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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)
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How would you describe Taylor 18 months ago?Southbank said:Clarke-Harris is a 3rd tier journeyman, not as good as Taylor but plays the same role. Why buy him now unless Taylor deal is already done? What we are missing in attack is a pacy goal scorer and a Gallagher style attacking midfielder. Clarke-Harris is neither of those so he would be superfluous if he comes and Taylor stays.11 -
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?13 -
You answered the question yourself Dick._MrDick said:What I don’t get is why we leave it until late in the day to make this bid. We’ve had since 1 January to get this going. It ain’t leaving Gas much time to get a replacement and they’re more than likely going to turn this down I reckon
“What I don’t get is why”........exactly, you don’t know why and nor does anyone apart from those few main individuals involved, for all you know it could be a shrewdly timed bid.
Why do you automatically consider it’s a mistake? Have you considered that a deal or two for other targets could have fallen through and that’s why we are now in the frame.
It could be for countless reasons that we are only bidding now......it could even be that we have been negotiating for a good while longer and have only just made it known........who knows?
There’s several games of poker going on with Championship clubs at this very moment, in which we are no doubt heavily involved.1 -
Similarly at that stage, but not now. CH may turn out fine, but replacing Taylor while in the predicament we are in is very, very risky.Cafc743v3r said:
How would you describe Taylor 18 months ago?Southbank said:Clarke-Harris is a 3rd tier journeyman, not as good as Taylor but plays the same role. Why buy him now unless Taylor deal is already done? What we are missing in attack is a pacy goal scorer and a Gallagher style attacking midfielder. Clarke-Harris is neither of those so he would be superfluous if he comes and Taylor stays.0 -
If you signed 10 forwards from league 1 who’d rattled a few in that league, 0/10 maybe 2/10 tops, would turn out as much a revelation as Lyle.Cafc43v3r said:
How would you describe Taylor 18 months ago?Southbank said:Clarke-Harris is a 3rd tier journeyman, not as good as Taylor but plays the same role. Why buy him now unless Taylor deal is already done? What we are missing in attack is a pacy goal scorer and a Gallagher style attacking midfielder. Clarke-Harris is neither of those so he would be superfluous if he comes and Taylor stays.So people have every right to be cautious, personally I happen to rate JCH, but cannot blame anyone who thinks otherwise especially when our relegation rivals are signing proven championship forwards (Rhodes/Hogan), and we ain’t.0 -
No good if that offer comes in at the last minute and we cant replace him.Callumcafc said:
Too bad... how about £15m to seal it now? We really do fancy him but we might move on to Ivan Toney or wait to pick him up for free in the summer.carly burn said:
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Hi Mr. Burn, we are interesting in signing Lyle before the end of the window. Will you accept our £10 million offer?carly burn said:Think ESI will have to abort their 'listening to silly offers' regarding Lyle.
It's very simple. Just don't sell him.
At ANY cost.
And at a guess whoever we were looking at his price would shoot up0 -
Totally unproven players compared to 3 players that have over 25 goals between them this season, bit different. Taylor’s going to leave at the end of the season anyway I’d personally take the money and invest more than what we are already planning to do so but that’s just my opinion, as it helps this season and builds for next.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?1 -
Taylor at the same age was bang average and didn’t score many at all apart from in the conference or lower league Scottish football.Southbank said:
Similarly at that stage, but not now. CH may turn out fine, but replacing Taylor while in the predicament we are in is very, very risky.Cafc743v3r said:
How would you describe Taylor 18 months ago?Southbank said:Clarke-Harris is a 3rd tier journeyman, not as good as Taylor but plays the same role. Why buy him now unless Taylor deal is already done? What we are missing in attack is a pacy goal scorer and a Gallagher style attacking midfielder. Clarke-Harris is neither of those so he would be superfluous if he comes and Taylor stays.1 -
If ESI hadn't got the dosh we must be the only club ever get brought by "Middle East money" that ain't got any ----- but it's very very Charlton3
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The value of staying in the Championship is far greater than the price we will get for Lyle20
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On the basis that I was prepared to give the polish kid a chance when we sold kermogant, I’m staying out of the Taylor/ch debate0
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I'd rather keep him and have a better chance of staying up. Not pay silly money for someone that has to hit the ground running and also be as big a part of the team as Taylor is.. hes like 2 extra players in the 11 and that's a big ask from a new guy. Buzz wise Taylor would be a huge loss for the fans too.Jamie19 said:
Totally unproven players compared to 3 players that have over 25 goals between them this season, bit different. Taylor’s going to leave at the end of the season anyway I’d personally take the money and invest more than what we are already planning to do so but that’s just my opinion, as it helps this season and builds for next.Airman Brown said:
But it was OK when Kermorgant left because we signed Reza and Polish Pete. You can read the comments saying exactly that on here.Jamie19 said:
But we never invested or replaced those players.wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?7 -
So your opinion is based on the fact that you haven't seen any of them play ?wmcf123 said:
No no no. Never seen any of them play and none of them have a proven championship record . Selling our best player in January has never worked well - Parker, Reid, KermorgantJamie19 said:Hypothetical but would people take Clarke-Harris, Maddison and Gnanduillet if it meant Taylor leaves ?
