to those that think people are hysterical for wondering why we haven't signed anyone yet and are concerned we could be in for a bad window, here's what it looks like to be a club who give a shit and want to at least try and turn it around:
Clearly they've been planning for the window opening as Doucher has said you can do, we can't afford to scramble around. If we have played Port Vale and Peterborough without any new faces in, its a bit of a liberty and means there's been no actual plans in place or strategy.
Braziliance yesterday you claimed that Carlisle owners are an example of those that ‘give a shit and have ‘clearly been planning for the window opening’ based on them making 3 signings on the 4th.
One day later we have now made 2 signings, which is actually 20% of all activity in league one so far this window.
Would you now say that our owners ‘give a shit’ and have ‘clearly been planning for the window’?
Or would you say that your comment was not well thought out, and that your current mistrust of the ownership led you to make a baseless assumption?
No. For starters, it's relevant to each clubs situation. They've signed players that will probably improve them, I can tell you right now that Armstrong would walk into our side at present and I really mean walk. So for context, a side sitting in 24th has signed a player that that's better than anything we will stick up top today (assuming May is injured)
You want me to get the party poppers out over a pair of low risk loans with no real track record?
I'm just not a happy clapper, I will credit this mob when they show some ambition, until we sign a proper player for money like JCH I'll call it how it is.
If people are happy with these tosh signings more power to them
Edit; planning for the window, are you purposely trying to wind me up with this post? 😂 They're 6 month loans where neither are guaranteed to be here next season. It's the complete opposite of a planning for next season and all the talk of experience and quality is already out of the window
I can tell you right now that Bakinson would walk into our side at present.
As a general observation, why does not slagging off signings seem to equate to some as rejoicing about them on CL? If I say I'll reserve judgement on a signing until I see them play, that doesn't mean my view is the polar opposite of someone posting to express reservations, and therefore to be reacted to as if I were giving them high praise, which I'm not.
I can understand the Bakinson signing, in that he knows the division, and has played enough this season to be reasonably match fit - he's come off the bench in the last 3 Wednesday games, so shouldn't be too far off full match fitness.
Fiorini is more weird, as he hasn't played a minute this season, and it's not as if we have EFL Trophy type games to get him fit either.
Good point about TB ("Sheets" isn't his nickname) having played from the bench so being reasonably match fit.
Fiorini has a decent reputation and isn't, as far as we know, injured. Has he played under U21 games for City this season?
Good to see that the Tedic fiasco hasn't burnt our relationship with Man City and they are still willing to loan us players. I wonder how much of that is Scott and how much is Appleton's much touted reputation for developing youngsters at other clubs? At least that is what we we told when he joined.
For all the data analysis and scientific recruitment good old "it's who you know" still seems to play a big part.
So two in, early - ish but loans.
We do seem overloaded in numbers in midfield if and when Taylor, Camara and SuperMac return to fitness and we're linked with Docherty and Coventry too although they may have been either/or with the two signings today.
And we don't know what will happen with Dobson yet. Easy for his dad to placate a questioning fan with the answer he wants to hear IE "yes, he's signing a new deal", another thing entirely for the deal to be done.
The optimists will see potential in the two additions, the pessimists their flaws, the pragmatists will wait and see and the troll will be forever Colin/Bexley Boy/RonnieMoore.
Also, both these came not entirely out of the blue but we're leaked and done in 24 hours (correct me if I'm wrong but was either name mentioned before Friday morning?) so cards being played close to the chest.
Where the chaff is concerned yes. But they are shouting from the rooftops that they are in for JCH and the like. Everyone else can see what's going on here right?
They haven't announced either way if they're eligible for today, but given both have pictures of them at Sparrows Lane in the daylight yesterday, and in the weight room with CBT with Bakinson, I'd imagine they were registered in time and they just took ages getting the articles out
The cafc website said that the Fiorini deal was still waiting EFL approval when they announced that signing late last night….so I’d be very suprised if he plays today.
I can understand the Bakinson signing, in that he knows the division, and has played enough this season to be reasonably match fit - he's come off the bench in the last 3 Wednesday games, so shouldn't be too far off full match fitness.
