I’m not sure I fully understand Nathan’s stance regarding loan deals. He has stated that loan deals only benefit the parent club in improving the players ability. Whilst this may hold an element of truth surely a season long loan deal could benefit both parties? Of course we have loaned plenty of duds over the years but we undoubtedly gained some quality ones too. A certain player of the year in Jed Rak-Sakai comes to mind!
That why he said he would only loan players if they were better then we had in that position or better then we could buy permanently… Rak-Sakai did not impress first few months in fact Charlton fans weee saying send him back leading up to the January window but he had an excellent last 2/3 months which is what people remember ..
Before we signed him I was excited at this raw but talented individual. what I’m hearing from the training ground is making me even more excited.
Pace like Campbell, stamina of a flying wingback, skills and tricks like nobody else we have.
He’s very raw but there is a lot of excitement about him. Really has an x -factor about him.
five him a bit of time to adjust. Don’t put too much pressure on him and hopefully we won’t coach it all out of him. And then he’ll wreak havoc!
This sounds very exciting. Obviously I expect him to play U21s and Bristol Street Trophy at first just to get him acclimated but someone that's got TCs pace but with a bit more of a trick to his game is an very exciting option to potentially have.
Michael Cooper has just joined Sheffield Utd, meaning that Adam Davies is back to the bench which is nice, but also that Plymouth now only have one keeper on the books and will be in for one themselves. It's a weird keeper market this summer. There were some rolled eyes when we signed Mannion as a potential backup when we already had two keepers but I'm very glad we did or we would have had to start this season with AMB or Isted in goal again.
Michael Cooper has just joined Sheffield Utd, meaning that Adam Davies is back to the bench which is nice, but also that Plymouth now only have one keeper on the books and will be in for one themselves. It's a weird keeper market this summer. There were some rolled eyes when we signed Mannion as a potential backup when we already had two keepers but I'm very glad we did or we would have had to start this season with AMB or Isted in goal again.
Not being able to sign seal and deliver on a "senior" 1st choice keeper is probably the biggest stick you could beat the club with in this window and fairly so to a certain extent... but you do have to say that it's been a bit of a tricky time for everyone where keeper are involved.
Chelsea have about 8 and everyone below that is in some weird 4D poker game trying to sign just one (I know they are not directly linked just showing the general weirdness.)
Dixon securing a work permit and permissions seems to be the big problem with that transfer. I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be. Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort. As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through. It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Dixon securing a work permit and permissions seems to be the big problem with that transfer. I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be. Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort. As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through. It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Wouldn’t say there are any problems just that these things take time and that will be factored in
Dixon securing a work permit and permissions seems to be the big problem with that transfer. I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be. Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort. As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through. It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Wouldn’t say there are any problems just that these things take time and that will be factored in
When you say takes time, I imagine there might be several tens of thousands in the queue ahead of Dixon waiting for an ordinary UK work permit, unless there is some kind of fast track option. Wouldn’t the authorities favour a surgeon over a footballer?
Dixon securing a work permit and permissions seems to be the big problem with that transfer. I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be. Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort. As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through. It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Wouldn’t say there are any problems just that these things take time and that will be factored in
When you say takes time, I imagine there might be several tens of thousands in the queue ahead of Dixon waiting for an ordinary UK work permit, unless there is some kind of fast track option. Wouldn’t the authorities favour a surgeon over a footballer?
You can usually pay a bit extra with visas for priority or super priority which give a decision within 5 days and 1 day respectively. Whilst expensive for the average person, I'd expect the club to use this option if possible
Feels like Taylor is one that's never quite going to work out. The injuries really haven't helped his cause and now Coventry is the undisputed starter in his position, he's not going to get games with us because I don't think he can play further forward and compete with Doc,Berry and Anderson for one of those 2 slots.
I am not surprised there's interest from Rotherham though, he came with a good reputation from Burton.
Probably best for him to move on, I do feel like we could live to regret it so would prefer a loan out.
I’d be really upset if I were behind Edun as a midfield option . That said , I don’t see a lot of glamour in our midfield so if he sits tight, he might get games .
Before we signed him I was excited at this raw but talented individual. what I’m hearing from the training ground is making me even more excited.
Pace like Campbell, stamina of a flying wingback, skills and tricks like nobody else we have.
He’s very raw but there is a lot of excitement about him. Really has an x -factor about him.
five him a bit of time to adjust. Don’t put too much pressure on him and hopefully we won’t coach it all out of him. And then he’ll wreak havoc!
That’s exactly what I was hoping to hear about him. My slight concern is that Jones doesn’t seem to like mavericks and ends up stifling the lad with duties he’s not suited for. We certainly need a factor x player because and I know it’s early days, we look devoid of anything exciting.
Michael Cooper has just joined Sheffield Utd, meaning that Adam Davies is back to the bench which is nice, but also that Plymouth now only have one keeper on the books and will be in for one themselves. It's a weird keeper market this summer. There were some rolled eyes when we signed Mannion as a potential backup when we already had two keepers but I'm very glad we did or we would have had to start this season with AMB or Isted in goal again.
