I don't know if the stats back it up, but my perception is that the majority of promotions from League One are won by managers in their first job or certainly still earlier in their careers. If managers are any good, they might start at this level but they don't stay here for long. To win promotion from this league you need players capable of playing the Championship. I think you also need a manager/coach capable of managing in the Championship. Nothing in Appleton's record suggests he is, or ever was, good enough for that level so his appointment never made sense from day one.
If we're getting rid of him then in my opinion we should not be looking at well-known names, unless we can somehow tempt someone down to this level who you would really expect to be managing higher. That would be a very tough sell, so our chances of attracting a good enough manager to get us promoted are probably improved if we look for bright and ambitious young coach taking their first steps in management. The added wrinkle for us is we have rarely done well with managers with no previous connection to the club. Northerners don't seem to fair well down here either (Jimmy Seed aside).
I don't know who to suggest, I just don't know enough about what is going on at other clubs, but, for me, that is the general profile of manager we need to be finding. I'm hesitant on Bowyer and Powell. Bowyer could be a good fit for the squad, but will he work well with Andy Scott and head coach not manager structure? Same perhaps goes for Powell plus I'm not sure he would want to set up in a way that suits the squad we currently have.
It’s why I generally prefer to gamble on a young manager than go for managers like Slade, Adkins and Appleton. If they were that good they’d have a Championship job or higher.
I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
I imagine that one way or another he's on borrowed time. But any announcements will not be made just yet for various reasons - whether they hope to have someone straight through the door, or the SMT need one or more of the actual owners to sign off on something, or even just to try and work out some way to spin it as anything other than the complete and utter cluster fuck it has been pretty much since the actual appointment.
As Airman has tweeted, this does not look very good for their credibility at all. Even if (when?) he does go then it has pretty much undone all the good PR and morale stuff the new signings had done.
Scott and Methven must surely know that getting it wrong again means it's their necks in the (metaphorical) noose next.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
I thought this right from the start. It just struck me that this guy was just after a payout. His whole demeanour whilst in post seems to back this up
We’ve had players like Gunter and Watson here just to earn a decent contract and not putting everything into their performances. Never really hear it said about managers but it’s not much of a stretch to believe some will happily take jobs despite not being fully committed to put everything into it. They know they’ll either succeed or get the sack and a nice payoff. At a club like ours they can blame it on the ownership and fan expectations then move on to another job.
Arrogant and based on very little in recent years. Fine line between arrogance and confidence and this man has overstepped it by long way
This is what I don’t get. What is the evidence for the supposed arrogance? I want him out because he’s a terrible manager. I couldn’t care less how demonstrative he is on the touchline and I don’t really get the vitriol that is all over this thread. Either I’ve missed something or a lot of people are confusing incompetence with an obnoxious personality.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
Exactly. What Holden lacked in tactical knowledge he made up for in enthusiasm. In the end it didn’t work but at least he gave the fans something. Appleton gives me fuck all. No emotion, no enthusiasm, no like ability. He’s just dull as fuck and shit to go with it.
I don't know if the stats back it up, but my perception is that the majority of promotions from League One are won by managers in their first job or certainly still earlier in their careers. If managers are any good, they might start at this level but they don't stay here for long. To win promotion from this league you need players capable of playing the Championship. I think you also need a manager/coach capable of managing in the Championship. Nothing in Appleton's record suggests he is, or ever was, good enough for that level so his appointment never made sense from day one.
If we're getting rid of him then in my opinion we should not be looking at well-known names, unless we can somehow tempt someone down to this level who you would really expect to be managing higher. That would be a very tough sell, so our chances of attracting a good enough manager to get us promoted are probably improved if we look for bright and ambitious young coach taking their first steps in management. The added wrinkle for us is we have rarely done well with managers with no previous connection to the club. Northerners don't seem to fair well down here either (Jimmy Seed aside).
I don't know who to suggest, I just don't know enough about what is going on at other clubs, but, for me, that is the general profile of manager we need to be finding. I'm hesitant on Bowyer and Powell. Bowyer could be a good fit for the squad, but will he work well with Andy Scott and head coach not manager structure? Same perhaps goes for Powell plus I'm not sure he would want to set up in a way that suits the squad we currently have.
It’s why I generally prefer to gamble on a young manager than go for managers like Slade, Adkins and Appleton. If they were that good they’d have a Championship job or higher.
