I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
What point has been proved by my question?
Negativity, and about his background.. people already made their mind up, and unwilling to accept.
Football side he doesn’t call the shots
You have just written that Scott and Methven agreed on Appleton. Methven has a minority shareholding, and Scott none at all. Why was Methven involved if it was a football decision, and why was Scott involved if it is a decision taken by the shareholders?
And why does it look like the shareholder with a piddling amount has more clout than those with the biggest shareholding?
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
This is beginning to feel very Thomas Driesen. Only taken credit when things go well, and passing the buck when it goes wrong.
Given Appleton’s history, logic would tell you it was the Oxford massive that would have wanted Appleton.
Regardless, too many leaks from the man who on his podcast bangs on about leaving football decisions to football people and empowering your Technical Director.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedly ) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
Who is actually in charge?
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
No-one seems to know, which is sort of the problem it seems. Of course having one person doing everything is not automatically the answer either (as shown by that one person potentially being Meire or Sandgaard).
Unfortunately our current leadership seem to have had a plan for how to buy a club, and to make a nice profit when selling it later, but turned out to be a bit rubbish at the bit in-between those two points, e.g. actually running a club.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
So he did want him then?!
Not originally no. But after interviews and after 2nd interview yes
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
How boring ,uninspired ,dull,absolutely useless must Moore be,if Appleton got the gig!!!!
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.
Says it all,Charlie thought Appleton is a "class act", everyone I know was "ffs,not him "
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
So he did want him then?!
Not originally no. But after interviews and after 2nd interview yes
...So he didn't want him until he did want him. That's how wanting things works.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
How boring ,uninspired ,dull,absolutely useless must Moore be,if Appleton got the gig!!!!
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
How boring ,uninspired ,dull,absolutely useless must Moore be,if Appleton got the gig!!!!
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
Success has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
So what actually has Methven done wrong?? Apart from leaks to people who feed information?
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
I opened this thread on page 62 and the first post I saw was a war and peace Grapevine classic, skipped right to the current page and the last few posts I see are Dubai stepping in support of his man Charlie - never change CL, never change
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedly ) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
Who is actually in charge?
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
No-one seems to know, which is sort of the problem it seems. Of course having one person doing everything is not automatically the answer either (as shown by that one person potentially being Meire or Sandgaard).
Unfortunately our current leadership seem to have had a plan for how to buy a club, and to make a nice profit when selling it later, but turned out to be a bit rubbish at the bit in-between those two points, e.g. actually running a club.
Ultimate control is with the owners who share value adds up to over 50%, if they decide to influence that control they have the power to replace the British board of directors and or the senior management team if different. There’s nothing unusual or exceptional that I can see in the Charlton set up.
I have been an owner and worked alongside a senior management team who were employed to reorganise our company, in my case it wasn’t a great success or experience. The biggest mistake we made was employing consultants to advise us of the structure (that part was ok) and composition of the senior management team, they suggested a time span of 2 years and also the people who in there opinion had the skill set to undertake the required reshaping (both myself and my partners where engineers and certainly couldn’t have undertaken this). After 2 years of the 5 senior management employed (all corporate types with no knowledge of working in a private company) only 1 survived, the other 4 where tossers of the first order and where quickly removed, one even was a blabbermouth and loved to play politics which caused a lot of aggro. My staff rightly blamed myself and my partner for the mess that eventually took 4 years from the start of the reorganisation until us owners and the staff were satisfied, they were probably correct.
The moral of this story, is double the amount of time for the reorganisation, expect not to get the correct senior management team in place initially and expect it to change out of all recognition between the start of restructuring and the completion. Oh and expect head aches, aggravation and loads of additional, unexpected costs and to realise that specialist consultants are good at talking and that about it, oh other than they get paid by the word and not by results.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.
Easy to say once it’s gone wrong that Appleton was someone else’s choice.
