On a player by player basis I thought Kanu, Small and to a lesser extent Watson struggled.
Dodgy penalty aside I thought Campbell and Berry were by far our most threatening players, I also liked Anderson today despite what others say. Coventry had a good game and the back three plus Mannion were solid.
Think that’s harsh on Kanu, he worked hard and won both yellow cards on the centre back with good runs/hassling.
Coventry was our best player in my opinion, REG and Small the worst
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
Another keeper isn't going to transform this team, but a dynamic and creative midfielder, capable of making surging runs, may well do. That should be where Jones's priorities should lie
Not going to lose the plot too much after that - we are always atrocious in the cups and I’d much rather have our first two results of the season than Birmingham’s.
That being said the concerns around where goals will come from that were clearly expressed before the start of the season are becoming more apparent.
Let’s be honest some of that was awful. Ironically you’d have fancied their number 9 to convert the spot kick. First choice eleven or not you’d expect better especially as most are allegedly trying to impress. Brum were bang average too. I’ve every faith in Jones but watching the nearest player repeatedly have no interest in pressing the ball was “disappointing “ . I really hope we see a marked improvement on Saturday.
Flat performance, missing the penalty (why on earth did TC take it, could see he wasn't ever going to score that) and a good strike from them but we was slow to get out, not massive difference between the almighty league one god squad superteam that is Birmingham
Can't see what Karoy brings other than running currently, hopefully we can see Berry, Doc and Coventry on saturday and going forward
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
We don't overrate the teams we play against. Birmingham were a Championship team last season and look to have a much better squad now than they did then. They've spent about £12m this summer. Realistically they probably will be the best team in the league, it's not overrating them to acknowledge that, I think it makes a lot less sense to write them off based on one game against Reading like you have
I’m gonna give the benefit of the doubt tonight and wait to see what happens Saturday.
From a positive perspective I do like the high press as for some reason teams at this level think they can play out like Man City from the back, but with League One centre backs. We will get chances from that.
From a negative one, if we don’t score first in games I’m worried that we will struggle to get back into games with the creativity at our disposal at the moment. We do have Godden to come back, Berry to get up to speed and hopefully a decent loan or perm to come in, in that mould.
My other concern is having to watch 60 yard diagonal passes for the next 45 games. It’s fine every now and then but I’m praying it’s not our plan A, B and C.
same old system different manager. wing backs cant cross. no winger. A number 10 who barely gets the ball. No threat up front and we often just end up hoofing it up to them anyway... not helped by shipping out the leagues top scorer. midfield is weaker. I don't know what others are seeing to think we are play off material. must be that mighty win against Dartford maybe.
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
We don't overrate the teams we play against. Birmingham were a Championship team last season and look to have a much better squad now than they did then. They've spent about £12m this summer. Realistically they probably will be the best team in the league, it's not overrating them to acknowledge that, I think it makes a lot less sense to write them off based on one game against Reading like you have
They may have, on paper, the best squad in the league.
But so far this season they've started slow and have struggled in both games in parts. I wouldn't say today they looked like the best team in League One. I'm not writing them off and they may end up winning the league, but they don't look like the best team in the league right now.
They may improve but I'm sure their fans aren't too happy about their performances currently either.
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
We don't overrate the teams we play against. Birmingham were a Championship team last season and look to have a much better squad now than they did then. They've spent about £12m this summer. Realistically they probably will be the best team in the league, it's not overrating them to acknowledge that, I think it makes a lot less sense to write them off based on one game against Reading like you have
They may have, on paper, the best squad in the league.
But so far this season they've started slow and have struggled in both games in parts. I wouldn't say today they looked like the best team in League One. I'm not writing them off and they may end up winning the league, but they don't look like the best team in the league right now.
They may improve but I'm sure their fans aren't too happy about their performances currently either.
One league game and one heavily rotated cup game and they've started slow. Brilliant. I think if we're assessing a team as not looking good based on one league game then we might have dipped into too silly even for here.
The way they play football and with the midfield they have, anyone who finishes above them will be promoted imo. The CB who got sent off was great.. but also stupid. Robert’s ran the show, although I wouldn’t be happy paying what they did for Hansson on that showing.
Luke Berry had 3 chances which I’m disappointed he didn’t hit the target on any. Campbell penalty.. let’s not talk about.
Let’s focus on the league and get behind the boys. Would we have taken 1-0 at Wigan and lose by 1 today, yes!