Driesen ?1 -
I assume we have all come to accept we have a £shop Sheik and not a real one?0
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So most of the players we've been linked with this window have been strikers, and our main priority is said to be a CM, I think that just goes to show most of those ITK/Twitter journo types are full of horseshit3
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New Striker incoming...17
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But not bang average now. February is the key month, which starts on Saturday. We can invest in longer term prospects once we have earned our Championship survival. Selling Taylor now makes no sense at all.Jamie19 said:
Taylor at the same age was bang average and didn’t score many at all apart from in the conference or lower league Scottish football.Southbank said:
Similarly at that stage, but not now. CH may turn out fine, but replacing Taylor while in the predicament we are in is very, very risky.Cafc743v3r said:
How would you describe Taylor 18 months ago?Southbank said:Clarke-Harris is a 3rd tier journeyman, not as good as Taylor but plays the same role. Why buy him now unless Taylor deal is already done? What we are missing in attack is a pacy goal scorer and a Gallagher style attacking midfielder. Clarke-Harris is neither of those so he would be superfluous if he comes and Taylor stays.0 -
I’m glad our priority is a CM6
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signed for Dresden in Bundesliga 2ForeverAddickted said:New Striker incoming...0 -
Damn... Another one we couldnt agree terms withCallumcafc said:
signed for Dresden in Bundesliga 2ForeverAddickted said:New Striker incoming...
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Which is why I'm surprised we've not got Maddison over the line.ValleyGary said:I’m glad our priority is a CM
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_MrDick said:What I don’t get is why we leave it until late in the day to make this bid. We’ve had since 1 January to get this going. It ain’t leaving Gas much time to get a replacement and they’re more than likely going to turn this down I reckonCafc_lifer said:
Yeah and that is a fair point which is entirely at MS door for over promising and under delivering. Also with all the stuff he said about a marquee he's shot himself in the foot. He should have come in and set modest expectations for the rest of this season.killerandflash said:
Not unreasonable though to have higher expectations now, going from a hated owner with no interest in the club and wanting to sell, to ambitious new owners who deliberately bought the club (excluding the stadium and training ground) BECAUSE of the importance of the January window.Cafc_lifer said:
The 4m bid was in the summer when the market is completely different. If you're going to compare ESI to RD then at the moment you can only compare the January window. Last January we sold one of our best strikers and replaced him with Parker... This Jan we're willing to make nothing on Taylor and keep him until the end of his contract.CharltonByBlood said:Not wetting the bed just yet. However, I find it fascinating that under RD we were bidding 4M for players in the league below but with this lot, 1 bid which I think was laughed at for the Bristol Rovers striker, other than that we have only heard about a couple of loans - One of which a player that can not get into a team in the SPL...We need bodies, let's not mess about. ESI need time I agree, but they could either get off to a rockey start, or great start and no signings in my opinion welcomes the rockey start.
Also what's the difference between having a 4m bid rejected under RD to having undisclosed bids rejected under ESI? End of the day the result is the same.
We have made bids for players this window but it's a sellers and players market, we can't make people sell or players join.
And to be fair, last season we kept Bauer (in the same contract situation as Taylor) so it's not as if we always flogged players with contracts running down under Roland.
I think for this window we need to lower our expectations or risk being disappoin0 -
Going to throw in a real curve ball here.......do we know if Lyle would pass a fitness test?JoshAddick said:The value of staying in the Championship is far greater than the price we will get for Lyle
That was a pretty nasty injury and layoff he had, including a worrying set back shortly before he was due back.
Complete left field comment on my part I know......but may quite understandably be of considerable concern to prospective buyers.0 -
Gone to Dynamo Dresden, 2. Bundesliga really isn't too much different in terms of skill for Eredivisie in my opinion. Can't imagine he'll just walk in there and score 20 goalsForeverAddickted said:New Striker incoming...1 -
It would be quite a feat actually even for a groundbreaking club like Charlton.
Taken over by Middle Eastern money and relegated...
I prefer to rely on my faith in Bowyer and the lads.2 -
We simply aren’t in a position to buy or loan hopefuls, we have to get in proven players at this moment in time and like it or not that costs serious money.0
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My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.1 -
Maybe just me but I’d prefer Troy Parrott to Gnanduillet or JCHgolfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.1 -
RD didn’t say it, Lee Bowyer said it re Toneygolfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.
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Cawley has already said our Toney bid was as a replacement for Taylor so it was massive BS from Rolandgolfaddick said:My view on the JCH bid is that he is a replacement for Lyle. Brentford have probably come back in for him, esp after losing last night & that's why we have put in a (late) bid for him.
I know RD supposedly said our bid for Toney last August was not a replacement for Taylor, but I dont buy that bullshit.....esp when it was with RD in charge.
At least we are looking at buying decent in form & experienced strikers (Toney, Gnadduillet & JCH) rather than very young loanees from Spurs, Watford or Norwich.1