I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
I agree there’s probably no one in house right now. Euell would be the only one who might AND has previous affiliations with us, but don’t know if he wants to be a manager or not. There has to be someone out there in the wider world of football. Where you’re from and who you’ve previously worked for shouldn’t, logically at least, be a barrier to doing well here if they are good enough.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
Exactly. What Holden lacked in tactical knowledge he made up for in enthusiasm. In the end it didn’t work but at least he gave the fans something. Appleton gives me fuck all. No emotion, no enthusiasm, no like ability. He’s just dull as fuck and shit to go with it.
Says post match that the players weren't doing what they were supposed to in the second half, yet didn't make any attempt to tell them from the sideline either. Just stood still with his hands in his pockets.
In all those late goals we conceded I never saw one reaction from him. Not one recoil in frustration, anger or disappointment. It's just weird.
For what it’s worth a Swansea supporting mate thinks about Duff like we do Appleton.
No connection with fans, strange formations, playing people out of position and above all - belittling the importance of the south Wales derby, in which Cardiff did the double over them I believe. It’ll get howls of derision from some but Powell is the pick for me to get out of this mess. We need a bloke with Charlton in his blood and to get the feel good factor back.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
I thought this right from the start. It just struck me that this guy was just after a payout. His whole demeanour whilst in post seems to back this up
We’ve had players like Gunter and Watson here just to earn a decent contract and not putting everything into their performances. Never really hear it said about managers but it’s not much of a stretch to believe some will happily take jobs despite not being fully committed to put everything into it. They know they’ll either succeed or get the sack and a nice payoff. At a club like ours they can blame it on the ownership and fan expectations then move on to another job.
This the problem its easy for us all to say Appleton should go but they took 3 weeks musing of Appletons appointment and that was all they could come up with. I'd just appoint a bit of fire fighter until the end of the season make sure we don't get sucked in to relegation and spend the rest of the seasons getting the right man in ahead of preseason
I can confirm I have been offered the job with a three year contract. Rylo will be my assistant and cfgs the fitness coach. After many hours of discussions we have decided the best formation will be 4 4 4. I have not seen this formation used before but we believe it will give us the best chance of success. I look forward to having the backing of all the fans. Onwards and upwards.
I don't know if the stats back it up, but my perception is that the majority of promotions from League One are won by managers in their first job or certainly still earlier in their careers. If managers are any good, they might start at this level but they don't stay here for long. To win promotion from this league you need players capable of playing the Championship. I think you also need a manager/coach capable of managing in the Championship. Nothing in Appleton's record suggests he is, or ever was, good enough for that level so his appointment never made sense from day one.
If we're getting rid of him then in my opinion we should not be looking at well-known names, unless we can somehow tempt someone down to this level who you would really expect to be managing higher. That would be a very tough sell, so our chances of attracting a good enough manager to get us promoted are probably improved if we look for bright and ambitious young coach taking their first steps in management. The added wrinkle for us is we have rarely done well with managers with no previous connection to the club. Northerners don't seem to fair well down here either (Jimmy Seed aside).
I don't know who to suggest, I just don't know enough about what is going on at other clubs, but, for me, that is the general profile of manager we need to be finding. I'm hesitant on Bowyer and Powell. Bowyer could be a good fit for the squad, but will he work well with Andy Scott and head coach not manager structure? Same perhaps goes for Powell plus I'm not sure he would want to set up in a way that suits the squad we currently have.
It’s why I generally prefer to gamble on a young manager than go for managers like Slade, Adkins and Appleton. If they were that good they’d have a Championship job or higher.
I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
I agree there’s probably no one in house right now. Euell would be the only one who might AND has previous affiliations with us, but don’t know if he wants to be a manager or not. There has to be someone out there in the wider world of football. Where you’re from and who you’ve previously worked for shouldn’t, logically at least, be a barrier to doing well here if they are good enough.
Euell applied for the Wimbledon job but that was 3 years ago now.
Re: the Pearson speculation. Plenty of Bristol City fans responding to this Tweet who seem to be pretty fond of him. Also noticed a few mentioning recovery from recent back surgery, so perhaps that rules him out anyway?
Would love to see Gary Rowett. A proven success, an ex Addict. Maybe his football isn't the most pleasing on the eye but 15 years of watching shit football and losing and I don't care.
