The club can’t afford a stock pile of “potential”. Decisions have to be made as to whether the manager feels it’s worth taking time or not. At age 22, it’s really is a crossroads. If he’s not ready then he’s wages and squad place are keeping someone that the manager feels is worth his place out of the squad. Some of these decisions will backfire but you need to trust the judgement of the man picking the team. I think Jones has made his decision. Good luck to the lad though. Will be a good incentive to prove Jones wrong.
Agreed, I think Jones’ has seen enough and made his decision. I actually think extending the contract was the wrong move.
The club can’t afford a stock pile of “potential”. Decisions have to be made as to whether the manager feels it’s worth taking time or not. At age 22, it’s really is a crossroads. If he’s not ready then he’s wages and squad place are keeping someone that the manager feels is worth his place out of the squad. Some of these decisions will backfire but you need to trust the judgement of the man picking the team. I think Jones has made his decision. Good luck to the lad though. Will be a good incentive to prove Jones wrong.
Fair points but does beg the question as to why he was given a one year extention then? And the timing of that?
Was it just to get a small fee or sell on clause or was he seen as back up if other deals didn't get done or as a player with potential it was worth taking a small financial risk on?
Would guess it’s the sell on rather than the fee. When you factor in the wages we’ve had to pay him the fee is going to be pretty irrelevant. Just guessing though.
The club can’t afford a stock pile of “potential”. Decisions have to be made as to whether the manager feels it’s worth taking time or not. At age 22, it’s really is a crossroads. If he’s not ready then he’s wages and squad place are keeping someone that the manager feels is worth his place out of the squad. Some of these decisions will backfire but you need to trust the judgement of the man picking the team. I think Jones has made his decision. Good luck to the lad though. Will be a good incentive to prove Jones wrong.
Fair points but does beg the question as to why he was given a one year extention then? And the timing of that?
Was it just to get a small fee or sell on clause or was he seen as back up if other deals didn't get done or as a player with potential it was worth taking a small financial risk on?
Perhaps all 3 of those initially? And then 2 get scratched off and the remaining option gets done. I'd imagine, unless he's injured or something that the 3rd option has been weighed and discarded? He's a decent footballer and will have a good career whatever happens in his immediate future.
There will be a significant moment to come regarding what might happen with Zach Mitchell next season. If he stays his first team chances might be quite limited, but it would be wrong for him to end up in the circumstances of the second half of last season at Colchester. I don’t know how these things can be constructed, but for me the best next step if he isn’t a regular first teamer for us at the moment, would be an initial half season loan at a club that is kind of certain to play him. Maybe Gillingham or Wimbledon or Bromley.
Interesting stat from ChicagoAddick, Lucas Ness hasn't featured in any pre season friendly, I could be wrong but I believe Zac Mitchell has appeared in all of the friendlies so far and from the ones I've seen, you can see why, he can pass out of defence.
I recall Garner’s last game when both of them were young . Zac looked head and shoulders above Ness - stronger , quicker , better on the ball. Ness then went on a decent run but looked pretty hopeless last season, admittedly in a terrible team.
Theres a good player in Ness. Can see him move to a League Two but in a season or two be playing higher. May even get a League One gig this summer.
For Lucas Ness read Matt Elliott. Wasn’t quite good enough at the time and went to Torquay. Was then sold to Leicester and the rest is history.
Remember. Lua Lua did tremendously well for Jones .:-(
This is my big concern about getting Jones band of brothers back together who were great 3/4 years ago. If Hylton, Potts et al are bought in to bolster the depth then happy days, if they are being positioned as the quality signings we need then I'd begin to worry
There will be a significant moment to come regarding what might happen with Zach Mitchell next season. If he stays his first team chances might be quite limited, but it would be wrong for him to end up in the circumstances of the second half of last season at Colchester. I don’t know how these things can be constructed, but for me the best next step if he isn’t a regular first teamer for us at the moment, would be an initial half season loan at a club that is kind of certain to play him. Maybe Gillingham or Wimbledon or Bromley.