Fiorini is more weird, as he hasn't played a minute this season, and it's not as if we have EFL Trophy type games to get him fit either.
Good point about TB ("Sheets" isn't his nickname) having played from the bench so being reasonably match fit.
Fiorini has a decent reputation and isn't, as far as we know, injured. Has he played under U21 games for City this season?
Good to see that the Tedic fiasco hasn't burnt our relationship with Man City and they are still willing to loan us players. I wonder how much of that is Scott and how much is Appleton's much touted reputation for developing youngsters at other clubs? At least that is what we we told when he joined.
For all the data analysis and scientific recruitment good old "it's who you know" still seems to play a big part.
So two in, early - ish but loans.
We do seem overloaded in numbers in midfield if and when Taylor, Camara and SuperMac return to fitness and we're linked with Docherty and Coventry too although they may have been either/or with the two signings today.
And we don't know what will happen with Dobson yet. Easy for his dad to placate a questioning fan with the answer he wants to hear IE "yes, he's signing a new deal", another thing entirely for the deal to be done.
The optimists will see potential in the two additions, the pessimists their flaws, the pragmatists will wait and see and the troll will be forever Colin/Bexley Boy/RonnieMoore.
Also, both these came not entirely out of the blue but we're leaked and done in 24 hours (correct me if I'm wrong but was either name mentioned before Friday morning?) so cards being played close to the chest.
Where the chaff is concerned yes. But they are shouting from the rooftops that they are in for JCH and the like. Everyone else can see what's going on here right?
Are they? Cawley said specifically around that, that not all his information comes from the Charlton side.
Backinson 50 + championship games Fiorini 15 Dobson 0 Fraser 0 Camara 0 Anderson 0
I'm shocked and surprised 😂😂😂😂 that the Charlton life family have their pitch forks out and have judged these players before they have even kicked a ball for the club.
i do not have a clue if either player is any good or is complete shit. Either way, I'm not going to make judgement on them until I've seen them play.
I don't think it's the actual signings per se and I'll certainly give them a chance but I think it's more the fact that Andy Scott said they were focussing on permanent signings, players with experience and players that had been playing recently. The first two signings are the polar opposite of that, especially Fiorini, so surely you can understand why many of us are sceptical.
Things change. Coventry for example, may have turned us down, or West ham moved the goal posts and we acted quickly to get in another target before they moved elsewhere. Part of the issue is that people expect every conversation, every target, hourly updates from the club.
Backinson has already been written off on the Backinson thread. Is that fair? Should that be happening?
Backinson isnt match fit - he got minutes 5 days ago Backinson is shit - see stats above.
People playing on Scotts every word is one thing, but slatting a player that most wouldnt recognise if ha came up to them and introduced himself is very silly in my view.
It's not really the individual player. It's the logic behind the recruitment process. People are getting mightily tired of this, and imo, rightly so. Unfortunately the frustrations are being taken out on the plater/s
If Backinson was our no 1 target, then I get the criticism towards Scott
if we have missed out on a player such as Coventry and moved quickly to get a reasonable body in, then well done scott. There is still time to add to the squad and not panic loan players late in the window like the two from the summer that have already gone back to their parent clubs.
the problem is, very few people are aware of what goes on in the offices at the training ground and then jump to conclusions. With yesterday's conclusion being that we have loan signings, they must be shit.
Backinson 50 + championship games Fiorini 15 Dobson 0 Fraser 0 Camara 0 Anderson 0
I'm shocked and surprised 😂😂😂😂 that the Charlton life family have their pitch forks out and have judged these players before they have even kicked a ball for the club.
i do not have a clue if either player is any good or is complete shit. Either way, I'm not going to make judgement on them until I've seen them play.
I don't think it's the actual signings per se and I'll certainly give them a chance but I think it's more the fact that Andy Scott said they were focussing on permanent signings, players with experience and players that had been playing recently. The first two signings are the polar opposite of that, especially Fiorini, so surely you can understand why many of us are sceptical.
Things change. Coventry for example, may have turned us down, or West ham moved the goal posts and we acted quickly to get in another target before they moved elsewhere. Part of the issue is that people expect every conversation, every target, hourly updates from the club.
