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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)

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    sam3110 said:
    Over the last little while we've all heard AS, MA & CM variously talking about getting out of League 1 (not necessarily this season) and improving the squad by trying to keep the talent we already have, by signing players to alleviate the frailties everyone knows we have and by bringing in permanent and loan signings who improve what we currently have.

    Everyone has been here long enough to know what's needed and to identify potential targets and make beneficial things happen. 

    Simplistically put, to make us more competitive, the Board have to do a great job on the financial side, AS & MA on re-signings and recruitment and MA on upgrading the attitude and ability of the squad he has to work with.

    None of them has anything to prove to me in the New Year, I'll be happy if I see and think they've done a good job in beginning to achieve what they have said they're here for.

    I'd like to hear it too from the horse's mouth too....... in one of his pods CM says something like one of the responsibilities of the Board is to clearly communicate the strategy and what's going on to the fanbase. It would be great to properly hear and understand their perspective post January.
    I think that's what we're getting with the monthly report from Andy Scott to be honest, it's very clear he's the spokesperson for the board as a whole 
    Yes, I agree with you but would add that it would be great if he/they could go into some depth. I think they can do it without hurting people's privacy or giving any business secrets away.

    For example, what is happening to sharpen up our recruitment of permanent players and loanees, the geography we have scouted in the past and will scout in the future.

    They could put more meat on the bones of what we're trying to achieve with the new appointments in say developing the academy players as they move towards the first team squad or what the new Director of Performance will be looking to improve and how he's going to do it. 

    I don't need a half hour powerpoint or anything but a few minutes once a month or so and touching briefly on a few items doesn't do it for me, I want more. 

    With these things and more there's a lot of opportunity to draw us all closer to the club and in the end it surely can't hurt revenue if that were to happen.


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    Over the last little while we've all heard AS, MA & CM variously talking about getting out of League 1 (not necessarily this season) and improving the squad by trying to keep the talent we already have, by signing players to alleviate the frailties everyone knows we have and by bringing in permanent and loan signings who improve what we currently have.

    Everyone has been here long enough to know what's needed and to identify potential targets and make beneficial things happen. 

    Simplistically put, to make us more competitive, the Board have to do a great job on the financial side, AS & MA on re-signings and recruitment and MA on upgrading the attitude and ability of the squad he has to work with.

    None of them has anything to prove to me in the New Year, I'll be happy if I see and think they've done a good job in beginning to achieve what they have said they're here for.

    I'd like to hear it too from the horse's mouth too....... in one of his pods CM says something like one of the responsibilities of the Board is to clearly communicate the strategy and what's going on to the fanbase. It would be great to properly hear and understand their perspective post January.
    Final paragraph, actions speak louder than words.
    A smooth tongue is not what we are interested in.
    Exactly, none of us are, we've all had too much of that for too long.

    I guess for me, the more detail they communicate the easier it is for us to measure how they've done........... the less detail they give the harder it is to measure......... if communications are high level it always makes me wonder if people are doing their best to avoid being held accountable.
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    edited December 2023
    cabbles said:
    I would imagine Chem Campbell and the Udinese bloke may return, and if miracles do happen, Kirk can be moved on.  The worry for me is that we just swap them like for like in terms of impact.  Says it all when we're supposedly trying to agree a deal for a centre back who played 34 times for Cheltenham last season.

    (Yes - I'm aware people may highlight Alfie May, but he arrived off the back of 2 solid seasons scoring goals).  

    Ultimately, for a change in our trajectory, the owners will have to spend money.  The problem with that is that I don't think they want to, and I'm not sure Scott etc would use it wisely if they were willing 
    A Kirk like for like is unlikely. From another planet maybe. It's the wrong Sci-fi enterprise I know, but surely there can be only one, bystander! 😉
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    seth plum said:
    I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said the first quality needed in Politics in knowing how to count.

    Lyndon Johnson
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    edited December 2023
    Chunes said:
    I think it’s laughable to think we’ll spend £500k plus on a striker. If it wasn’t for a generous sponsorship we wouldn’t have Alfie May. Loans loans, loans.
    Agree, probably setting ourselves up for disappointment here...

    But thinking about it, Leaburn was likely to be sold in the Summer anyway. Now he's out for the season, the owners may be willing to invest some money in a new #1 Target Man if they're going to offload Miles for a few mil in 2024 and recoup the fee. But that's a big maybe. 
    If Leaburn hadn’t got injured recently would we have  sold him in January?