An ongoing discussion about who told @DubaiCAFC what, and why, is hardly discussing who might be the new appointment. Dubai has shared what he has been told, some are happy that its been shared (the camp I'm in), others not so. Why on earth we have this fixation with Methven, the colour of his trousers, where he went to school etc etc is beyond me! I'm interested in the here and now and which person will come in and stop this team sliding into League 2. The entire SMT have a collective responsibility to get this appointment right! If Scott, or Methven or anyone else, on the SMT, gets this decision wrong then 'collectively' they are all to blame, it's the same as if they get it right and we start heading upwards over the rest of this season and next, they can ALL take the credit. So is there any remote chance we can discuss potential new managers and less about who told who what and why? What the hell does it matter FFS? I'm happy if people share what they've been told, heard etc. Its how Sky Sports News spends most of their broadcasting time! Believe me, life is too short to be discussing minutia of trousers etc! For what its worth I'd be happy with Jones, Rowett or Duff (even Warnock as a 'Red Adaire' short term solution!)
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
So what actually has Methven done wrong??
I've already said what I feel are the issues but you dismissed those, and all criticism, as being based on purely personal dislike of him.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
And this above is just one example of what Methven is doing wrong. No collective or individual responsibility for what is going wrong, no discretion, no confidentiality.
His leaking that MA had been sacked on the Sunday after the Burton defeat was not only incredibly indiscreet, unprofessional and damaging to the club and team it wasn't even correct.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
So what actually has Methven done wrong?? Apart from leaks to people who feed information?
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
Methven got the investors in to the club..
You ask the question what has Methven done wrong.
He has put together a consortium of people to run this club for the American owners.
As for whether he is doing a good or a bad job I shall judge him on how we as a club are performing.
As we are in real danger of being relegated I would say he and his mates are not doing very well.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
And this above is just one example of what Methven is doing wrong. No collective or individual responsibility for what is going wrong, no discretion, no confidentiality.
His leaking that MA had been sacked on the Sunday after the Burton defeat was not only incredibly indiscreet, unprofessional and damaging to the club and team it wasn't even correct.
Funny thing is, the leak wasn’t from Methven it verified, by him.. come from some else..
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedly ) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
Who is actually in charge?
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
The most wearisome period in our history. Oh to be thinking solely about the game on Saturday, and whether a win would put us second or top.
can't really compare to being evicted from the Valley .. or back in the really 'bad old days' standing on the huge terrace amongst a 'crowd of around 3,000, you could almost count 'em
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Point proven..
No, point not proven.
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.
As you responded to me earlier,you've never ever spoken to Methven have you?
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Methven has a minority shareholding, and Scott none at all.
Why was Methven involved if it was a football decision, and why was Scott involved if it is a decision taken by the shareholders?
Given Appleton’s history, logic would tell you it was the Oxford massive that would have wanted Appleton.
Regardless, too many leaks from the man who on his podcast bangs on about leaving football decisions to football people and empowering your Technical Director.
Unfortunately our current leadership seem to have had a plan for how to buy a club, and to make a nice profit when selling it later, but turned out to be a bit rubbish at the bit in-between those two points, e.g. actually running a club.
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That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
Methven got the investors in to the club..
I'm interested in the here and now and which person will come in and stop this team sliding into League 2. The entire SMT have a collective responsibility to get this appointment right! If Scott, or Methven or anyone else, on the SMT, gets this decision wrong then 'collectively' they are all to blame, it's the same as if they get it right and we start heading upwards over the rest of this season and next, they can ALL take the credit. So is there any remote chance we can discuss potential new managers and less about who told who what and why? What the hell does it matter FFS?
I'm happy if people share what they've been told, heard etc. Its how Sky Sports News spends most of their broadcasting time! Believe me, life is too short to be discussing minutia of trousers etc!
For what its worth I'd be happy with Jones, Rowett or Duff (even Warnock as a 'Red Adaire' short term solution!)
His leaking that MA had been sacked on the Sunday after the Burton defeat was not only incredibly indiscreet, unprofessional and damaging to the club and team it wasn't even correct.
He has put together a consortium of people to run this club for the American owners.
As for whether he is doing a good or a bad job I shall judge him on how we as a club are performing.
As we are in real danger of being relegated I would say he and his mates are not doing very well.