I know these things take time, but unless we appoint someone soon, we won't have a chance in hell of properly planning the sacking that will take place during the Summer window.
People underestimate how crucial a Summer sacking is. Get that right and the following January's sacking is much easier.
So we need to recruit whoever is going to be sacked in the Summer as soon as possible. That way, we have more time to make sure next January's sacking can go as well as possible.
The new manager won't be sacked in the summer.
He'll have all summer to be involved in recruitment, to plan and manage pre-season training so that the player know 100% what he expects of them and his style of football, to be the face and identity of the club...
Andy Scott isn't an amateur. Look at his football CV, unfortunately he hired Appleton so it has a stain that he may wish to remove; No he can't. For Andy Scott to have any future at Cafc he has to get Jones, Warnock or even Rowett (who I thought wanted to head away from London to Derbyshire and Huddersfield would be doable and his best option)
Jones and Cafc are both quirky and just may work to stop the slide and some steps to the height of mid table which really will be ok after the clusterfeck of a season so far. Top six next season with a galvanised side should be mandatory for 24/25 season.
Obviously nothing is confirmed yet but if we are in a choice between Jones and Rowett then at least we are looking (on paper) at a higher level of coaches than we've had for years. Both have had more successes than failures but both are very different to what we've had - and different from each other too.
Rowett seems a pragmatist and Jones seems to want to dictate exactly how his teams will play. Rowett's football is effective but dull and Jones might be more peaks and troughs
What would fans prefer? Would they be patient with Rowett if it's not exactly riveting low-scoring games?
Lots to consider but I repeat - we are potentially looking at a very large uplift on the calibre of our gaffer so I'm happy for then to do the appropriate due diligence and then it's up to us to give him the time to do his thing and for us to support whoever it may be.
And NO, I don't know who we are going for but I do know it is not going to be Lee Johnson so that daft rumour can be put to bed
I am not sure who feeds REAMS and Dubai (assume same person giving info to them both) but find it very odd just how much leaks from this club constantly since this mob took over. It seems incredibly amateur and just causes upset most of the time.
It's a week since Apple's was sacked, we were massively unlikely to have appointed someone by now and no one would be too disappointed, but because of the leaks there is a risk people end up that way.
It's weird and it's unprofessional imo.
Not a dig at people passing info here and elsewhere but a dig at the source of such info.
Leaks have always happened, before this group it was easier to get information I would say.. Difference is, people have already made there mind up they don't like a certain person in this group, and will always look to pick holes..
Was never going to be a quick process to appoint a new manager, and was never a plan to do so, until Burton game, and they did actually sack him that night, but back tracked, well 2 out of board did..
To be honest, those two I think were bang out of order to allow Appleton to go through Tuesday game, knowing the toxic atmosphere..
I just find it mind-boggling that someone is sharing this level of detail with you and is apparently happy with you putting it in the public domain. Doesn’t it make you wonder?
As a supporter I’m happy to be made aware of it, but there’s no way someone could get away with such a lack of professionalism in most work places.
Come on.. Chit chatter happens in every business.. Go out for a ciggy or on a work social.. It happens all the time.. Across every football club up and down the country..
People have got a problem with it, because they don't like certain people
No, some people don't like and other do.
Some reason people don't like it, or at least the way it is done, is that it is unprofessional, it undermines what should be the club's proper comms strategy, the information isn't always correct and quite often it comes with a large degree of spin which positions the leaker, and the ultimate source is most definitely Methven even if he's not your direct source, as not having done anything wrong but always that is is other directors' fault or greedy agents/players/clubs to blame.
I know these things take time, but unless we appoint someone soon, we won't have a chance in hell of properly planning the sacking that will take place during the Summer window.
People underestimate how crucial a Summer sacking is. Get that right and the following January's sacking is much easier.
So we need to recruit whoever is going to be sacked in the Summer as soon as possible. That way, we have more time to make sure next January's sacking can go as well as possible.
About 15 years ago I worked for The FA in their coach education (FA Learning) department. I met Gary Rowett on the pro licence course and the tutors all said he was the exceptional coach from that intake.
I had a good chat with him about Curbs. He said he was old school, and his training wasn't that great, but he was an excellent motivator.
I was gutted when he went to Millwall, because I thought he would do a good job, so would be really pleased to see him at the Valley
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedly ) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
Shareholders don’t tend to call the shots on a day to day business Seth. That’s the norm for most businesses, other than sole owner/family run businesses. They may determine strategy and provide the wherewithal to achieve that, but not unusual to then be in the background. That’s just business.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedly ) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
Who is actually in charge?
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
I personally don't understand the hold up, Appleton was sacked over a week ago, you have to assume there were discussions had prior to it happening. His demeanour against Northampton and the players reactions suggested it.
So surely there was candidates lined up? What is there to interview and does it really take this long? There's about 5 candidates that would be very decent, this shouldn't be a difficult decision. There's only so much you can ask a manager as it isn't like an ordinary job, their work ethics and results are very public. Pay the going rate and that's that.
If we don't end up with the likes of Jones, Rowett, Warnock etc, I'll be extremely disappointed as it's what we need to progress, it can't be another cheap option or we are fucked.
The cynic in me is starting to think we won't end up with what we want. I don't believe it will be someone shit like Lee Johnson, but I am also starting to think it won't be someone as glamorous as Rowett or Jones, fully expecting a middle ground option, whoever that is.
On one hand shit equals Johnson, on the other hand glamorous equals Rowett or Jones.
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Holden yes. Appleton no
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on Appleton
So he did want him then?!
Not originally no. But after interviews and after 2nd interview yes
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He'll have all summer to be involved in recruitment, to plan and manage pre-season training so that the player know 100% what he expects of them and his style of football, to be the face and identity of the club...
And then be sacked in September.
Rowett seems a pragmatist and Jones seems to want to dictate exactly how his teams will play. Rowett's football is effective but dull and Jones might be more peaks and troughs
What would fans prefer? Would they be patient with Rowett if it's not exactly riveting low-scoring games?
Lots to consider but I repeat - we are potentially looking at a very large uplift on the calibre of our gaffer so I'm happy for then to do the appropriate due diligence and then it's up to us to give him the time to do his thing and for us to support whoever it may be.
And NO, I don't know who we are going for but I do know it is not going to be Lee Johnson so that daft rumour can be put to bed
Brilliant.
Winning is all that most seem to want, however hard they try to patch it up
After all would we prefer to see Charlton win 1-0, or draw 3-3 | 2-2 every week?
League 2 and it's auto's, 1st or 2nd and we do a Coventry.
League 2, Shut up, its not going to happen,
Its not going to, its not going, its not, its...
Is it 🤔
I had a good chat with him about Curbs. He said he was old school, and his training wasn't that great, but he was an excellent motivator.
I was gutted when he went to Millwall, because I thought he would do a good job, so would be really pleased to see him at the Valley
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
glamorous equals Rowett or Jones.
You are of course having a laugh.