This the problem its easy for us all to say Appleton should go but they took 3 weeks musing of Appletons appointment and that was all they could come up with. I'd just appoint a bit of fire fighter until the end of the season make sure we don't get sucked in to relegation and spend the rest of the seasons getting the right man in ahead of preseason
I can confirm I have been offered the job with a three year contract. Rylo will be my assistant and cfgs the fitness coach. After many hours of discussions we have decided the best formation will be 4 4 4. I have not seen this formation used before but we believe it will give us the best chance of success. I look forward to having the backing of all the fans. Onwards and upwards.
I've interviewed Appleton (it's in the latest MOD mag) and I didn't get the impression that he was uncaring or arrogant.
He did come over as very driven and focused, almost obsessively so as shown by how he used his working out and tattoos to cope with losing his playing career at 27.
I was surprised how open he was about that with a stranger and knowing it could go into press.
I asked him to compare himself with Garner and Holden in terms of fan engagement (BG seeing it as a distraction, DH as vital) and he put himself in the middle. He saw the need to engage but also said he was very keen on having the time to do the other parts of his job. I would have placed him closer to Garner on that scale.
He also didn't seem too sold or not that bothered about the coach/technical director set up. Almost felt that he was going to do his job regardless of titles.
He became really animated talking about golf which he watches daily but plays not enough.
And he's aware that his physical image (shaved head, tattoos, muscles) might make some people think he's thick and he has played on that in meetings with executives.
I met Holden and liked him a lot more, met Garner and he was a quiet, unassuming guy, quite liked Appleton for his honesty and drive but it's not a popularity competition, it's about winning games and none of them did or are doing enough of that.
Maybe a bit unrealistic, but might be interested in the challenge, and if the board can sell them the dream.. How about Steve Cooper? Worked with Scott a few times, good understanding of working with young players.. Yes, will be expensive.. But what an appointment he would be
I like the Eustace idea , but I also think he's probably someone that holds out for a championship job? Will be someone that gets sacked in the next couple of weeks I'm sure.
Maybe a bit unrealistic, but might be interested in the challenge, and if the board can sell them the dream.. How about Steve Cooper? Worked with Scott a few times, good understanding of working with young players.. Yes, will be expensive.. But what an appointment he would be
I’d be shocked if we are fishing in that pond. The likes of Cooper and Potter will surely be next up for Palace
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I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
As Airman has tweeted, this does not look very good for their credibility at all. Even if (when?) he does go then it has pretty much undone all the good PR and morale stuff the new signings had done.
Scott and Methven must surely know that getting it wrong again means it's their necks in the (metaphorical) noose next.
And we know what that generally means......
In all those late goals we conceded I never saw one reaction from him. Not one recoil in frustration, anger or disappointment. It's just weird.
He gets offed and we get the points. Win win.
It’ll get howls of derision from some but Powell is the pick for me to get out of this mess. We need a bloke with Charlton in his blood and to get the feel good factor back.
Rylo will be my assistant and cfgs the fitness coach.
After many hours of discussions we have decided the best formation will be
4 4 4.
I have not seen this formation used before but we believe it will give us the best chance of success.
I look forward to having the backing of all the fans.
Onwards and upwards.
Hopefully it's simply because they want to control the news and get a replacement lined up first and not because they're actually keeping him.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-charlton-development-coach-jason-euell-has-applied-for-afc-wimbledon-job/
Plenty of Bristol City fans responding to this Tweet who seem to be pretty fond of him.
Also noticed a few mentioning recovery from recent back surgery, so perhaps that rules him out anyway?
He did come over as very driven and focused, almost obsessively so as shown by how he used his working out and tattoos to cope with losing his playing career at 27.
I was surprised how open he was about that with a stranger and knowing it could go into press.
I asked him to compare himself with Garner and Holden in terms of fan engagement (BG seeing it as a distraction, DH as vital) and he put himself in the middle. He saw the need to engage but also said he was very keen on having the time to do the other parts of his job. I would have placed him closer to Garner on that scale.
He also didn't seem too sold or not that bothered about the coach/technical director set up. Almost felt that he was going to do his job regardless of titles.
He became really animated talking about golf which he watches daily but plays not enough.
And he's aware that his physical image (shaved head, tattoos, muscles) might make some people think he's thick and he has played on that in meetings with executives.
I met Holden and liked him a lot more, met Garner and he was a quiet, unassuming guy, quite liked Appleton for his honesty and drive but it's not a popularity competition, it's about winning games and none of them did or are doing enough of that.
Treated pretty badly by Birmingham.