Agreed but he needs to sign a new contract first or he would come back from a half season loan in January with a few months left on his existing one
Remember. Lua Lua did tremendously well for Jones .:-(
This is my big concern about getting Jones band of brothers back together who were great 3/4 years ago. If Hylton, Potts et al are bought in to bolster the depth then happy days, if they are being positioned as the quality signings we need then I'd begin to worry
No way Hylton is being viewed as that player. Potts maybe but he’s only 30, Lualua was aging winger signed when the transfer window was closed, don’t think the comparison is valid tbf.
I don't whether Ness will eventually make the grade or not, I base that on Tom Lockyer, never could see that fella being better than lower championship and for me the fault in his game was his passing but he ends up captain of a premiership side. I know bugger all about how players develop for sure.
Remember. Lua Lua did tremendously well for Jones .:-(
This is my big concern about getting Jones band of brothers back together who were great 3/4 years ago. If Hylton, Potts et al are bought in to bolster the depth then happy days, if they are being positioned as the quality signings we need then I'd begin to worry
No way Hylton is being viewed as that player. Potts maybe but he’s only 30, Lualua was aging winger signed when the transfer window was closed, don’t think the comparison is valid tbf.
For clarity, I don't think Hylton in particular is being viewed that way, I think a lot of us would be a bit miffed if we ended up with a bunch of Jones merrymen IF it doesn't end up working out. Potts may only be 30 but I can't see why he is being positioned as the top drawer centre half we need to stop shipping shabby goals. To me it feels like we are beginning to see the exhaustion of primary targets and then into Nathan's black book of contacts. It'll be hard to say definitively which way it's going/gone until the end of the window.
The club can’t afford a stock pile of “potential”. Decisions have to be made as to whether the manager feels it’s worth taking time or not. At age 22, it’s really is a crossroads. If he’s not ready then he’s wages and squad place are keeping someone that the manager feels is worth his place out of the squad. Some of these decisions will backfire but you need to trust the judgement of the man picking the team. I think Jones has made his decision. Good luck to the lad though. Will be a good incentive to prove Jones wrong.
Fair points but does beg the question as to why he was given a one year extention then? And the timing of that?
Was it just to get a small fee or sell on clause or was he seen as back up if other deals didn't get done or as a player with potential it was worth taking a small financial risk on?
Had he refused it and gone elsewhere we would have been given a fee through arbitration right?
Perhaps it was a gamble putting the offer on the table with the preface you’re not really in the plans, hoping he would say no and we get money regardless?
I don't whether Ness will eventually make the grade or not, I base that on Tom Lockyer, never could see that fella being better than lower championship and for me the fault in his game was his passing but he ends up captain of a premiership side. I know bugger all about how players develop for sure.
You joking? He was our best defender that season by a miles, only defender we had that looked like he could play high end championship if not higher..
Ness is underrated and a good player. Anyone who saw him play away art Man Utd in the cup game would be surprised that he is being let go. He was excellent that night against Premier League attackers.
don’t see that.. consistently he was poor, odd good game, one of being Man Utd.. but players can some times have good game against a more superior opposition doesn’t make them a good player.. look at Lisbie again us in the cup.. Zach Mitchell is a lot better player than him that’s for sure!
Interesting stat from ChicagoAddick, Lucas Ness hasn't featured in any pre season friendly, I could be wrong but I believe Zac Mitchell has appeared in all of the friendlies so far and from the ones I've seen, you can see why, he can pass out of defence.
I recall Garner’s last game when both of them were young . Zac looked head and shoulders above Ness - stronger , quicker , better on the ball. Ness then went on a decent run but looked pretty hopeless last season, admittedly in a terrible team.
Theres a good player in Ness. Can see him move to a League Two but in a season or two be playing higher. May even get a League One gig this summer.
For Lucas Ness read Matt Elliott. Wasn’t quite good enough at the time and went to Torquay. Was then sold to Leicester and the rest is history.
Or one of the hundreds of players we've released, who've ended up in L2 or non league football.
