Seeing as its been confirmed that Tedic has gone back, and we believe that Abankwa has too, and then added into the mix that both Watson & Campbell have hardly been played by Appleton, can it be justified to say that Andy Scott's loan deals have a lot to be desired.
Wise words mate, Wise words.
Scott only acting on the manager’s and recruitment
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Andy Scott is technical director Ronnie, he is responsible for the recruitment of players to the club, and those who depart. Whatever resources or advice he takes or uses, he is ultimately responsible. You will find that is how it works and he is answerable to the board whilst holding that post.
But some people will still hold Appleton/managers, ‘entirely’ responsible for crap performances……it just doesn’t add up that the manager gets so much abuse from fans when they’ve been dealt such a shyte hand. It’s something fans have done very unjustly(IMHO), for years…….especially here on CL. We have gone through dozens of managers who were never given the opportunity to succeed and until we have a board of directors who are prepared to put their hands in their pockets in a realistic fashion, this never ceasing scenario will continue.
Only time will tell if they can be reasoned with and persuaded to see sense this time round. I have thought this for many a year, just like those of us who can clearly see the woods for the trees. ☹️
Well which job would anyone choose on here, Appleton's or Scott's ? . Facts are last three managers were promised a squad that could challenge, all three were let down. Many years ago, it was the managers responsibility to sign players, that's no longer the case, Appleton can only work with what he's got, that squad today was bare bones, some fans were claiming that Appleton had finally seen sense and brought Louie Watson back, truth is he didn't have choice. Give him a squad and then judge him.
No. Please get rid of Appleton. He is useless and his post match assessments are nothing short of delusional/embarrassing.Every one knows we lack a bit in terms of players, but my god we are going backwards with him as manager. He should be doing better with the players at his disposal. Most of us don't need any more time to judge him. Guilty of impersonating a manager
Melrose, you probably have summed it up. Appleton was never wanted by the fans and I include myself in that number, I probably would have preferred Buckingham, based on the fact that I knew nothing about him, as for the Concord brothers and Fergusons little boy, please spare me. Back to the point, Appleton faces a huge, if not impossible, task to win fans over and to achieve anything near that, he would have to be in those play off spots and winning back to back games, even then fans would find something to dislike about him, it's currently his after match interviews. Quite simply, Appleton's appointment was by Scott and the board, Appleton's and Holden's lack of a squad, is down to Scott and the board, whoever is appointed, they cannot achieve anything without financial support from the board, where we are now is the boards responsibility, not Appleton's.
From "quite simply" you have nailed it.
If we finish bottom six hopefully the yanks will come over and out some of these clowns.
I honestly expected Dobson rumours as soon as the Coventry/Docherty interest came out last week , am surprised there hasn't been anything yet
Because he not interested in leaving which he as told his agent .. and confirmed by his dad
Scott as of the 22nd December
“We have offered two contracts to George and had little back from his agent,” said Scott. “It seems like he’s going to go into the January window and see what options are out there.
If the club are touting Fraser to clubs then I’m encouraged. I doubt they see either of the two loan lads as direct replacements so to me it implies we’re looking at bringing in a midfielder who can dictate play. I don’t buy into this “we have £1 million to spend”. You don’t advertise that fact up front and with the players we’re supposedly interested in, it’s not enough. I think we’ll see two very decent buys coming in. One presumably Clarke-Harris 🤞 and the other a midfielder. Maybe Coventry. Then it’ll most likely be another couple of loans.
I honestly expected Dobson rumours as soon as the Coventry/Docherty interest came out last week , am surprised there hasn't been anything yet
Because he not interested in leaving which he as told his agent .. and confirmed by his dad
Scott as of the 22nd December
“We have offered two contracts to George and had little back from his agent,” said Scott. “It seems like he’s going to go into the January window and see what options are out there.
Not having that, I still believe Ronnie.
You believe in Santa Claus as well
I put a pillow case out by the bed on the 24th December.
Aneke will be lucky to get any minutes, and is lucky we’ve been so tolerant, so the best he can hope for is the sub’s bench.
I'd be more than happy if Aneke was on the bench. He's always had more impact coming on as a sub than when he starts games.
For me part of the rebuild that may or may not happen must be to give us a stronger bench. In his earlier games, with better players at his disposal, Appleton used the bench well. Recently his substitutions haven't worked but with the options off the bench, perhaps that's not surprising.
cabbles said: Aneke will be lucky to get any minutes, and is lucky we’ve been so tolerant, so the best he can hope for is the sub’s bench.
Bit harsh on Aneke isn’t it?. If fit, I wouldn’t expect him necessarily to be second in the pecking order to JCH, or have I got that wrong?
