I think they should pay up for someone to take us until the end of the season , with a healthy survival bonus to make it worth their while , and then have a look again at the end of the season when we are a mid table team , having won a few games.
Looking for a long term manager at this stage . we could end up with Apples Mk2
Too much inexperience with the interims. Dangerous game.
JJ and Kevin Nugent did really well as caretakers/interims; Points total was impressive.
Andy Scott needs to offer the job to Warnock or Cooper just to the end of the season as Warnock likes to just work in short bursts now and Cooper can get a good Championship job in the summer or even Palace unfortunately still in the Premier for one more season until Eze and Olise move on up.
Big bonus needs to be dangled to who ever is mad enough to take on the challenge at Cafc.
I wouldnt be against Curbs until the end of the season to steady the ship and then take it from there. At least he has watched every game this season and knows the players
I genuinely feel that this team would do better without a manager than with one right now. The team is united at the moment, Appleton kept trying to push shit tactics onto them.
Been thinking about Fleming and his arrival 12 days ago is no coincidence in my eyes, particularly as him and Appleton have no history of working together.
So to me either
1 Fleming had been brought into club to potentially be an Appleton replacement and there’s been a fortnight of understanding the squad etc, The ‘interim’ phase is effectively a trial to see how it goes and if a positive reaction is gained next game or two, he keeps the job.
2. Or he had been catapulted in in advance for who is going to be the next manager, so that when he arrives, his right hand man is already in the building and they are not starting it cold?
Second one seems the most likely to me. I’m 99% it’s not the 3rd option, that he was genuinely brought in to assist Appleton and it’s all been a coincidence and lucky timing for him he finds himself in this position
Been thinking about Fleming and his arrival 12 days ago is no coincidence in my eyes, particularly as him and Appleton have no history of working together.
So to me either
1 Fleming had been brought into club to potentially be an Appleton replacement and there’s been a fortnight of understanding the squad etc, The ‘interim’ phase is effectively a trial to see how it goes and if a positive reaction is gained next game or two, he keeps the job.
2. Or he had been catapulted in in advance for who is going to be the next manager, so that when he arrives, his right hand man is already in the building and they are not starting it cold?
Second one seems the most likely to me. I’m 99% it’s not the 3rd option, that he was genuinely brought in to assist Appleton and it’s all been a coincidence and lucky timing for him he finds himself in this position
Fleming most recently worked with Nigel Pearson at Bristol City. Jason Euell has mentioned he’s happy to return. Euell worked with Pearson at Bristol City.
Nathan Jones is hopefully appointed and he speaks to Brighton about helping Scott or replacing him. I can’t say more but there’s a coincidence Luton have done so well after getting “help” from Brighton. Brighton rate jones very highly. Hopefully Charlie gets off his high horse and higher Jones and speak to Brighton for guidance.
Been thinking about Fleming and his arrival 12 days ago is no coincidence in my eyes, particularly as him and Appleton have no history of working together.
So to me either
1 Fleming had been brought into club to potentially be an Appleton replacement and there’s been a fortnight of understanding the squad etc, The ‘interim’ phase is effectively a trial to see how it goes and if a positive reaction is gained next game or two, he keeps the job.
2. Or he had been catapulted in in advance for who is going to be the next manager, so that when he arrives, his right hand man is already in the building and they are not starting it cold?
Second one seems the most likely to me. I’m 99% it’s not the 3rd option, that he was genuinely brought in to assist Appleton and it’s all been a coincidence and lucky timing for him he finds himself in this position
It’s a very valid observation because Flemings appointment was pretty much out of the blue. I’m going option 1. I’ll be quite surprised if we appoint anyone over Fleming unless the next few games are disastrous. Might be worth investing a tenner on him.
First I heard of Michael Duff was in Sept 2021 when I googled who the Cheltenham manager was after they ripped us to shreds in the first half of our home defeat to the newly promoted side.
Cant speak for the second half as we'd gone to the pub.
As much as we need a good coach who’s tactically aware, I feel more than anything we need a high character individual.
Someone who’ll set the tone, who can handle the emotional basket case this club is in recent years and who can motivate and focus the players to ignore the noise. We then need to prioritise recruiting players with similar character as much as possible as we have a culture/ mentality issue as much as anything at the club as a result of the ownership issues.
For those of you into the NFL think Dan Campbell and the Lions, obviously unlikely to find that type of personality in the EFL but Bowyer effectively did this to some extent in 2019 with similar problems at the club.
Not saying we rehire Bowyer either just that in these circumstances and in this league it works and can get more out of lesser players IMO. Particularly as I think we’re struggling to attract talent.
That is also not to say they can be incompetent tactically, and that we don’t need quality players, we obviously need to stop shipping goals.
But we need someone who can be a true leader of the club, the last few have not had that IMO, I don’t know enough about some of the candidates yet to know if they fit the bill or not tbh.
Duff had great success at Cheltenham and did well with Barnsley.
When his teams came to the Valley they were very well drilled and organised which is why I want him.
Flopped at Swansea but even Fergie got sacked once.
Relatively young and is available.
