I've only just logged on today - busy day post Sundance trip.
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
Are there many managers about any more ? It’s pretty much all head coaches these days.
and that is all too often a real problem .. too many cooks involved in team matters .. Directors of Football, coaches, physios, trainers, owners, advisers, soothsayers etc etc .. should be one man, THE manager running the team with minimal interference
In the modern game it just isn’t a realistic set up to have one man doing everything. There’s a reason why it’s dying out
I've only just logged on today - busy day post Sundance trip.
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
Are there many managers about any more ? It’s pretty much all head coaches these days.
and that is all too often a real problem .. too many cooks involved in team matters .. Directors of Football, coaches, physios, trainers, owners, advisers, soothsayers etc etc .. should be one man, THE manager running the team with minimal interference
In the modern game it just isn’t a realistic set up to have one man doing everything. There’s a reason why it’s dying out
I don't expect the manager to do the laundry or mow the pitch, just to run the team with (as said) minimal interference
I've only just logged on today - busy day post Sundance trip.
I haven't put my £50 on Rowett..... yet....but my betting account has enough in it.....
One of the candidates will only come if he can be Manager not Head Coach.
He feels if Charlton want to progress they need to make changes.
I'm not sure why any Millwall fan was unhappy with Rowett's time there. Consistently bottom six lowest budget and 90 minutes away from the play offs before the chairman died.
I really will have to log off here if GR gets the job - could be a win-win for some of you!!!
Out of interest what are the big differences between the two? Is it purely down to transfer business and who has the final say. For example, Scott gets final decision with a head coach in charge, but the manager gets final say when they are in charge etc.
Successful clubs are successful because they get everyone pulling it the same direction, everyone knows what they need to do and why and they are motivated to do that.
We've not had that for a long time.
In contrast Luton have. They didn't have the most money but under Jones they had clear direction "on the grass" to go with a clear plan from the board and good recruitment from Harford.
That's why Harford could step in when Jones first left and the team continue to be a success, because the pattern was already set.
It also meant that Jones could easily slip back in to the role and Edwards could carry it on.
Do Charlton have that continuity and structure?
Scott and Rodwell have spoken a lot about creating such a structure and culture but I've not seen, albeit as an outsider, much evidence of it happening, not yet at least.
We certainly haven't got the winning mentality that was promised when Appleton was appointed.
It could be that Jones is a key part of creating this culture but it could equally be that Jones needs such a culture in place already to thrive which is why he flopped at Stoke and Southampton.
I’m really not liking the way this search is going in terms of the kind of names in the frame.
Just my opinion but I really don’t think it will end well come May if this is the road we go down.
Who was you expecting 🤔
Oh this is what I was expecting….. experience from an exceptionally large sample size states that managers like these who have decent CVs but don’t have a special bond never work out.
anyway it is what it is - let’s see where we are in May and then we will know if it was the right approach.
If I were pushed I probably go Rowett - but then again you can already see the Agent Rowett jokes from that lot from a mile off!
But Rowett not available and when he returns to football it will be closer to the midlands where his family is
Random Twitter account claiming Jones keen but wants his own signings before the window closes.
How on earth does he expect that to happen in such short a time…..pretty unrealistic if you ask me.🤔
Why do people take random Twitter accounts as ITK .. its to late now for any new manager to put forward list of targets and get them done unless their loans ?
I think Nathan Jones would be a great appointment no one can be certain but what he did in rebuilding Luton from the ground up is just what we need at Charlton. He was very highly regarded when first at Charlton and then at Brighton. There is a video somewhere of Mick McCarthy talking about Jones when he was reserve manager at Charlton and how obsessive and manic he was. We need that intensity. I think you can completely forget his spell at Southampton which was a car crash all around The Stoke spell is a bit more worrying because the players seemed to rebel against him but the culture shock after Tony Pulis would have been enormous I think and hope he will have learned tons from those experiences- l think he is just the right man at the right time to kick us back on a recovery journey
I think Nathan Jones would be a great appointment no one can be certain but what he did in rebuilding Luton from the ground up is just what we need at Charlton. He was very highly regarded when first at Charlton and then at Brighton. There is a video somewhere of Mick McCarthy talking about Jones when he was reserve manager at Charlton and how obsessive and manic he was. We need that intensity. I think you can completely forget his spell at Southampton which was a car crash all around The Stoke spell is a bit more worrying because the players seemed to rebel against him but the culture shock after Tony Pulis would have been enormous I think and hope he will have learned tons from those experiences- l think he is just the right man at the right time to kick us back on a recovery journey
Look at stokes managers this century. None of them have impressive records. They had a good spell but where they are now is the higher end of their natural level
Had Duff and Eustace as my 2 favourites but have started to come around a bit on the idea on NJ from some of the comments on here and from that Jimmy Stone tweet earlier.