Backinson has already been written off on the Backinson thread. Is that fair? Should that be happening?
Backinson isnt match fit - he got minutes 5 days ago Backinson is shit - see stats above.
People playing on Scotts every word is one thing, but slatting a player that most wouldnt recognise if ha came up to them and introduced himself is very silly in my view.
It's not really the individual player. It's the logic behind the recruitment process. People are getting mightily tired of this, and imo, rightly so. Unfortunately the frustrations are being taken out on the plater/s
If Backinson was our no 1 target, then I get the criticism towards Scott
if we have missed out on a player such as Coventry and moved quickly to get a reasonable body in, then well done scott. There is still time to add to the squad and not panic loan players late in the window like the two from the summer that have already gone back to their parent clubs.
the problem is, very few people are aware of what goes on in the offices at the training ground and then jump to conclusions. With yesterday's conclusion being that we have loan signings, they must be shit.
I haven't seen many people moaning about the quality. It's about these signings not meeting the criteria that was set out by Scott & Appleton themselves.
I can understand the Bakinson signing, in that he knows the division, and has played enough this season to be reasonably match fit - he's come off the bench in the last 3 Wednesday games, so shouldn't be too far off full match fitness.
Fiorini is more weird, as he hasn't played a minute this season, and it's not as if we have EFL Trophy type games to get him fit either.
Good point about TB ("Sheets" isn't his nickname) having played from the bench so being reasonably match fit.
Fiorini has a decent reputation and isn't, as far as we know, injured. Has he played under U21 games for City this season?
Good to see that the Tedic fiasco hasn't burnt our relationship with Man City and they are still willing to loan us players. I wonder how much of that is Scott and how much is Appleton's much touted reputation for developing youngsters at other clubs? At least that is what we we told when he joined.
For all the data analysis and scientific recruitment good old "it's who you know" still seems to play a big part.
So two in, early - ish but loans.
We do seem overloaded in numbers in midfield if and when Taylor, Camara and SuperMac return to fitness and we're linked with Docherty and Coventry too although they may have been either/or with the two signings today.
And we don't know what will happen with Dobson yet. Easy for his dad to placate a questioning fan with the answer he wants to hear IE "yes, he's signing a new deal", another thing entirely for the deal to be done.
The optimists will see potential in the two additions, the pessimists their flaws, the pragmatists will wait and see and the troll will be forever Colin/Bexley Boy/RonnieMoore.
Also, both these came not entirely out of the blue but we're leaked and done in 24 hours (correct me if I'm wrong but was either name mentioned before Friday morning?) so cards being played close to the chest.
Where the chaff is concerned yes. But they are shouting from the rooftops that they are in for JCH and the like. Everyone else can see what's going on here right?
Not seen a single comment from CAFC on JCH
Seen a lot from named Peterborough sources but none from our end.
After reading all the comments on here, I gather we got in early to get two experienced midfielders that will not be fit before the end of the window, is that right?
I have not heard of either of our signings so far and would have preferred permanent signings and players who are unequivocally fit...but...
If I was JCH etc I would want to see some movement forwards by a club like us before I signed, these two maybe baby steps but if they persuade JCH to sign, and then his signing persuades a Coventry or Docherty or similar to sign then good and we are heading firmly in the right direction.
Both our loanees are imo, on trial. Bakinson, out of contract in the summer and from London. Sure if he performs really well there is a risk we lose him but if he is with us we have a better chance of getting him to stay. He should be reasonably fit and should be fine in L1. Fiorini is not likely to make it at Man City so if he stays fit and plays well we would be well placed to get him next season whether that is a season long loan or a perm.
I don't think either are bad options, I think it is just fans would rather have seen first team ready permanents as Andy Scott had said that is what we could get. Plenty of time left this window.
I am glass half full currently, driven mainly by the fact this ownership spent £10-12M cash buying us and I can't believe they did that to invest paltry amounts keeping us in L1.
They are both okay signings if they end up being the easy cheap business of the window that is followed by more serious recruitment like JCH in the weeks to come.
Depressing to still see some fans being attacked and shouted down for now celebrating every new signing through the door despite the now years of poor recruitment.
Convinced some fans if a club employee spat in their burger they would thank them for saving the time putting in their own choice of condiment.