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Rowett is a former Charlton captain, did well at Birmingham until unfairly sacked and then did a good job with the Scottish club.
Doesn't play "exciting" football but I'll take winning over any fancy style of losing.
Won a promotion and took his last side to their highest finish in years. Currently between jobs. Knows Curbs and Brownie so could get their views, not just Scott and Rodwell's. Supposedly wanted to move back up north but not sure how true that is.
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Nathan Jones was a success as our U21 coach and did very well for Luton but had bad spells at Stoke and Southampton. A high risk option and has had made strange comments in the media.
First name linked on social media.
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Nigel Pearson would be a "safe pair of hands". Very experienced with some successes but also failures, most recently at Bristol City where Jason Euell was his coach. Also worked with Curtis Fleming. Had a recent illness so probably not one for now.
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Graham Potter or Steve Cooper..oh come on, be serious.
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Chris Powell, club legend and was said to have agreed to come in to help Holden but then turned down an interim role when Dean was sacked. Now a number two at Sheffield Wednesday but might fancy coming back to London.
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Jason Pearce was the last interim and might be again, maybe to the end of the season. Definitely wants to be a manager but doesn't seem in a rush having seen others crash and burn having taken jobs too early.
Caretaker again with Fleming.
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Curtis Fleming is a very experienced coach but has no management experience outside a year in India but would be in pole position for caretaker being a Scott, rather than Appleton, appointment.
Now caretaker.
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John Eustace took over from Lee Bowyer at Birmingham and did well with them, keeping them up and getting them to the fringes of the play-offs, albeit very early in the season. Reputation has probably been boosted by being unfairly sacked so the owners could have a "big name" manager in Wayne Rooney. Has done his time as assistant as QPR among others so maybe not be adverse to working in the capital.
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Lee Bowyer proved he could build a promotion side at Charlton and he was very good at changing things during games when required. Seen as a motivator but also as a harsh, critical "old school" type manager that perhaps doesn't go down well with a new generation of players.
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Mark Bonner did fairly well at Cambridge on a tight budget, young coach, out of work. Similar track record to Duff at Cheltenham in league 1. Got a tune out of McGrandles and Jones. (shamelessly stolen from Brazilance)
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Jon Brady.
Never heard of him but has done a very good job with Northampton
Rowett stand out in that list. Would keep us up and get us up next year. Has the Charlton connection and if he turns out badly we can call him Millwall and bin him without a seconds thought.
Powelly is the one man who could come in, immediately get the fans inside, sort the morale of the squad, maybe persuade some to stay on (Kanu, Campbell, Dobbo etc) in the summer and turn a sinking ship... But it took him half a season of losing to figure his way for the next season and we don't have that this year so not without risk.
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Looking for a long term manager at this stage . we could end up with Apples Mk2
We can't afford the translator 🗣️
Bielsa would be a good choice as he plays attacking football and does his own spying on the Opposition 🔭
Certainly agree with your first sentence (not suggesting that you've been inside
FFS Paul Ince this would be a disaster
We need an experienced manager to get us to safety.
Euell is one for the future.
JJ and Kevin Nugent did really well as caretakers/interims; Points total was impressive.
Andy Scott needs to offer the job to Warnock or Cooper just to the end of the season as Warnock likes to just work in short bursts now and Cooper can get a good Championship job in the summer or even Palace unfortunately still in the Premier for one more season until Eze and Olise move on up.
Big bonus needs to be dangled to who ever is mad enough to take on the challenge at Cafc.
The terrible thing is you wouldn't put it past this bunch.
So to me either
1 Fleming had been brought into club to potentially be an Appleton replacement and there’s been a fortnight of understanding the squad etc, The ‘interim’ phase is effectively a trial to see how it goes and if a positive reaction is gained next game or two, he keeps the job.
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Cant speak for the second half as we'd gone to the pub.
He would be my choice.
As much as we need a good coach who’s tactically aware, I feel more than anything we need a high character individual.
Someone who’ll set the tone, who can handle the emotional basket case this club is in recent years and who can motivate and focus the players to ignore the noise. We then need to prioritise recruiting players with similar character as much as possible as we have a culture/ mentality issue as much as anything at the club as a result of the ownership issues.
For those of you into the NFL think Dan Campbell and the Lions, obviously unlikely to find that type of personality in the EFL but Bowyer effectively did this to some extent in 2019 with similar problems at the club.
Not saying we rehire Bowyer either just that in these circumstances and in this league it works and can get more out of lesser players IMO. Particularly as I think we’re struggling to attract talent.
That is also not to say they can be incompetent tactically, and that we don’t need quality players, we obviously need to stop shipping goals.
But we need someone who can be a true leader of the club, the last few have not had that IMO, I don’t know enough about some of the candidates yet to know if they fit the bill or not tbh.
Powelly is the one man who could come in, immediately get the fans inside, sort the morale of the squad, maybe persuade some to stay on (Kanu, Campbell, Dobbo etc) in the summer and turn a sinking ship... But it took him half a season of losing to figure his way for the next season and we don't have that this year so not without risk.
Then Rowett and Jones.