Duff would've been my first choice but happy with Jones. Whoever comes in, I hope they're greeted with some positivity.
I agree although I think ultimately positivity will only come with wins, points and staying up primarily and then in the summer how the club moves forward towards competing next season, in what has to be L1.
I think Nathan Jones would be a great appointment no one can be certain but what he did in rebuilding Luton from the ground up is just what we need at Charlton. He was very highly regarded when first at Charlton and then at Brighton. There is a video somewhere of Mick McCarthy talking about Jones when he was reserve manager at Charlton and how obsessive and manic he was. We need that intensity. I think you can completely forget his spell at Southampton which was a car crash all around The Stoke spell is a bit more worrying because the players seemed to rebel against him but the culture shock after Tony Pulis would have been enormous I think and hope he will have learned tons from those experiences- l think he is just the right man at the right time to kick us back on a recovery journey
What worries me is that his ability to get on with the players and give them a lift is in question.
I think our squad are shell shocked after seeing two managers sacked, and the fans getting toxic over recent weeks. If Stoke’s players really rebelled that’s a worrying sign. That could be all hype though of course.
To dither and delay is to rue the day. Some sound candidates being touted from which one ought to be a good fit. To stick with Flemming until it goes wrong seems a mad idea to me, the board giving themselves a vote of no confidence in their own ability to find the right man now.
Yes, but do you have faith in Scott making the right choice? Bearing in mind Appleton was the outstanding candidate of 1.
Appleton was .. others were Cowley brothers , Lee Johnson , Lennon or Harris
It was a joke.
I know there were more but Scotts suggestion that he was the outstanding candidate out of a very small and limited pool.
Jones seemed to have the lost the plot at Southampton. Some of his interviews are really bizarre.
He’ll be fine. All he’ll have to deal with is Louis asking his thoughts on Avanti West and Terry telling him post match that despite 7 goals conceded in the first half, 8 goals leaked in the 2nd half, there were plenty of positives to take away from the 7 minutes stoppage time that remained goalless and that he must have been pleased with the attitude the lads showed at the end there :-)
Jones seemed to have the lost the plot at Southampton. Some of his interviews are really bizarre.
He’ll be fine. All he’ll have to deal with is Louis asking his thoughts on Avanti West and Terry telling him post match that despite 7 goals conceded in the first half, 8 goals leaked in the 2nd half, there were plenty of positives to take away from the 7 minutes stoppage time that remained goalless and that he must have been pleased with the attitude the lads showed at the end there :-)
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We've not had that for a long time.
In contrast Luton have. They didn't have the most money but under Jones they had clear direction "on the grass" to go with a clear plan from the board and good recruitment from Harford.
That's why Harford could step in when Jones first left and the team continue to be a success, because the pattern was already set.
It also meant that Jones could easily slip back in to the role and Edwards could carry it on.
Do Charlton have that continuity and structure?
Scott and Rodwell have spoken a lot about creating such a structure and culture but I've not seen, albeit as an outsider, much evidence of it happening, not yet at least.
We certainly haven't got the winning mentality that was promised when Appleton was appointed.
It could be that Jones is a key part of creating this culture but it could equally be that Jones needs such a culture in place already to thrive which is why he flopped at Stoke and Southampton.
I don't know but maybe we'll find out soon.
no one can be certain but what he did in rebuilding Luton from the ground up is just what we need at Charlton. He was very highly regarded when first at Charlton and then at Brighton. There is a video somewhere of Mick McCarthy talking about Jones when he was reserve manager at Charlton and how obsessive and manic he was. We need that intensity. I think you can completely forget his spell at Southampton which was a car crash all around
The Stoke spell is a bit more worrying because the players seemed to rebel against him but the culture shock after Tony Pulis would have been enormous
I think and hope he will have learned tons from those experiences-
l think he is just the right man at the right time to kick us back on a recovery journey
Like when we pissed off the Nigels with Dowie. That went well. ;-)
I know there were more but Scotts suggestion that he was the outstanding candidate out of a very small and limited pool.
Genuinely staggering what an interview or two can do.
Jbaker, do you mean Warburton or just that the new manager will be a him ?