Mannion would've I'm sure been made aware when he signed that we were also looking for another and initially he'll be No 2.....he's got a decent contract and I'm sure will be our No 1 in years to come
Exactly how Jones said he would be using the loan system, a player that wouldn't be available to us otherwise and is probably set to be one of if not the best goalkeeper in the division.
Sounds really solid, my best mate is an Arsenal fan and he said he's played a fair bit in pre-season and looked very good, more than happy seeing him back up on the bench for Arsenal, so it sounds like league 1 shouldn't be an issue.
This seems to be a really good move and should save us some wages. Two thumbs up 👍🏻 👍🏻
We must have the same mate, as my Arsenal supporting mate said the same thing! Easily championship quality.
Arsenal used to do an unusual deal with loans that the more they played the less the loaning club played.
This was the case with Sonogo. We paid 100% of his wages until he'd played X number of games, then 80% and so on.
No idea if that is still how they do it or what the exact figures are/were but it was designed to give the loan club an incentive to play the player as much as possible.
The Arsenal fans on the cesspit that is Twitter all seem very cross and surprised he’s not going on loan to a championship club because of how highly they rate him.
The Arsenal fans on the cesspit that is Twitter all seem very cross and surprised he’s not going on loan to a championship club because of how highly they rate him.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
Wasn’t it made clear by Jones that Mannion would be No.2, if so, not sure he can complain.
I get you but being number two to a Davies, Ruddy or Begovic is one thing. Being four years senior and being number two to a 22 year old is another. Fwiw I’m sure those saying Hein being number one are correct. No development for Arsenal and Hein sitting it out.
Mannion fully understood the situation from before he signed. The idea that he'll be pissed off at this development is a nonsense. We signed him because Jones trusts him to be the guy in an emergency, but we signed him as the number 2
I watched his highlights in their recent pre-season friendly vs Bournemouth - interestingly he wasn't great with his feet for an Arsenal keeper, I think the first 2 minutes of the video are him booting the ball out of play while under no pressure.
He made a couple of good saves and was the hero in the penalty shootout, you can see he will be a good player in the future. I'm not sure how good he'll be as a number 1 at first-team level, but he's got pedigree.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
Mannion fully understood the situation from before he signed. The idea that he'll be pissed off at this development is a nonsense. We signed him because Jones trusts him to be the guy in an emergency, but we signed him as the number 2
Mannion will still probably start on Saturday, if he does well then he might be able to keep the spot initially. If he does well, gets a clean sheet, and still gets dropped then he might be a bit pissed
I watched his highlights in their recent pre-season friendly vs Bournemouth - interestingly he wasn't great with his feet for an Arsenal keeper, I think the first 2 minutes of the video are him booting the ball out of play while under no pressure.
He made a couple of good saves and was the hero in the penalty shootout, you can see he will be a good player in the future. I'm not sure how good he'll be as a number 1 at first-team level, but he's got pedigree.
Who is he meant to be passing it out to for us ? If he commands his box and saves shots , that’s good enough for me .
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A bit about him there
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https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/who-is-karl-hein-arsenal-25477417
This was the case with Sonogo. We paid 100% of his wages until he'd played X number of games, then 80% and so on.
No idea if that is still how they do it or what the exact figures are/were but it was designed to give the loan club an incentive to play the player as much as possible.
He made a couple of good saves and was the hero in the penalty shootout, you can see he will be a good player in the future. I'm not sure how good he'll be as a number 1 at first-team level, but he's got pedigree.
I don’t think Jones would agree to it if there wasn’t a chance that it could be made permanent in 12 months time either.
Hein, he can"
The mist on the Thames is all Hein, come on..."