As I previously posted both Coventry and Docherty would have excited me as would the Leeds duo Bate and Poveda. I don't feel this about either of these signings. I wonder whether Man City only allowed the Tedic recall because we were happy to take another of their fringe players.
I also wonder about Camara. He is another who has six months left of a contract. Maybe if he gets fit he will be another auditioning for a contract next season as well.
For those not impressed with our first signings of Day 5 of the transfer window, who would you have expected to be first through the door?
Bearing in mind our current position, player’s availability wish to join us over everyone else agents vying for better deals for player and themselves clubs willing to allow players to leave at this early stage in the window until said clubs have found replacements some negotiations are more complex than others some assuming these will be the only signings and I’m sure a whole host of other things that come into the equation
As I previously posted both Coventry and Docherty would have excited me as would the Leeds duo Bate and Poveda. I don't feel this about either of these signings. I wonder whether Man City only allowed the Tedic recall because we were happy to take another of their fringe players.
I also wonder about Camara. He is another who has six months left of a contract. Maybe if he gets fit he will be another auditioning for a contract next season as well.
Maybe but with his recent injuries I would not touch him with a barge pole. Next season our owners will be demanding promotion I reckon. We won't be able to afford to carry a load of injury risk players so the likes of him, Aneke and McGrandles should be moved on if possible.
I will be so please if JCH signs for us. Will give me some confidence in the recruitment too.
It would be a good sign but need backing up with other good permanent signings. Otherwise it’ll be a lot like Fraser signing a few years ago. We need to avoid leaving ourselves with too much to do in the summer and end up over relying on a few key players.
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Everyone else can see what's going on here right?
if we have missed out on a player such as Coventry and moved quickly to get a reasonable body in, then well done scott. There is still time to add to the squad and not panic loan players late in the window like the two from the summer that have already gone back to their parent clubs.
the problem is, very few people are aware of what goes on in the offices at the training ground and then jump to conclusions. With yesterday's conclusion being that we have loan signings, they must be shit.
Seen a lot from named Peterborough sources but none from our end.
If I was JCH etc I would want to see some movement forwards by a club like us before I signed, these two maybe baby steps but if they persuade JCH to sign, and then his signing persuades a Coventry or Docherty or similar to sign then good and we are heading firmly in the right direction.
Both our loanees are imo, on trial. Bakinson, out of contract in the summer and from London. Sure if he performs really well there is a risk we lose him but if he is with us we have a better chance of getting him to stay. He should be reasonably fit and should be fine in L1. Fiorini is not likely to make it at Man City so if he stays fit and plays well we would be well placed to get him next season whether that is a season long loan or a perm.
I don't think either are bad options, I think it is just fans would rather have seen first team ready permanents as Andy Scott had said that is what we could get. Plenty of time left this window.
I am glass half full currently, driven mainly by the fact this ownership spent £10-12M cash buying us and I can't believe they did that to invest paltry amounts keeping us in L1.
Depressing to still see some fans being attacked and shouted down for now celebrating every new signing through the door despite the now years of poor recruitment.
Convinced some fans if a club employee spat in their burger they would thank them for saving the time putting in their own choice of condiment.
As I previously posted both Coventry and Docherty would have excited me as would the Leeds duo Bate and Poveda. I don't feel this about either of these signings. I wonder whether Man City only allowed the Tedic recall because we were happy to take another of their fringe players.
I also wonder about Camara. He is another who has six months left of a contract. Maybe if he gets fit he will be another auditioning for a contract next season as well.
For those not impressed with our first signings of Day 5 of the transfer window, who would you have expected to be first through the door?
Bearing in mind
our current position,
player’s availability
wish to join us over everyone else
agents vying for better deals for player and themselves
clubs willing to allow players to leave at this early stage in the window
until said clubs have found replacements
some negotiations are more complex than others
some assuming these will be the only signings
and I’m sure a whole host of other things that come into the equation
Maybe but with his recent injuries I would not touch him with a barge pole. Next season our owners will be demanding promotion I reckon. We won't be able to afford to carry a load of injury risk players so the likes of him, Aneke and McGrandles should be moved on if possible.