This is a rare time I'm actually going to agree with Barry Frys position on something. If JCH wants to play silly games over wages then just walk away.
I'm not a contract expert. However, Peterborough risk losing him for nothing in the summer and Charlton want the player. Why not try and renegotiate? Posh get £350k and JCH gets a £150k signing fee. That's essentially an extra £2.8k p/w for the first year.
Not with two weeks left of the window. Peterborough will stand firm a while yet.
I thought we had already given him a deadline of last week anyway, so tell him to do one, and move on to someone who actually wants to play for us, can't waste any more time waffling about with that loser...🙄
Maybe we're hanging onto him with Hector being out for 10 weeks just in case we fail to get another defender in
Would rather play Asiimwe at RB and Elerewe at CB. Honestly think he gives us nothing except more depth incase Ness, Jones & Gillesphey all get injuries at the same time within 10 weeks.
Elerewe we’d need to have a proper look at. He looked ok in a couple of early games. Then didn’t.
Hector was our in form defender over the last ten games, until the injury. And recent form matters. But who knows how he’ll get over his injury. He’d hardly been injured in his career before, so no previous examples of recovery times etc. He’s a Championship winning defender. You could see evidence of that in recent games, if not in earlier games.
Agree that Abankwah didn’t look good enough, even as cover.
Ness looked great, got injured, then didn’t when he came back. But he seems to be improving again, so I feel the club might want to stick with him to see how he does for a few games. But I would be pleased if they bought in another quality CB with more experience, as Jones hasn’t looked good recently, and Ness might struggle against the better teams (although didn’t against Peterborough).
And Gillesphey should be ok based on his record, but will need games to prove that.
That is Barry Fry peddling the Peterboro family line of being in it for themselves. They want the cash so would have said that even if we’d offered him a fiver and a packet of crisps.
Peterborough will get nothing after the end the window, so our position becomes stronger the later we get into the window.
I think I’d rather the Cheltenham player and then money for another personally.
I thought we had already given him a deadline of last week anyway, so tell him to do one, and move on to someone who actually wants to play for us, can't waste any more time waffling about with that loser...🙄
Last offer was last week, Barry Fry interview could have been last week, or he is just simply referring to last week.
I'd rather we get a very decent loan centre forward/s in and revisit the market in the summer. Forget Goodwin and JCH, Cheltenham would be mad to let Goodwin go and JCH is looking to get a sky high wage in the autumn of his career. I can't knock either party in their stance but I'd rather Charlton were not held to ransom in this window, finding alternatives won't be easy though.
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed, Dobson Coventry Bakinson is the sort of midfield 3 you'd only play in tough away games where you're trying to park the bus.
A player like Coventry (who has been compared to Cullen) should be well capable of offering at least a bit of creativity. After all, who got the assist for our winner at Wembley in 2019?
I'm not a contract expert. However, Peterborough risk losing him for nothing in the summer and Charlton want the player. Why not try and renegotiate? Posh get £350k and JCH gets a £150k signing fee. That's essentially an extra £2.8k p/w for the first year.
Not with two weeks left of the window. Peterborough will stand firm a while yet.
Stand firm and hope for what exactly? No club is going to better our offer as they already know what Peterborough accepted.
Local rag says “Clarke-Harris who has been unable to break back into a Posh team based on youth, pace and technical excellence“
So old cart horse, with limited ability?
Ironic considering if JCH was playing, they probably would have beaten us more comfortably as sometimes they were missing a physical presence.
If he had a longer term contract there, he'd still he starting I imagine, they've just sensibly built a team for life without him and kept an asset safe.
They're trying to talk JCH into leaving so he doesn't go on a free, I'd see if they'd be willing to lower their valuation and see if that can be used on him.
I'd like to know Coventrys wage and how it fairs against what would be a classed as a 'top level League One player'
As so far, two of our key assets aren't signing up and one who seems to be there for the taking, thinks the offer isn't high enough, which seems odd as he has played for Rotherham, Bristol Rovers, Coventry and Peterborough in recent years. This isn't a player who has a history of being on high wages, and I doubt a championship club will pay him a fortune, or it would have already happened last season.
Already we have fans saying that they don't want players who break a wage structure and turning on players essentially. Yet none of us know what kind of wages we pay or offer for certain.
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
If that's our team we are looking at mid table again, especially if Appleton stays I reckon.
We need a top centre back, two wing backs who can actually attack and track back, a midfielder who can create and then a proven striker to play with May, to me Goodwin would be a bit of a gamble still.
Edun, Watson, Goodwin and Ness all certainly make decent bench options for me though.
I'd rather we get a very decent loan centre forward/s in and revisit the market in the summer. Forget Goodwin and JCH, Cheltenham would be mad to let Goodwin go and JCH is looking to get a sky high wage in the autumn of his career. I can't knock either party in their stance but I'd rather Charlton were not held to ransom in this window, finding alternatives won't be easy though.
Politely disagree. I freely confess I know almost nothing about Goodwin, but I'm happy to go with reports. Whatever, it would be nice to start building for next season now, so if we can get him in and be looking for a JCH type striker without the need to pay whatever crazy deal the striker is asking for, it sounds like a good start. I have no problem with JCH wanting a decent last contract, but if he's going to play silly buggers and possibly leave us high and dry at the end of the month, I'd go fro Goodwin and wish JCH a long and happy career.
Peterborough are desperate for JCH to leave as they need the money hence Barry Frys comments with the new contract contract offer and the finances in football. The last thing that they want is their biggest earner sitting in the stands, and leaving at the end of the season for nothing, JCH is holding all the cards.
