Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
They can't say with a view to a permanent deal because when his loan ends he will no longer be Sheffield Wednesday's player to sell.
But it's pretty obvious a player coming on loan in the last 6 months of his contract is with a view to being a permanent signing. It's effectively a trial. If he's shit we've not lost anything, if he's good we will try and sign him.
Or it's a cheap option compared to spending actual money on better players. if you are a conspiracy theorist.
It's the 5 Jan and we've already had bids in for Coventry, JCH and Gillesphey.
I understand the wider frustration with things but i really don't see why you're knocking a loan signing who is 25, local, good experience in this division with clubs who were promoted and could potentially sign for us in the summer.
Bids they know won't be enough. It's all a f******g nonsense
“Elsewhere, we understand Charlton Athletic, another of the clubs keen on El Mizouni in the summer, have joined Oxford in showing interest in former Blues forward Armando Dobra, now with Chesterfield.
The Albanian U21 international’s contract with Town was terminated by mutual consent in the summer of 2022.”
Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now. We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.
We were told we would be going for permanent signings. He isn't.
Why am I happy about being lied to?
But each to their own.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers......
They can't say with a view to a permanent deal because when his loan ends he will no longer be Sheffield Wednesday's player to sell.
But it's pretty obvious a player coming on loan in the last 6 months of his contract is with a view to being a permanent signing. It's effectively a trial. If he's shit we've not lost anything, if he's good we will try and sign him.
Or it's a cheap option compared to spending actual money on better players. if you are a conspiracy theorist.
It's the 5 Jan and we've already had bids in for Coventry, JCH and Gillesphey.
I understand the wider frustration with things but i really don't see why you're knocking a loan signing who is 25, local, good experience in this division with clubs who were promoted and could potentially sign for us in the summer.
Bids they know won't be enough. It's all a f******g nonsense
You must be salesman’s dream if you pay whatever they say somethings worth.
A good mate who is a Bristol City season ticket holder on Bakinson:
You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one
Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well
And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!
If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
A good mate who is a Bristol City season ticket holder on Bakinson:
You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one
Was that taken from Andy Scott's browser search history?
Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well
And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!
If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
The bad attitude comments The goes missing comments The inconsistent comments
Sadly he's not encouraging me
We need influential footballers People with the right attitude People with something to prove
Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.
Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well
And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!
If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
The bad attitude comments The goes missing comments The inconsistent comments
Sadly he's not encouraging me
We need influential footballers People with the right attitude People with something to prove
Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.
That concerns me
Agreed. It sounds like no lessons have been learnt to me.
Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well
And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!
If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
The bad attitude comments The goes missing comments The inconsistent comments
Sadly he's not encouraging me
We need influential footballers People with the right attitude People with something to prove
Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.
That concerns me
Sure, but then Watson is inconsistent and goes missing. I think if we swap a loan player who Appleton doesn't want to play for one he does then that's an improvement no matter what. The fact he's a loan means at the very least the manager has got what he wants and can then either improve or continue to fail, at which point Bakinson can be retained after doing well or waved off after failing. I'm ok with Bakinson as an immediate player in to plug the massive, massive gap we have in our midfield before we can get longer term targets in this month. We're losing Watson, McGrandles is still out, Anderson isn't ready, we're left with Fraser alongside Dobson letting teams line up 35 yarders with no pressure on the ball and we haven't won in about 10,000 years. Quick loan of a massive defensive shield so we can not be 6 points off the drop anymore and then hopefully bring in Coventry and/or another good midfielder on permanents works for me. I cannot watch our midfield be like this for even another game, it's killing me.
If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.
I think if they both leave now we could go down.
First we got no chance of going down second Dobson will stay he not interested in leaving as his dad confirmed CBT not bothered ( turning out to be biggest overrated player we ever seen ) we can do much better like CJ Hamilton ..
What fucking planet are you on? We've every chance of going down as it stands, we're just 6 points above the zone. We have no god given right to avoid it...we need players in the door ASAP, or trouble will be heading our way! CBT, you've never liked him, God knows why, he scores goals, is quick and provides assists, yes he needs to do more, but biggest overrated player we've ever seen is just wrong. I can think of loads more in my 63 yrs of supporting this club!