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
We don't overrate the teams we play against. Birmingham were a Championship team last season and look to have a much better squad now than they did then. They've spent about £12m this summer. Realistically they probably will be the best team in the league, it's not overrating them to acknowledge that, I think it makes a lot less sense to write them off based on one game against Reading like you have
They may have, on paper, the best squad in the league.
But so far this season they've started slow and have struggled in both games in parts. I wouldn't say today they looked like the best team in League One. I'm not writing them off and they may end up winning the league, but they don't look like the best team in the league right now.
They may improve but I'm sure their fans aren't too happy about their performances currently either.
One league game and one heavily rotated cup game and they've started slow. Brilliant. I think if we're assessing a team as not looking good based on one league game then we might have dipped into too silly even for here.
The original assessment was that they were the best team in the league, which after one game is silly to do. So thanks for proving my point.
There was not too much in the game, although Birmingham played the better football and I don’t think we can have any complaints about the result.
There was too much long ball from Charlton and a lack of passing and combination play in midfield, although Coventry did pretty well and the introduction of Docherty for Berry slightly improved matters.
We are not going to win enough matches by pressing high and forcing teams into mistakes. Some creativity is required, in terms of forward passing into feet. We could also use a ball-carrier in midfield who can go past people and take them out of the game. At present we don’t have that in the squad. I appreciate that we were playing the favourites for the division but how fruitful are our present tactics going to be against teams who come to The Valley, sit deep and get practically everyone behind the ball ? They are usually adept in dealing with the long, high ball.
The penalty miss was a shame and it will hardly help Tyreece’s confidence. I can understand that it would have been great for him to get off the mark in his new role but there should be a designated penalty taker before the team take the field to avoid just this sort of situation.
Jones was excellent in defence and I thought that Zach Mitchell did well when he came on. REG and Gillespie give me little confidence, whilst Small had a stinker.
Coventry had a good game in and out of possession, although Berry looked a yard off the pace and I hope he can get up to speed sharpish. Up front, Kanu barely had a touch and he and Campbell had little in the way of service.
A disappointing night but hardly the end of the world. There are, however, some obvious shortcomings in this squad and we just have to hope that we can move a couple of players out and get some quality in before the end of the month, failing which we are unlikely to be serious contenders.
I don’t overrate teams - I look at the comparison in terms of player quality, strength in depth, recent experiences, revenue etc.
There’s no doubt that in all of those four areas, Birmingham are stronger. I thought at points tonight they moved the ball very well with some neat passing and movement.
However, they struggled to dominate us how they would have liked and we can take credit for that.
I think we’ll get more creative as the season goes on, but only once Jones is satisfied the defensive side of our game is where he wants it to be.
A lot of posters on here pre season said they’d settle for ugly wins over pretty defeats and don’t care how we play as long as we win. I’m hoping that we can win pretty once we have a solid base to build on.
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
We don't overrate the teams we play against. Birmingham were a Championship team last season and look to have a much better squad now than they did then. They've spent about £12m this summer. Realistically they probably will be the best team in the league, it's not overrating them to acknowledge that, I think it makes a lot less sense to write them off based on one game against Reading like you have
They may have, on paper, the best squad in the league.
But so far this season they've started slow and have struggled in both games in parts. I wouldn't say today they looked like the best team in League One. I'm not writing them off and they may end up winning the league, but they don't look like the best team in the league right now.
They may improve but I'm sure their fans aren't too happy about their performances currently either.
One league game and one heavily rotated cup game and they've started slow. Brilliant. I think if we're assessing a team as not looking good based on one league game then we might have dipped into too silly even for here.
The original assessment was that they were the best team in the league, which after one game is silly to do. So thanks for proving my point.
I think you're confused. Them probably being the best team in the league is based on their transfer spend and the quality of the players at their disposal. You are the one who introduced basing any assessment of their quality on one game, which you've just stated yourself is silly. You've punched yourself in the dick here.
What I’m taking from it is that we went toe to toe with the best team in the league who have spent millions pre season and have a squad of players who, man for man, are better than us. Yes, they rotated their team from Saturday as did we.
They had two shots on target. At times they beat our press, at times they didn’t. We looked decent going forward at times (Berry had three chances in the first half) plus the pen.
This expectation from some that we will beat every team we face is quite bizarre. Or that tonight’s match is how we should judge the rest of the season.
Yes, we were poor in the final third and we should feel frustrated by that. Some players played well, some less so. That’s football. But if I was a Birmingham fan I wouldn’t come away from that game thinking we will stroll the league. In fact I’d be concerned that we were unable to break down a back five that contained only two first choice defenders.
