If Goodwin lives in the Cheltenham area, he’s only just over40 miles and an hour from Oxford which obviates the need for him to up sticks and given their top six position could sway it in their favour.
Oxford have offered more for Goodwin than us according to another forum.
Not correct - if you are going to quote from ITTV at least quote it right
Well he did say we had met Cheltenham's valuation. Bit of backtracking on that since.
Almost like the person on that forum responsible for the comment is talking nonsense again...best to ignore him I'd say.
To be fair, he's been ahead of the Cheltenham journalist and Cawley on our interest in Goodwin so in this case I don't think it's fair to say he's talking nonsense on this one. The specifics might not be there but he's definitely got a good source on it.
Wot's happened to the goalkeeper who was having a medical, off?
Just like every other transfer ever, there's more to it than just "here's your contract, sign here, jump up and down a bit and you're ours" it's not a 30 minute process.
Patience is a virtue Martin, you can't be a very virtuous man
Patience, that's a girls name ain't it?
Who you calling a big girls blouse, outside and put yer dukes up!;)
If Goodwin lives in the Cheltenham area, he’s only just over40 miles and an hour from Oxford which obviates the need for him to up sticks and given their top six position could sway it in their favour.
"Obviates", the word of the day
I aim to please Elfy and glad I’ve brought a ray of sunshine into your day 😉
If Goodwin lives in the Cheltenham area, he’s only just over40 miles and an hour from Oxford which obviates the need for him to up sticks and given their top six position could sway it in their favour.
"Obviates", the word of the day
I aim to please Elfy and glad I’ve brought a ray of sunshine into your day 😉
I'd rather we get a very decent loan centre forward/s in and revisit the market in the summer. Forget Goodwin and JCH, Cheltenham would be mad to let Goodwin go and JCH is looking to get a sky high wage in the autumn of his career. I can't knock either party in their stance but I'd rather Charlton were not held to ransom in this window, finding alternatives won't be easy though.
Politely disagree. I freely confess I know almost nothing about Goodwin, but I'm happy to go with reports. Whatever, it would be nice to start building for next season now, so if we can get him in and be looking for a JCH type striker without the need to pay whatever crazy deal the striker is asking for, it sounds like a good start. I have no problem with JCH wanting a decent last contract, but if he's going to play silly buggers and possibly leave us high and dry at the end of the month, I'd go fro Goodwin and wish JCH a long and happy career.
You might be right Ken, I certainly would steer clear of Clarke Harris though.
Andy Scott might need to go see Mr. Goodwin in person and convince him that Charlton is the place to be, as he did with Mr. Coventry.
Word in the covered end on Saturday was no deal had been agreed with Sheff Wed. We agreed 50% sell on fee with West Ham, which Sheff Wed didn't agree to, and that's what landed him.
Wot's happened to the goalkeeper who was having a medical, off?
Just like every other transfer ever, there's more to it than just "here's your contract, sign here, jump up and down a bit and you're ours" it's not a 30 minute process.
Patience is a virtue Martin, you can't be a very virtuous man
Patience, that's a girls name ain't it?
Who you calling a big girls blouse, outside and put yer dukes up!;)
Andy Scott might need to go see Mr. Goodwin in person and convince him that Charlton is the place to be, as he did with Mr. Coventry.
Word in the covered end on Saturday was no deal had been agreed with Sheff Wed. We agreed 50% sell on fee with West Ham, which Sheff Wed didn't agree to, and that's what landed him.
Still, Coventry could've kicked up a stink and said he isn't leaving, like JCH has done.
Players need to be convinced sometimes, whether it's Charlton v Oxford or Charlton v running down your contract
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of that
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of that
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:
-----------Isted
----NEW Jones Gillesphey
Tennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo
---------May Fiorini
-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,
Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injury
Wot's happened to the goalkeeper who was having a medical, off?
Just like every other transfer ever, there's more to it than just "here's your contract, sign here, jump up and down a bit and you're ours" it's not a 30 minute process.
Patience is a virtue Martin, you can't be a very virtuous man
Patience, that's a girls name ain't it?
Who you calling a big girls blouse, outside and put yer dukes up!;)
My view, Sam wins with a first round knock out!
Yeah but you ain't taken into account the horseshoe I've got in me boxing glove!