Shame we're not getting JCH but I have to say I'm finding it really funny how pissed off Peterborough are about the whole thing. They did all their 'we're not taking a small fee' posturing and now they're having a proper go at him in the media for not going while we're staying quiet about it. The best thing that could happen now is that he changes his mind at the end of the window and we leverage that to renegotiate the fee just to see if we can annoy them a bit more
Does this whole JCH offer show we’re being a little naive in the transfer market. It looks from the outside an absolute cert JCH wouldn’t be signing for anybody this window. Why would he when a signing on fee and a possibility of much higher wages awaits him in the Summer. He may go out on loan for the rest of the season as Posh try and save some money on his wages. That won’t be us because we’ve nothing to play for apart from avoiding relegation.
Good ol Bazza. “The money ain’t there no more in football lad” discussing a player someone has bid over half a million pounds for despite him having just 5 months left on his contract!
I'm not a contract expert. However, Peterborough risk losing him for nothing in the summer and Charlton want the player. Why not try and renegotiate? Posh get £350k and JCH gets a £150k signing fee. That's essentially an extra £2.8k p/w for the first year.
Not with two weeks left of the window. Peterborough will stand firm a while yet.
Stand firm and hope for what exactly? No club is going to better our offer as they already know what Peterborough accepted.
Things change. Players get injured and players get sold who you hadn’t necessarily planned for losing. Two weeks could change requirements and priorities for any number of teams. I’m not saying another club will or won’t come in for JCH but they might and two weeks is a long time. Peterborough will want a sale so things might change with them also.
Shame we're not getting JCH but I have to say I'm finding it really funny how pissed off Peterborough are about the whole thing. They did all their 'we're not taking a small fee' posturing and now they're having a proper go at him in the media for not going while we're staying quiet about it. The best thing that could happen now is that he changes his mind at the end of the window and we leverage that to renegotiate the fee just to see if we can annoy them a bit more
Yeah they're very good at holding on to players when it suits them for a decent fee
On the other hand they come across as bloody petulant (am sure a lot of clubs do) when a player wont get off their wage list... You notice on the other hand how we quietly we went about terminating Charlie Kirk's contract, rather than verbally trying to force him to move this month for example, different scenario I know though
They signed Ricky Miller from Dover a few years ago, which didnt work out, and they got really frustrated with him, when they kept failing to move him on
I'd rather we get a very decent loan centre forward/s in and revisit the market in the summer. Forget Goodwin and JCH, Cheltenham would be mad to let Goodwin go and JCH is looking to get a sky high wage in the autumn of his career. I can't knock either party in their stance but I'd rather Charlton were not held to ransom in this window, finding alternatives won't be easy though.
Yes, we'd be daft to buy a pig in a poke........ that's not unknown in Charlton history of course but the striker for the long term might not be gettable in this window. A loan would be a sensible stop gap. Perhaps later in January we'll be more attractive to a Championship striker looking for a loan to put him in the shop window.
Shame we're not getting JCH but I have to say I'm finding it really funny how pissed off Peterborough are about the whole thing. They did all their 'we're not taking a small fee' posturing and now they're having a proper go at him in the media for not going while we're staying quiet about it. The best thing that could happen now is that he changes his mind at the end of the window and we leverage that to renegotiate the fee just to see if we can annoy them a bit more
Agree. Obviously I'm a little sad we're not getting JCH, but the fact 'DMac' is gonna end up with egg on his face after acting all Billy Big Bananas, will go some way to making up for it.
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I thought we had already given him a deadline of last week anyway, so tell him to do one, and move on to someone who actually wants to play for us, can't waste any more time waffling about with that loser...🙄
But I would be pleased if they bought in another quality CB with more experience, as Jones hasn’t looked good recently, and Ness might struggle against the better teams (although didn’t against Peterborough).
Been four days now.
So old cart horse, with limited ability?
Lucky escape I think.
If he had a longer term contract there, he'd still he starting I imagine, they've just sensibly built a team for life without him and kept an asset safe.
They're trying to talk JCH into leaving so he doesn't go on a free, I'd see if they'd be willing to lower their valuation and see if that can be used on him.
I'd like to know Coventrys wage and how it fairs against what would be a classed as a 'top level League One player'
As so far, two of our key assets aren't signing up and one who seems to be there for the taking, thinks the offer isn't high enough, which seems odd as he has played for Rotherham, Bristol Rovers, Coventry and Peterborough in recent years. This isn't a player who has a history of being on high wages, and I doubt a championship club will pay him a fortune, or it would have already happened last season.
Already we have fans saying that they don't want players who break a wage structure and turning on players essentially. Yet none of us know what kind of wages we pay or offer for certain.
Still have my doubts here certainly.
You can give me your details mate, and I can make a transfer..
...you can trust me😎
We need a top centre back, two wing backs who can actually attack and track back, a midfielder who can create and then a proven striker to play with May, to me Goodwin would be a bit of a gamble still.
Edun, Watson, Goodwin and Ness all certainly make decent bench options for me though.
I have no problem with JCH wanting a decent last contract, but if he's going to play silly buggers and possibly leave us high and dry at the end of the month, I'd go fro Goodwin and wish JCH a long and happy career.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/peterborough-united-striker-turns-down-second-bid-from-charlton-athletic/
On the other hand they come across as bloody petulant (am sure a lot of clubs do) when a player wont get off their wage list... You notice on the other hand how we quietly we went about terminating Charlie Kirk's contract, rather than verbally trying to force him to move this month for example, different scenario I know though
They signed Ricky Miller from Dover a few years ago, which didnt work out, and they got really frustrated with him, when they kept failing to move him on
Ricky Miller: Peterborough United owner Darragh MacAnthony urges striker to leave - BBC Sport
Perhaps later in January we'll be more attractive to a Championship striker looking for a loan to put him in the shop window.