules (which helped them give Yann a much better deal than us) to get promoted
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Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience for example, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
How do you know Bowyer and Gallen didn't go 'all out for Maddison' and deemed his wage demands not worth it?32 -
FishCostaFortune said:Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
He might be happy to wait until Friday to decide, regardless of what we offer.2 -
Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Jamie19 said:wmcf123 said:Jamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
We didn't get relegated 2 years later because Yann wasn't there.
Yes Taylor is good, yes we are better with him (at present) than with out him but we aren't a one man team. He isn't "that good" we recovered from the loss of Mendonca, Hunt, BWP, even Yann, even Parker. The fact things went the shape of a pear years later isn't as simple as that. With 2020 vision we should have sold Mendonca, Hunt, and BWP after promotion. As an example.
We won't necessarily go down if we sell Taylor, but we won't fill the hole he will leave between now and May.14 -
SoundAsa£ said:CAFCDB said:SoundAsa£ said:CAFCDB said:golfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.0 -
We’ll probably end up with Gary Doherty instead of Greg.5
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Maddison would probably prefer Hull given he’s from that way... well, he was born in Durham but you get the point.1
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CAFCDB said:SoundAsa£ said:CAFCDB said:SoundAsa£ said:CAFCDB said:golfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.3 -
Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Cafc43v3r said:Airman Brown said:Jamie19 said:wmcf123 said:Jamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
We should never have signed Polish Pete or Reza, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
But people seem to forget we stayed up that season. The later half of the next season we played some of the most exciting attacking football I have ever seen at the Valley. We didn't get relegated because we sold Yann, or signed Polish.
I can't imagine many people left the Hull game, 18 months after we sold Yann, moaning about it. Selling Yann was a symptom, not the cause of our problems. Yann wasn't sold with the best intentions of the club, the team or the fans at the forefront.
Like Walsh, Hales, Flanagan, Bent, Grant, Gorman, Polish Pete, Reza, and countless others, Taylor will leave one day. Maybe it will be a stick to beat MS with, maybe it will be a stick that is never used, maybe he will be forgotten 6 months later.
Charlton fans, generally, seem to get overly attached to certain players, and defend them with all their heart. That's an good thing, some times it's missed placed. Mr Morrison is the best example, of recent years.
I did a points per game, and average league position of a Charlton legends last 100 games for the club, it makes grim reading for those that wouldn't criticise him, but I think it's meaning full. If you want it for VotV just PM
Yes Taylor is good, yes we are better with him (at present) than with out him but we aren't a one man team.5 -
Scoham said:FishCostaFortune said:Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
He might be happy to wait until Friday to decide, regardless of what we offer.
I understand this is a forum for debate, and fans are frustrated because they are worried we might get relegated and want to express those views. But it irks me how fans seem to simplify football transfers without thinking about them in a wider context.
Once again if you've not seen it, watch that Chris Wilder documentary footage and it will least give you some idea of what goes on. It's just not a simple case of waving your magic money wand and getting the players in.4 -
FishCostaFortune said:Greenie Junior said:Really don’t get why we’re not going all out for Maddison at this point. He’s exactly what we need
What does 'go all out for Maddison' even mean. Because our owner has lots of money should we just give him what he asks for?
What if 'going all out for Maddison' means making him the highest paid player at the club. Is he worth that investment? Remember this is a player who has never played above League One Level and has been rumoured to have an attitude issue.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does that affect other players we want to bring in this window. Will their agents demand more money now as they believe there player, who has championship experience for example, should be close to wages to Maddison.
If 'we go all out for Maddison' how does him coming into the squad on high wages effect the current squad. Will they want better contracts? Or will team moral be affected as someone has come in with less experience then them but is earning more money.
How do you know Bowyer and Gallen didn't go 'all out for Maddison' and deemed his wage demands not worth it?1