The thing thats particularly disappointing about Terry Taylor is that when he arrived from Burton and you looked at his compilation video, his best attribute was dead ball deliveries from corners and free kicks. We are completely hopeless at that. I think Coventry is a decent player but he cant take a decent free kick and we never seem to score from corners either
Dixon securing a work permit and permissions seems to be the big problem with that transfer. I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be. Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort. As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through. It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Wouldn’t say there are any problems just that these things take time and that will be factored in
When you say takes time, I imagine there might be several tens of thousands in the queue ahead of Dixon waiting for an ordinary UK work permit, unless there is some kind of fast track option. Wouldn’t the authorities favour a surgeon over a footballer?
You can usually pay a bit extra with visas for priority or super priority which give a decision within 5 days and 1 day respectively. Whilst expensive for the average person, I'd expect the club to use this option if possible
Also the FA is registered as an issuing authority so not as if he has to queue up in Croydon.
Dixon securing a work permit and permissions seems to be the big problem with that transfer. I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be. Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort. As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through. It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Wouldn’t say there are any problems just that these things take time and that will be factored in
When you say takes time, I imagine there might be several tens of thousands in the queue ahead of Dixon waiting for an ordinary UK work permit, unless there is some kind of fast track option. Wouldn’t the authorities favour a surgeon over a footballer?
You can usually pay a bit extra with visas for priority or super priority which give a decision within 5 days and 1 day respectively. Whilst expensive for the average person, I'd expect the club to use this option if possible
Also the FA is registered as an issuing authority so not as if he has to queue up in Croydon.
But as ever WIOTOS
Priority is £500 and super priority is £1000, peanuts for a football club really.
Feel that Taylor hasn’t had a fair crack of the whip, so, can’t be good for his morale that he’s not been given a chance.
Having said that, Jones will have seen him in pre season games/training to have formed an impression and I/we just have to trust his judgement.
I think you are right sillav but there is also the situation of Jones wanting to add to the squad and letting players go from positions in which we are well covered to facilitate new arrivals.
Two weeks to get Dixons work permit sorted out. Anyone else thinking this ain’t going to happen in time ?
Pretty sure Chelsea have a history of signing players who weren't eligible for work permits and then loaning them out to countries where there weren't the same restrictions.
In fact didn't we do the same with a couple of young African lads a few years back?
Surely the worst case scenario is we complete the signing without the permit (assuming we are 100% confident it will get granted eventually) and he just trains with us till the paperwork is rubber stamped.
I think Jones' comment about Zach Mitchell is more telling than anything when it comes to Taylor: 'he’s aggressive, front-footed and really mobile. So these are people we want to take forward'. Taylor's known for putting in a tackle but I think he's not a blood and thunder type midfielder and I guess he hasn't been able to adapt to the front-footed press like Jones would want. When Edun came on against Birmingham he was flying into tackles and challenging for high balls so he's clearly trying to work the way he's being asked, you'd have to suspect Taylor hasn't been able to change his game in the same way and that's why Edun made the squad and Taylor didn't. I think it's a real shame as I was comfortable with having him as the understudy to Coventry and I think he'll probably go on and be good elsewhere
Two weeks to get Dixons work permit sorted out. Anyone else thinking this ain’t going to happen in time ?
Pretty sure Chelsea have a history of signing players who weren't eligible for work permits and then loaning them out to countries where there weren't the same restrictions.
In fact didn't we do the same with a couple of young African lads a few years back?
Surely the worst case scenario is we complete the signing without the permit (assuming we are 100% confident it will get granted eventually) and he just trains with us till the paperwork is rubber stamped.
Yep, back in 2008 we signed 5 players from Ivory Coast. None of whom had a work permit. Looking at their careers I don't think we missed much tbh:
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This sounds very exciting. Obviously I expect him to play U21s and Bristol Street Trophy at first just to get him acclimated but someone that's got TCs pace but with a bit more of a trick to his game is an very exciting option to potentially have.
Chelsea have about 8 and everyone below that is in some weird 4D poker game trying to sign just one (I know they are not directly linked just showing the general weirdness.)
I wouldn’t mentally factor him in until he becomes a realistic option to pick, at the moment he is a bit of a fantasy and each of us is imprinting on his name and game the player we would like him to be.
Wait and see, it might go all Andy Delort.
As for loans, we ought to have learned our lesson by now, never loan an indifferent player in from a ‘bigger’ club unless they will definitely do a better job than one of our eager youngsters coming through.
It is an unnecessary spend and a poor signal to our own guys
Wouldn’t the authorities favour a surgeon over a footballer?
I am not surprised there's interest from Rotherham though, he came with a good reputation from Burton.
"Plymouth Argyle boss Wayne Rooney says goalkeeper Michael Cooper has wanted to leave since he took over"
But as ever WIOTOS
Pretty sure Chelsea have a history of signing players who weren't eligible for work permits and then loaning them out to countries where there weren't the same restrictions.
In fact didn't we do the same with a couple of young African lads a few years back?
Surely the worst case scenario is we complete the signing without the permit (assuming we are 100% confident it will get granted eventually) and he just trains with us till the paperwork is rubber stamped.
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