And I don’t think it’s a question of Charlton being tolerant. He has a contract which he isn’t breaking by being injured.
It depends. He breaks down every 5 games pretty much. If you’ve got a player like that in the squad, for me, you can’t plan anything around them. He’s lucky we’re willing to stick with him, regardless of contract, and he should be willing to accept that because of his fitness issues, he can play a bit part. Plus, look what happened when Appleton tries to start him, he was injured not long after that. In an ideal world, we’ll have May, JCH and Leaburn vying for 2 of 3 roles, maybe even all 3 will start if whoever is in charge can make it work, but I think in reality, if JCH signs, this gives the owners legitimate reason to sell him
JHC has been offered 10k a week, apparently he is keen, but agent holding out for more.
Coventry both us and Shef Wed have put good offers on the on the table, apparently we have offered more.
If true, then very encouraging, but if offered to be managed by Danny Rohl in the league above or Michael Appleton in the league below, I know which one I’d be taking.
Don’t think JCH will be getting more than 10k a week anywhere else.
to those that think people are hysterical for wondering why we haven't signed anyone yet and are concerned we could be in for a bad window, here's what it looks like to be a club who give a shit and want to at least try and turn it around:
Clearly they've been planning for the window opening as Doucher has said you can do, we can't afford to scramble around. If we have played Port Vale and Peterborough without any new faces in, its a bit of a liberty and means there's been no actual plans in place or strategy.
Braziliance yesterday you claimed that Carlisle owners are an example of those that ‘give a shit and have ‘clearly been planning for the window opening’ based on them making 3 signings on the 4th.
One day later we have now made 2 signings, which is actually 20% of all activity in league one so far this window.
Would you now say that our owners ‘give a shit’ and have ‘clearly been planning for the window’?
Or would you say that your comment was not well thought out, and that your current mistrust of the ownership led you to make a baseless assumption?
No. For starters, it's relevant to each clubs situation. They've signed players that will probably improve them, I can tell you right now that Armstrong would walk into our side at present and I really mean walk. So for context, a side sitting in 24th has signed a player that that's better than anything we will stick up top today (assuming May is injured)
You want me to get the party poppers out over a pair of low risk loans with no real track record?
I'm just not a happy clapper, I will credit this mob when they show some ambition, until we sign a proper player for money like JCH I'll call it how it is.
If people are happy with these tosh signings more power to them
Edit; planning for the window, are you purposely trying to wind me up with this post? 😂 They're 6 month loans where neither are guaranteed to be here next season. It's the complete opposite of a planning for next season and all the talk of experience and quality is already out of the window
So have we? Have you seen our midfield for the last month?
Well quiet.
Luke Armstrong, who would walk into our team, has only managed 90 minutes 5 times this season.
You have to at least be consistent in the arguments you are trying to make.
Saying a team, you know little about, are an example of owners who care and have a plan - because they signed 3 players you know little about on the 4th January - is not a good argument in my opinion and is clearly just a poorly thought out angle to fit your current view point.
Luke Armstrong would walk into that team today and probably Port Vales as well, if they had him we would have been bang in trouble as they missed an aerial threat.
The main reason Armstrong wasn't playing for Harrogate, is probably similar to JCH in they knew he was going to leave and was trying to keep him injury free/plan without him. Can assure you Armstrong is one of the better forwards in League 2 and why he had money bags Wrexham pursuing him. Could be a coup for Carlisle as he could help them in their relegation fight or they go down and have a ready made top league 2 striker.
Consistent in what way? This isn't an argument, I think our owners are full of it mostly and I speak openly about it. Unless you want an argument?
Apologies genuinely not following there as I don't actually challenge posters on here really, just call the players, owners and manager shit every other day and posters like to hop on the posts. There's no arguing from me cause I can't be convinced about these owners until I see us progress as a club.
Anyway JCH is a cracking signing if it happens, those are the signings I expect based on their words
Why the Luke Armstrong love?
the guy has had two good years in the football league. Good years, not even very good years.
kanu has as many career league 1 goals and is 8 years younger.
If may, leaburn and aneke were all available, I doubt he would even get on our bench
It isn't, it's just looking at a clubs situation and respecting it. Armstrong was one of the highest rated players in league 2 last season, only Moxon, Piergianni and Cook finished ahead of him. 16 goals and 6 assist for Harrogate is a very steady return. He's also a right physical presence up top, almost 9 aerial duals won on average every game.
Carlisle have beat Wrexham to who was one of their main targets and improved their team. In the context of Carlisle being rock bottom of the league and needing firepower, I think it's an impressive signing.
I never said Armstrong was the answer for us, I am simply saying in this current CAFC team, he definitely would be starting.