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of that
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:
-----------Isted
----NEW Jones Gillesphey
Tennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo
---------May Fiorini
-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,
Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injury
Alternative WB: Asiimwe, Tyreece
Alternative DM: Taylor, McGrandles
Alternative AM: Camara, Louie Watson
Alternative CF: Leaburn, Chuks
Think you are right there, but I would suspect we will move away from the 3-4-2-1 and to more of a 3-1-4-2 that we saw second half.
Appleton commented on Bakinson being better second half when he was further forward so I think we will have 1 holding mid and two 8s from now on hopefully, and then 2 strikers
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)
Andy Scott might need to go see Mr. Goodwin in person and convince him that Charlton is the place to be, as he did with Mr. Coventry.
Word in the covered end on Saturday was no deal had been agreed with Sheff Wed. We agreed 50% sell on fee with West Ham, which Sheff Wed didn't agree to, and that's what landed him.
Still had to convince the player to drop down to League 1, with the likelihood he will be a league 1 player for at least 18 months.
West Ham have done well with the deal if true. He would have gone for free in the summer anyway, this way they potentially benefit in the future and don’t have to pay his wages for the next few months.
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of that
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:
-----------Isted
----NEW Jones Gillesphey
Tennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo
---------May Fiorini
-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,
Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injury
Alternative WB: Asiimwe, Tyreece
Alternative DM: Taylor, McGrandles
Alternative AM: Camara, Louie Watson
Alternative CF: Leaburn, Chuks
Think you are right there, but I would suspect we will move away from the 3-4-2-1 and to more of a 3-1-4-2 that we saw second half.
Appleton commented on Bakinson being better second half when he was further forward so I think we will have 1 holding mid and two 8s from now on hopefully, and then 2 strikers
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)
Playing in a 10 behind the front 2 is exactly where Fraser wants to play, where he had his best stint of his career (MK Dons) and hasn’t played since joining us.
I wouldn’t be worried if he left, but his ideal position could now become a reality at Charlton…
Andy Scott might need to go see Mr. Goodwin in person and convince him that Charlton is the place to be, as he did with Mr. Coventry.
Word in the covered end on Saturday was no deal had been agreed with Sheff Wed. We agreed 50% sell on fee with West Ham, which Sheff Wed didn't agree to, and that's what landed him.
Still had to convince the player to drop down to League 1, with the likelihood he will be a league 1 player for at least 18 months.
West Ham have done well with the deal if true. He would have gone for free in the summer anyway, this way they potentially benefit in the future and don’t have to pay his wages for the next few months.
Would he have gone for free in the summer? I thought he was still under contract till summer of 2025? If not I’m sure West Ham would have offered him a new deal to ensure they got a development fee for him.
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of that
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:
-----------Isted
----NEW Jones Gillesphey
Tennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo
---------May Fiorini
-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,
Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injury
Alternative WB: Asiimwe, Tyreece
Alternative DM: Taylor, McGrandles
Alternative AM: Camara, Louie Watson
Alternative CF: Leaburn, Chuks
Think you are right there, but I would suspect we will move away from the 3-4-2-1 and to more of a 3-1-4-2 that we saw second half.
Appleton commented on Bakinson being better second half when he was further forward so I think we will have 1 holding mid and two 8s from now on hopefully, and then 2 strikers
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)
Playing in a 10 behind the front 2 is exactly where Fraser wants to play, where he had his best stint of his career (MK Dons) and hasn’t played since joining us.
I wouldn’t be worried if he left, but his ideal position could now become a reality at Charlton…
He played there for us last season & scored 9 goals.
Definitely better as an attacking midfielder than in the deep role he has played this season (that has delivered 0 goals).
So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of that
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:
-----------Isted
----NEW Jones Gillesphey
Tennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo
---------May Fiorini
-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,
Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injury
Alternative WB: Asiimwe, Tyreece
Alternative DM: Taylor, McGrandles
Alternative AM: Camara, Louie Watson
Alternative CF: Leaburn, Chuks
Think you are right there, but I would suspect we will move away from the 3-4-2-1 and to more of a 3-1-4-2 that we saw second half.