    To not bring in a decent striker in January would be folly, and virtually write off the rest of the season, question is, is there any budget left from the new owners , to go get an equivalent impact Alfie May or do they just shrug their shoulders and say whatever, and lose another 6 plus million next season stuck in this division, I don’t think a loan striker will cut the mustard, as they’ll likely be unproven.

    Were our collective of investors banking on flogging Miles to raise their transfer kitty?

    we are almost back to where we were at the start of the season, when we had miles and Chuks injured at the same time.

    Theres no guarantees that Miles will come back and be firing on all cylinders or be injury prone and miss loads of games, to do nothing in January is not an option, but I’m very nervous that we will bring in a right load of dross, of unfit, not up to it players.

    5 more league games left  I think, until the end of 2023.

    If we go on a dodgy run, between now and then, will Micky Apples become another ‘Charlton casualty’ being our 5th manager since 2020, it’s worse than Doctor Who regenerating every 5 minutes.


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    Can see it now.

    Upfront May and JCH.
    Wide Ladapo and Humphreys.
    On the bench Sam Smith (Reading still in difficulties), Leaburn, CBT and Aneke.
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    RC_CAFC said:
    supaclive said:
    Bolton
    Bust three years ago
    Sensible group of owners
    Good manager, good coaches
    Many free or low cost transfers

    It can be done
    We simply, I believe, don't have the right people in situ
    Neither did they after six months. All the fans wanted Evatt sacked. Truth is, if we keep going round in circles we’ll never know if we have the right people or not.
    Yep, they were doing rotten in league 2, 

    Just found this tweet: 



    Could you imagine our fans if we were relegated to league 2 and sat 19th after 24 games. 
    Evatt has been a great appointment. 
    He had Barrow playing great possession based football but they were a little toothless in the first season, a bit like Garner’s Charlton. The “Barrowcelona” second season added goals to the mix.
    Bolton were at rock bottom, which was strangely a great time for him to join. He came in being able to build a squad to fit his vision and was given time to implement it. With that time he’s been able to tweak it to be more effective each window. 

    We don’t have a fan base that will have that patience. It feels very “we want a whole promotion guaranteed squad signed now or it’s failed”. We can literally go from booing, the season is over already, we won’t sign anyone, just another bunch of chancers to singing “the reds are going up, allez allez allez” and back again within 30 mins!

    Highs and lows. Gills away was a low. 3 losses in 17 is great progress. Couple of competitive CB’s and a CM to compliment Dobbo’s fight and it’s a whole different story. 
    I have patience if I truly believe in the player/manager. You are right though, we are a bit entitled (myself included) and don't have complete patience for building something. 

    I still feel bad for Garner, only manager I've resonated with since Powell and Bowyer (Jacko to an extent from his playing days). A fair bit of our fan base have an emotional bias towards Holden cause he spoke to fans on the train and bought some beers. Mine is towards Garner for going absolutely mental and getting sent off. I'm not a fan of the whole looking calm on the touchline that Jackson, Adkins, Holden were, Appleton now as well. I like that Garner looked like he actually had a bit of passion. Goes a long way at this level 
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    They have been in or around the club for a year now.  The last transfer window was poor.  I hope they've seen the light and get business done early in January. 

    However, I remain unconvinced.  Given they spent £12m + buying TS out and have shelled out cash trying to improve us, in my opinion, they've not had a great first 12 months' involvement at CAFC.

    I quoted Bolton.  They were bust and had to start completely over again.

    We weren't.   

    So right now, cold hard facts / stats.  We're not really any better off than 12 months ago.

    Out of the League cup.
    Out of the FA cup.
    Dreaming of a promising January transfer window and an almost automatic promotion run of form to make play offs.
    Leaburn injured
    Aneke injured

    At least we had Brighton and Man Utd away to look forward to 12 months ago.....
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    Can see it now.

    Upfront May and JCH.
    Wide Ladapo and Humphreys.
    On the bench Sam Smith (Reading still in difficulties), Leaburn, CBT and Aneke.
    Can see it now.

                        Pope

    Konsa  Gomez  Lockyear  Doughty 

        Cullen  Gallagher  Bielik

           Lookman  May  Grant

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    I know I might be sounding a bit pedantic here, and it is 1.42am. Can the title be changed to January 2024 Transfer Rumours. Otherwise it sends shivers down my spine that for the whole of January we will only ever have 1 transfer rumour. That worries me. :)

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    supaclive said:
    They have been in or around the club for a year now.  The last transfer window was poor.  I hope they've seen the light and get business done early in January. 