They've gone out and bought a ready made player, we have signed a player that by our managers words 'needs time to settle in'
cabbles said: Aneke will be lucky to get any minutes, and is lucky we’ve been so tolerant, so the best he can hope for is the sub’s bench.
Bit harsh on Aneke isn’t it?. If fit, I wouldn’t expect him necessarily to be second in the pecking order to JCH, or have I got that wrong?
And I don’t think it’s a question of Charlton being tolerant. He has a contract which he isn’t breaking by being injured.
It depends. He breaks down every 5 games pretty much. If you’ve got a player like that in the squad, for me, you can’t plan anything around them. He’s lucky we’re willing to stick with him, regardless of contract, and he should be willing to accept that because of his fitness issues, he can play a bit part. Plus, look what happened when Appleton tries to start him, he was injured not long after that. In an ideal world, we’ll have May, JCH and Leaburn vying for 2 of 3 roles, maybe even all 3 will start if whoever is in charge can make it work, but I think in reality, if JCH signs, this gives the owners legitimate reason to sell him
You’d have to see how JCH performs first. I hope he fits in and does well, but it’s not 100% nailed on that he will.
With Chuks’ injury record it might be hard to find a buyer that is prepared to pay his wages. All I know is that when Chuks was involved we looked so much better. He’s more of a threat than Miles, although Miles might improve. Feel sorry for these guys whose careers are so blighted by injury. No fun for them, despite the high wages.
to those that think people are hysterical for wondering why we haven't signed anyone yet and are concerned we could be in for a bad window, here's what it looks like to be a club who give a shit and want to at least try and turn it around:
Clearly they've been planning for the window opening as Doucher has said you can do, we can't afford to scramble around. If we have played Port Vale and Peterborough without any new faces in, its a bit of a liberty and means there's been no actual plans in place or strategy.
Braziliance yesterday you claimed that Carlisle owners are an example of those that ‘give a shit and have ‘clearly been planning for the window opening’ based on them making 3 signings on the 4th.
One day later we have now made 2 signings, which is actually 20% of all activity in league one so far this window.
Would you now say that our owners ‘give a shit’ and have ‘clearly been planning for the window’?
Or would you say that your comment was not well thought out, and that your current mistrust of the ownership led you to make a baseless assumption?
No. For starters, it's relevant to each clubs situation. They've signed players that will probably improve them, I can tell you right now that Armstrong would walk into our side at present and I really mean walk. So for context, a side sitting in 24th has signed a player that that's better than anything we will stick up top today (assuming May is injured)
You want me to get the party poppers out over a pair of low risk loans with no real track record?
I'm just not a happy clapper, I will credit this mob when they show some ambition, until we sign a proper player for money like JCH I'll call it how it is.
If people are happy with these tosh signings more power to them
Edit; planning for the window, are you purposely trying to wind me up with this post? 😂 They're 6 month loans where neither are guaranteed to be here next season. It's the complete opposite of a planning for next season and all the talk of experience and quality is already out of the window
I generally share your anxiety about the current recruitment set up, but at the same time I don’t feel I can write off signings like the two we made yesterday without seeing them play regularly first.
I don’t think that’s being happy clappy.
In my view it is mate, I've not aimed it at anyone personally but I am of the view that if you lap up what these lot say, are still finding positives about how this team is playing and still finding excuses for this manager (which I have seen) then I can't understand you as a Charlton fan.
Edit: to make it clear as well, that isn't a dig on those Charlton fans, as I have time for anyone that supports this club, I more mean I can't get on the same wave length as those particular fans as I am a lot less tolerant to us being this shit
to those that think people are hysterical for wondering why we haven't signed anyone yet and are concerned we could be in for a bad window, here's what it looks like to be a club who give a shit and want to at least try and turn it around:
Clearly they've been planning for the window opening as Doucher has said you can do, we can't afford to scramble around. If we have played Port Vale and Peterborough without any new faces in, its a bit of a liberty and means there's been no actual plans in place or strategy.
Braziliance yesterday you claimed that Carlisle owners are an example of those that ‘give a shit and have ‘clearly been planning for the window opening’ based on them making 3 signings on the 4th.
One day later we have now made 2 signings, which is actually 20% of all activity in league one so far this window.
Would you now say that our owners ‘give a shit’ and have ‘clearly been planning for the window’?
Or would you say that your comment was not well thought out, and that your current mistrust of the ownership led you to make a baseless assumption?
No. For starters, it's relevant to each clubs situation. They've signed players that will probably improve them, I can tell you right now that Armstrong would walk into our side at present and I really mean walk. So for context, a side sitting in 24th has signed a player that that's better than anything we will stick up top today (assuming May is injured)
You want me to get the party poppers out over a pair of low risk loans with no real track record?