A good mate who is a Bristol City season ticket holder on Bakinson:
You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one
If he rocks up and says ‘mate’ to anyone ….. fuck that shit. Overfamiliar - out the door.
Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well
And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!
If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
The bad attitude comments The goes missing comments The inconsistent comments
Sadly he's not encouraging me
We need influential footballers People with the right attitude People with something to prove
Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.
That concerns me
Sure, but then Watson is inconsistent and goes missing. I think if we swap a loan player who Appleton doesn't want to play for one he does then that's an improvement no matter what. The fact he's a loan means at the very least the manager has got what he wants and can then either improve or continue to fail, at which point Bakinson can be retained after doing well or waved off after failing. I'm ok with Bakinson as an immediate player in to plug the massive, massive gap we have in our midfield before we can get longer term targets in this month. We're losing Watson, McGrandles is still out, Anderson isn't ready, we're left with Fraser alongside Dobson letting teams line up 35 yarders with no pressure on the ball and we haven't won in about 10,000 years. Quick loan of a massive defensive shield so we can not be 6 points off the drop anymore and then hopefully bring in Coventry and/or another good midfielder on permanents works for me. I cannot watch our midfield be like this for even another game, it's killing me.
I'd rather somebody better That's all It's nearly 5pm Friday It's not announced If it doesn't go through in time to play tomorrow, let's see what next week could bring
Still have a back 5 that can't keep a elean sheet and no fit senior striker.
I'd assume the second is Gillesphey and not Fiorini. Would be odd if it wasn't Gillesphey given it's been on the cards all week.
We can always stretcher him on at Port Vale if his zimmer frame is not available.
He would still be quicker than Hector.
Does him being quicker necessarily make him ‘better than’ Hector, how does that add up? One of the best central defenders ever to play for us was Jorge Costa…..but you couldn’t say he was particularly quick, he just used his brain and experience, plus he knew all the shortcuts. Incidentally, Hector has arguably been our most decent player for the last month or so…..according to players marks that is……..and I wouldn’t argue with that.
would imagine we want to change either the price/the structure due to something in the medical in that case
Or we are lowballing them Nobody knows Except he was at the club last weekend and we've not signed him in time to help arguably the worst defence in division 3.....
Or the negotiations could be with him/his agent over his potential wage rather than a transfer fee which we all presumed had been agreed.
The fact that their DOF says “it’s at Charlton’s end” could either mean Plymouth are waiting for another offer from us, or they’re waiting to hear if the player is going to sign with us or not.
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It's all a f******g nonsense
The Albanian U21 international’s contract with Town was terminated by mutual consent in the summer of 2022.”
Have we signed anyone yet
Have we signed anyone yet
Have we signed anyone yet
Have we signed anyone yet
Are we all in the back of the CL 🚙
You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one
The goes missing comments
The inconsistent comments
Sadly he's not encouraging me
We need influential footballers
People with the right attitude
People with something to prove
Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.
That concerns me
CBT, you've never liked him, God knows why, he scores goals, is quick and provides assists, yes he needs to do more, but biggest overrated player we've ever seen is just wrong. I can think of loads more in my 63 yrs of supporting this club!
Another loan. Wow. These new owners are really pulling out all the stops.
Bet we don’t end up with JCH or Coventry.
If he rocks up and says ‘mate’ to anyone ….. fuck that shit. Overfamiliar - out the door.
That's all
It's nearly 5pm Friday
It's not announced
If it doesn't go through in time to play tomorrow, let's see what next week could bring
Still have a back 5 that can't keep a elean sheet and no fit senior striker.
Therein lies our REAL problems
One of the best central defenders ever to play for us was Jorge Costa…..but you couldn’t say he was particularly quick, he just used his brain and experience, plus he knew all the shortcuts.
Incidentally, Hector has arguably been our most decent
player for the last month or so…..according to players marks that is……..and I wouldn’t argue with that.
Nobody knows
Except he was at the club last weekend and we've not signed him in time to help arguably the worst defence in division 3.....