    However, I remain unconvinced.  Given they spent £12m + buying TS out and have shelled out cash trying to improve us, in my opinion, they've not had a great first 12 months' involvement at CAFC.

    I quoted Bolton.  They were bust and had to start completely over again.

    We weren't.   

    So right now, cold hard facts / stats.  We're not really any better off than 12 months ago.

    Out of the League cup.
    Out of the FA cup.
    Dreaming of a promising January transfer window and an almost automatic promotion run of form to make play offs.
    Leaburn injured
    Aneke injured

    At least we had Brighton and Man Utd away to look forward to 12 months ago.....
    12 months? Didn't they buy the club in the summer, half way through a transfer window?
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    Our recruitment has been poor for several seasons - isn’t it fair to give the new ownership time to attempt to improve our scouting set up and see the results of that? Bring in more and better scouts and analysts, give them the tools and systems they need, sign players with Appleton’s input etc.

    We’re not going down the route of signing the best in the league so we need to get a lot better at identifying players who can be signed for small fees, on frees and loans.
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    supaclive said:
    They have been in or around the club for a year now.  The last transfer window was poor.  I hope they've seen the light and get business done early in January. 

    However, I remain unconvinced.  Given they spent £12m + buying TS out and have shelled out cash trying to improve us, in my opinion, they've not had a great first 12 months' involvement at CAFC.

    I quoted Bolton.  They were bust and had to start completely over again.

    We weren't.   

    So right now, cold hard facts / stats.  We're not really any better off than 12 months ago.

    Out of the League cup.
    Out of the FA cup.
    Dreaming of a promising January transfer window and an almost automatic promotion run of form to make play offs.
    Leaburn injured
    Aneke injured

    At least we had Brighton and Man Utd away to look forward to 12 months ago.....
    This happened with Wigan too and I genuinely believe that makes it easier. When you start from scratch, you don't have to worry about being close to FFP and you can entirely build a squad to fit your and your managers philosophy. Having a bloated squad of deadwood around that no one wants makes it so much harder to revolutionise it.
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    RC_CAFC said:
    supaclive said:
    They have been in or around the club for a year now.  The last transfer window was poor.  I hope they've seen the light and get business done early in January. 

    However, I remain unconvinced.  Given they spent £12m + buying TS out and have shelled out cash trying to improve us, in my opinion, they've not had a great first 12 months' involvement at CAFC.

    I quoted Bolton.  They were bust and had to start completely over again.

    We weren't.   

    So right now, cold hard facts / stats.  We're not really any better off than 12 months ago.

    Out of the League cup.
    Out of the FA cup.
    Dreaming of a promising January transfer window and an almost automatic promotion run of form to make play offs.
    Leaburn injured
    Aneke injured

    At least we had Brighton and Man Utd away to look forward to 12 months ago.....
    This happened with Wigan too and I genuinely believe that makes it easier. When you start from scratch, you don't have to worry about being close to FFP and you can entirely build a squad to fit your and your managers philosophy. Having a bloated squad of deadwood around that no one wants makes it so much harder to revolutionise it.
    I wouldn't go as far that, but I do think admin is a very high risk, high reward situation. If you get it RIGHT you get something like Bolton or Wigan but if it goes wrong then you could end up in terminal trouble.

    And if Roland maintains his control over assets like the Valley and the training ground there's high potential for it to go very badly for us.

    Not that I think we are anywhere near administration by way, I'm talking entirely hypothetically l.
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    supaclive said:
    Scoham said:
    Our recruitment has been poor for several seasons - isn’t it fair to give the new ownership time to attempt to improve our scouting set up and see the results of that? Bring in more and better scouts and analysts, give them the tools and systems they need, sign players with Appleton’s input etc.

    We’re not going down the route of signing the best in the league so we need to get a lot better at identifying players who can be signed for small fees, on frees and loans.
    I'd argue Alfie May was the best in the league....
    Agree, I should have made that clearer - if a player is available for a relatively low price (£250k?)  I expect we’ll pay it. What I don’t expect to see is us paying say £1m+ for L1 and L2 players. Ipswich paid some big fees and I’d be surprised if we did. I think the only way that potentially happens at this level is if there’s a big sale or two.
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    Swisdom said:
    I've recommended Humprys to the club a few times but I am ignored each time.  He may not be Shearer but he's big, strong, mobile and stays fit.

    Sadly he's paid pretty well at Wigan so probably out of our range at the moment
    I've been banging on about him for years, although I'm sure the club scouts are already well aware of him. Like you say, he's on a fair wedge at Wigan and is probably their best player, so no chance of us getting him.
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