If Hylton is not going to be signing as a player, must be as a player/coach, otherwise why have him taking up places in the pre season matches...the "Old Pal's Act" stuff from Nathan can be overplayed, if that turns out to be the case...🤷♂️
I don't whether Ness will eventually make the grade or not, I base that on Tom Lockyer, never could see that fella being better than lower championship and for me the fault in his game was his passing but he ends up captain of a premiership side. I know bugger all about how players develop for sure.
You joking? He was our best defender that season by a miles, only defender we had that looked like he could play high end championship if not higher..
I wasn't a fan of his partner either to be honest, people on here rave about him, all about opinions I suppose.
Interesting if that's the case, either they're confident Aneke holds up and Leaburn is back soon, or they have a different plan
We have 4 fit strikers, not including Aneke or Leaburn- Ahadme, Godden, Kanu and Campbell. That plus Aneke sometimes and Leaburn when he is fit will probably be seen as enough.
Interesting if that's the case, either they're confident Aneke holds up and Leaburn is back soon, or they have a different plan
We have 4 fit strikers, not including Aneke or Leaburn- Ahadme, Godden, Kanu and Campbell. That plus Aneke sometimes and Leaburn when he is fit will probably be seen as enough.
Is it good enough to get us promotion though? The short answer is, no.
Interesting if that's the case, either they're confident Aneke holds up and Leaburn is back soon, or they have a different plan
We have 4 fit strikers, not including Aneke or Leaburn- Ahadme, Godden, Kanu and Campbell. That plus Aneke sometimes and Leaburn when he is fit will probably be seen as enough.
Is it good enough to get us promotion though? The short answer is, no.
I don’t think many other teams in the league will have so many good options
Was the idea to just to get him in to preseason to show the youngsters the right way of doing things or is going to be signed as a coach ?
Or maybe with what is considered to be a full complement of forwards, Jones was doing Hylton a favour by making him look like a going concern so other clubs take note
Interesting if that's the case, either they're confident Aneke holds up and Leaburn is back soon, or they have a different plan
We have 4 fit strikers, not including Aneke or Leaburn- Ahadme, Godden, Kanu and Campbell. That plus Aneke sometimes and Leaburn when he is fit will probably be seen as enough.
Is it good enough to get us promotion though? The short answer is, no.
I don’t think many other teams in the league will have so many good options
I like the optimism but let’s wait to see how things go. Even looking at it factually, we have a 33 year old Godden, 2 unprovens in Kanu and Campbell, Ahadme who has had 1 season in proper football and 2 often injured in Leaburn and Aneke .
Can't see us adding another striker unless someone suffered a long term injury. Would think it would be a bit of a hard sell for a loan player too in terms of minutes.
Interesting if that's the case, either they're confident Aneke holds up and Leaburn is back soon, or they have a different plan
We have 4 fit strikers, not including Aneke or Leaburn- Ahadme, Godden, Kanu and Campbell. That plus Aneke sometimes and Leaburn when he is fit will probably be seen as enough.
Is it good enough to get us promotion though? The short answer is, no.
I don’t think many other teams in the league will have so many good options
This is unlike me to say but I think you're right. Really dont need any more strikers, esp if Campbell can be used up there.
Hoping that one of our new midfielders can be the player we need to unlock defences, otherwise you can have as many strikers as you like but if chances arent being created....
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He's a decent footballer and will have a good career whatever happens in his immediate future.
If he stays his first team chances might be quite limited, but it would be wrong for him to end up in the circumstances of the second half of last season at Colchester.
I don’t know how these things can be constructed, but for me the best next step if he isn’t a regular first teamer for us at the moment, would be an initial half season loan at a club that is kind of certain to play him.
Maybe Gillingham or Wimbledon or Bromley.
.:-(
Agreed but he needs to sign a new contract first or he would come back from a half season loan in January with a few months left on his existing one
Zach Mitchell is a lot better player than him that’s for sure!
Does he have anything to say about Trevor Kettle?
Hoping that one of our new midfielders can be the player we need to unlock defences, otherwise you can have as many strikers as you like but if chances arent being created....