Appleton commented on Bakinson being better second half when he was further forward so I think we will have 1 holding mid and two 8s from now on hopefully, and then 2 strikers
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)
Playing in a 10 behind the front 2 is exactly where Fraser wants to play, where he had his best stint of his career (MK Dons) and hasn’t played since joining us.
I wouldn’t be worried if he left, but his ideal position could now become a reality at Charlton…
He played there for us last season & scored 9 goals.
Definitely better as an attacking midfielder than in the deep role he has played this season (that has delivered 0 goals).
9 goals and 5 assists under Holden Fuck all under Appleshit.
A decent manager knows how to get the best out of his players
Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.
Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.
Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?
Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.
Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?
That’s a big “if” because it is obviously a ludicrous idea, that Dobbo would actually go there; and a “good” agent would not need to resort to such tactics on behalf of such a good player whom Curbs among others thinks is well capable of playing in the Championship.
Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.
Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
I mean ok, I'll bite as I had a friend who was an agent to the likes of Dorian Devite, Eboue and others some years ago. He was a very decent chap and a very successful Partner in a law firm (nothing to do with football originally).
He loved his football and would have given his clients all the right advice. Doesn't mean he wouldn't move them from a club or ask for big wages for his clients as ultimately he worked for them, not the club.
I very much doubt he would have ever come up with a bullshit storey of a Hungarian club in a situation like this.
So, yes, there are decent agents who work for their customers (the players); just like every walk of life you get all sorts. I won't name my friend, it's not relevant and sadly he is not with us any more.
You ask what good things he might have done; well as a lawyer he would negotiate their contracts, read the small print, ensure the players rights were protected; ensure they got the best deal possible. He would arrange nutritionists to advice the players; he even helped one or two of them but cars and things. Always amazed me how little some of his players knew about real life and he protected them to an extent. I think clubs have generally improved in that regard in more recent years but it wasn't always like that.
I did also meet another agent, total other end of the spectrum; complete arsehole, likely on the take from his players and utterly untrustworthy. The fella had bought a Scottish title for a few quid on eBay and actually insisted on using "Lord" on business cards and the like!
I thought you were in recruitment, it's pretty similar in that you will get plenty of recruiters purely in it for themselves; of the very many headhunters I have come across; not a single one has ever said to me, "are you sure this is the right career move for you", or told me to see if I can get my existing employer to pay me the same so I don't need to move job.
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Who you calling a big girls blouse, outside and put yer dukes up!;)
Mind, as someone else said our league position isn't exactly enticing.
Players need to be convinced sometimes, whether it's Charlton v Oxford or Charlton v running down your contract
Alternative GK: AMB,
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)
Calm down leuth
Definitely better as an attacking midfielder than in the deep role he has played this season (that has delivered 0 goals).
Fuck all under Appleshit.
A decent manager knows how to get the best out of his players
I mean ok, I'll bite as I had a friend who was an agent to the likes of Dorian Devite, Eboue and others some years ago. He was a very decent chap and a very successful Partner in a law firm (nothing to do with football originally).
He loved his football and would have given his clients all the right advice. Doesn't mean he wouldn't move them from a club or ask for big wages for his clients as ultimately he worked for them, not the club.
I very much doubt he would have ever come up with a bullshit storey of a Hungarian club in a situation like this.
So, yes, there are decent agents who work for their customers (the players); just like every walk of life you get all sorts. I won't name my friend, it's not relevant and sadly he is not with us any more.
You ask what good things he might have done; well as a lawyer he would negotiate their contracts, read the small print, ensure the players rights were protected; ensure they got the best deal possible. He would arrange nutritionists to advice the players; he even helped one or two of them but cars and things. Always amazed me how little some of his players knew about real life and he protected them to an extent. I think clubs have generally improved in that regard in more recent years but it wasn't always like that.
I did also meet another agent, total other end of the spectrum; complete arsehole, likely on the take from his players and utterly untrustworthy. The fella had bought a Scottish title for a few quid on eBay and actually insisted on using "Lord" on business cards and the like!
I thought you were in recruitment, it's pretty similar in that you will get plenty of recruiters purely in it for themselves; of the very many headhunters I have come across; not a single one has ever said to me, "are you sure this is the right career move for you", or told me to see if I can get my existing employer to pay me the same so I don't need to move job.