I think win/lose %s are pretty irrelevant unless they’re in the same division. Lennie wouldn’t score brilliantly in the old Division One, but he was a high-achieving manager in the circumstances.
Then you have to factor in resources across the board. Easier to win games at Sunderland in L1 than at Accrington, you would think.
Agreed. Neil's is skewed by the 54% win rate at Hamilton Academicals.
If you take out his best and worse performances as manager his win/loss % is 43.
Not sure what any of that means or proves, but I wanted to look at it anyway.
Neil would be a bit of a meh appointment. Warnock would probably be my first choice, but dont think he would come here. Think Nathan Jones would be a good fit for us
I think win/lose %s are pretty irrelevant unless they’re in the same division. Lennie wouldn’t score brilliantly in the old Division One, but he was a high-achieving manager in the circumstances.
Then you have to factor in resources across the board. Easier to win games at Sunderland in L1 than at Accrington, you would think.
I agree, and did say they're of limited value, but how much store gets placed on them in the selection process is an interesting one.
My Southampton supporting mate says Nathan Jones is a born again Christian and he talks about Christ the Lord in his post-match interviews. That would be different!
Changed my mind. I don't want him. Can't put up with that bollocks. Too much childhood trauma.
Think Neil would be a great manager for a side at this level. He proved that recently with Sunderland.
We can’t go back to a 4-2-3-1 formation though, we’ve got to commit to 2 strikers because our best player fits that system. The new manager needs to be 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 so if it’s Neil hopefully he’s willing to build around that
I hope they're aware Neil had a lot of success with his trademark 4-2-3-1 at other clubs, but at Stoke he was forced to play with wingbacks because of the squad and we know how that turned out.
Fair points.. To be honest that formation you have mentioned, I believe will suit our midfield well.. I would say we are certainly looking to bring a winger or two in, to give us flexbility.
I really dislike the idea that we might start playing a lone striker formation again when we've got Alfie May. Where is the joined up thinking from these guys. At least make it a switch between 352 and the diamond. Signing wingers doesn't make sense.
I don’t see the point reading too much into formations. Any half-decent manager or coach will adapt or play how they want to.
Maybe some can back this up with stats but doesn't it feel that managers who get promoted from this league are usually in their first job or have come up from below? How many times does it work out a manager dropped down a league and then getting a team promoted? This isn't to say we shouldn't be looking at the names rumoured to be on the shortlist just I hope we aren't going for a name rather than ability.
Maybe some can back this up with stats but doesn't it feel that managers who get promoted from this league are usually in their first job or have come up from below? How many times does it work out a manager dropped down a league and then getting a team promoted? This isn't to say we shouldn't be looking at the names rumoured to be on the shortlist just I hope we aren't going for a name rather than ability.
Already been discussed on this thread. Generally yes, it’s early career coaches in their first or second jobs and/or seasons that have got clubs promoted.
I hope they're aware Neil had a lot of success with his trademark 4-2-3-1 at other clubs, but at Stoke he was forced to play with wingbacks because of the squad and we know how that turned out.
Fair points.. To be honest that formation you have mentioned, I believe will suit our midfield well.. I would say we are certainly looking to bring a winger or two in, to give us flexbility.
I really dislike the idea that we might start playing a lone striker formation again when we've got Alfie May. Where is the joined up thinking from these guys. At least make it a switch between 352 and the diamond. Signing wingers doesn't make sense.
I don’t see the point reading too much into formations. Any half-decent manager or coach will adapt or play how they want to.
But the one we're talking about has only ever played 4-2-3-1, and when he had to play a 352 it was a failure.
Would say no to Warnock. Just don't think it's the right move. Duff would be good , Jones I have questions about if he can turn his career around, Neil is a safe pair of hands at this level and championship level. Still like the idea of at least trying to talk to John Eustace even if it's ultimately a no.
It is quite acceptable for Millwall fans to take the piss over our latest troubles.
I wish that @MillwallFan was better at it though, no creative turn of phrase, no memorable original lines, rather predictably vapid.
For a supporter base who ‘don’t care’ I am surprised any Millwall fan wants to bother to post their low grade GCSE cliché’s anyway, when they could be celebrating the new name of Zampa road.
I hope they're aware Neil had a lot of success with his trademark 4-2-3-1 at other clubs, but at Stoke he was forced to play with wingbacks because of the squad and we know how that turned out.
Fair points.. To be honest that formation you have mentioned, I believe will suit our midfield well.. I would say we are certainly looking to bring a winger or two in, to give us flexbility.
I really dislike the idea that we might start playing a lone striker formation again when we've got Alfie May. Where is the joined up thinking from these guys. At least make it a switch between 352 and the diamond. Signing wingers doesn't make sense.
I don’t see the point reading too much into formations. Any half-decent manager or coach will adapt or play how they want to.
But the one we're talking about has only ever played 4-2-3-1, and when he had to play a 352 it was a failure.
I think win/lose %s are pretty irrelevant unless they’re in the same division. Lennie wouldn’t score brilliantly in the old Division One, but he was a high-achieving manager in the circumstances.
Then you have to factor in resources across the board. Easier to win games at Sunderland in L1 than at Accrington, you would think.
Agreed. Neil's is skewed by the 54% win rate at Hamilton Academicals.
Percentage win rates are a load of b****ks. So many factors such as budget, timespan, division etc
means very little
That's correct Gaffer. Another pointless stat is possession. Cafc had 75% possession at Burton away from home but still managed to lose 2-0 as we have a penchant for defending like a Sunday park team at least a few times every match.
Maybe best not to judge anyone at Stoke in recent years.
Maybe some can back this up with stats but doesn't it feel that managers who get promoted from this league are usually in their first job or have come up from below? How many times does it work out a manager dropped down a league and then getting a team promoted? This isn't to say we shouldn't be looking at the names rumoured to be on the shortlist just I hope we aren't going for a name rather than ability.
Already been discussed on this thread. Generally yes, it’s early career coaches in the first or second jobs and/or seasons that have got clubs promoted.
Thanks, I skipped most as I assumed it was mostly screenshots of latest odds as usual.
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Not sure what any of that means or proves, but I wanted to look at it anyway.
means very little
I agree, and did say they're of limited value, but how much store gets placed on them in the selection process is an interesting one.
2. Neil
Not keen on Duff. Warnock feels weird.
He took things very well when @DOUCHER and me were getting very excited with their slide down the table.
Take away his stats with Hamilton and he's not too hot.
That's correct Gaffer.
Another pointless stat is possession.
Cafc had 75% possession at Burton away from home but still managed to lose 2-0 as we have a penchant for defending like a Sunday park team at least a few times every match.
Maybe best not to judge anyone at Stoke in recent years.