I'm just not a happy clapper, I will credit this mob when they show some ambition, until we sign a proper player for money like JCH I'll call it how it is.
If people are happy with these tosh signings more power to them
Edit; planning for the window, are you purposely trying to wind me up with this post? 😂 They're 6 month loans where neither are guaranteed to be here next season. It's the complete opposite of a planning for next season and all the talk of experience and quality is already out of the window
I generally share your anxiety about the current recruitment set up, but at the same time I don’t feel I can write off signings like the two we made yesterday without seeing them play regularly first.
I don’t think that’s being happy clappy.
In my view it is mate. I've not aimed it at anyone personally but I am of the view that if you lap up what these lot say, are still finding positives about how this team is playing and still finding excuses for this manager (which I have seen) then I can't understand you as a Charlton fan.
Would this City be sent as part of the OK to send Tedic back? Seems a strange move all round. But if we requested to send Tedic back would they be saying we need to take another instead?
to those that think people are hysterical for wondering why we haven't signed anyone yet and are concerned we could be in for a bad window, here's what it looks like to be a club who give a shit and want to at least try and turn it around:
Clearly they've been planning for the window opening as Doucher has said you can do, we can't afford to scramble around. If we have played Port Vale and Peterborough without any new faces in, its a bit of a liberty and means there's been no actual plans in place or strategy.
Braziliance yesterday you claimed that Carlisle owners are an example of those that ‘give a shit and have ‘clearly been planning for the window opening’ based on them making 3 signings on the 4th.
One day later we have now made 2 signings, which is actually 20% of all activity in league one so far this window.
Would you now say that our owners ‘give a shit’ and have ‘clearly been planning for the window’?
Or would you say that your comment was not well thought out, and that your current mistrust of the ownership led you to make a baseless assumption?
No. For starters, it's relevant to each clubs situation. They've signed players that will probably improve them, I can tell you right now that Armstrong would walk into our side at present and I really mean walk. So for context, a side sitting in 24th has signed a player that that's better than anything we will stick up top today (assuming May is injured)
You want me to get the party poppers out over a pair of low risk loans with no real track record?
I'm just not a happy clapper, I will credit this mob when they show some ambition, until we sign a proper player for money like JCH I'll call it how it is.
If people are happy with these tosh signings more power to them
Edit; planning for the window, are you purposely trying to wind me up with this post? 😂 They're 6 month loans where neither are guaranteed to be here next season. It's the complete opposite of a planning for next season and all the talk of experience and quality is already out of the window
I generally share your anxiety about the current recruitment set up, but at the same time I don’t feel I can write off signings like the two we made yesterday without seeing them play regularly first.
I don’t think that’s being happy clappy.
In my view it is mate, I've not aimed it at anyone personally but I am of the view that if you lap up what these lot say, are still finding positives about how this team is playing and still finding excuses for this manager (which I have seen) then I can't understand you as a Charlton fan.
Will we even get to see him play much? That's the big question now
So potentially we have Fiorini, then Taylor , McGrandles and Camara all that will need Easing back in after injuries ? Their will be more competition for the seats on the bench than the staring places
Would this City be sent as part of the OK to send Tedic back? Seems a strange move all round. But if we requested to send Tedic back would they be saying we need to take another instead?
Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the deal. Appleton would obviously know what Fiorini is capable of having managed him twice before. Just a bit frustrating it's going to be 20-25 mins here and there to start with.
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If we finish bottom six hopefully the yanks will come over and out some of these clowns.
Assume Fraser will depart on a loan where we pay the majority of the salary as per usual.
For me part of the rebuild that may or may not happen must be to give us a stronger bench. In his earlier games, with better players at his disposal, Appleton used the bench well. Recently his substitutions haven't worked but with the options off the bench, perhaps that's not surprising.
Don’t think JCH will be getting more than 10k a week anywhere else.
Carlisle have beat Wrexham to who was one of their main targets and improved their team. In the context of Carlisle being rock bottom of the league and needing firepower, I think it's an impressive signing.
I never said Armstrong was the answer for us, I am simply saying in this current CAFC team, he definitely would be starting.
They've gone out and bought a ready made player, we have signed a player that by our managers words 'needs time to settle in'
If the owners decided to inject some equity then we wouldn't need to worry about it .
Edit: to make it clear as well, that isn't a dig on those Charlton fans, as I have time for anyone that supports this club, I more mean I can't get on the same wave length as those particular fans as I am a lot less tolerant to us being this shit
Will we even get to see him play much? That's the big question now
Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the deal. Appleton would obviously know what Fiorini is capable of having managed him twice before. Just a bit frustrating it's going to be 20-25 mins here and there to start with.