Let’s keep perspective and make some longer term judgements in ten games or so.
The best team in the league?
They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
We don't overrate the teams we play against. Birmingham were a Championship team last season and look to have a much better squad now than they did then. They've spent about £12m this summer. Realistically they probably will be the best team in the league, it's not overrating them to acknowledge that, I think it makes a lot less sense to write them off based on one game against Reading like you have
They may have, on paper, the best squad in the league.
But so far this season they've started slow and have struggled in both games in parts. I wouldn't say today they looked like the best team in League One. I'm not writing them off and they may end up winning the league, but they don't look like the best team in the league right now.
They may improve but I'm sure their fans aren't too happy about their performances currently either.
One league game and one heavily rotated cup game and they've started slow. Brilliant. I think if we're assessing a team as not looking good based on one league game then we might have dipped into too silly even for here.
The original assessment was that they were the best team in the league, which after one game is silly to do. So thanks for proving my point.
I think you're confused. Them probably being the best team in the league is based on their transfer spend and the quality of the players at their disposal. You are the one who introduced basing any assessment of their quality on one game, which you've just stated yourself is silly. You've punched yourself in the dick here.
I remember 2/3 years ago everyone used to joke about Ipswich already being promoted and how stupid it was based on exactly the same information. But now it suits opinions change I guess.
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They drew with Reading that can barely put a team together. Why do we always have to overrate the teams we play against.
We played fine just have some issues with chance creation, there's no need to pretend it was some david v goliath battle just because we lost.
That should be where Jones's priorities should lie
on another note the bar service in the NL tonight was a piss take. Two tills open 🤣
If it's saved then it's not missed.
Can't see what Karoy brings other than running currently, hopefully we can see Berry, Doc and Coventry on saturday and going forward
From a positive perspective I do like the high press as for some reason teams at this level think they can play out like Man City from the back, but with League One centre backs. We will get chances from that.
From a negative one, if we don’t score first in games I’m worried that we will struggle to get back into games with the creativity at our disposal at the moment. We do have Godden to come back, Berry to get up to speed and hopefully a decent loan or perm to come in, in that mould.
My other concern is having to watch 60 yard diagonal passes for the next 45 games. It’s fine every now and then but I’m praying it’s not our plan A, B and C.
I don't know what others are seeing to think we are play off material. must be that mighty win against Dartford maybe.
But so far this season they've started slow and have struggled in both games in parts. I wouldn't say today they looked like the best team in League One. I'm not writing them off and they may end up winning the league, but they don't look like the best team in the league right now.
They may improve but I'm sure their fans aren't too happy about their performances currently either.
Luke Berry had 3 chances which I’m disappointed he didn’t hit the target on any. Campbell penalty.. let’s not talk about.
See you all on Saturday.
There was not too much in the game, although Birmingham played the better football and I don’t think we can have any complaints about the result.
There was too much long ball from Charlton and a lack of passing and combination play in midfield, although Coventry did pretty well and the introduction of Docherty for Berry slightly improved matters.
We are not going to win enough matches by pressing high and forcing teams into mistakes. Some creativity is required, in terms of forward passing into feet. We could also use a ball-carrier in midfield who can go past people and take them out of the game. At present we don’t have that in the squad. I appreciate that we were playing the favourites for the division but how fruitful are our present tactics going to be against teams who come to The Valley, sit deep and get practically everyone behind the ball ? They are usually adept in dealing with the long, high ball.
The penalty miss was a shame and it will hardly help Tyreece’s confidence. I can understand that it would have been great for him to get off the mark in his new role but there should be a designated penalty taker before the team take the field to avoid just this sort of situation.
Jones was excellent in defence and I thought that Zach Mitchell did well when he came on. REG and Gillespie give me little confidence, whilst Small had a stinker.
Coventry had a good game in and out of possession, although Berry looked a yard off the pace and I hope he can get up to speed sharpish. Up front, Kanu barely had a touch and he and Campbell had little in the way of service.
A disappointing night but hardly the end of the world. There are, however, some obvious shortcomings in this squad and we just have to hope that we can move a couple of players out and get some quality in before the end of the month, failing which we are unlikely to be serious contenders.
There’s no doubt that in all of those four areas, Birmingham are stronger. I thought at points tonight they moved the ball very well with some neat passing and movement.
However, they struggled to dominate us how they would have liked and we can take credit for that.
A lot of posters on here pre season said they’d settle for ugly wins over pretty defeats and don’t care how we play as long as we win. I’m hoping that we can win pretty once we have a solid base to build on.