That's a mental amount of information to get on 1 relatively small wall. The idea that, that was signed off as a final design is more baffling every time I see it.
Think it would be better just to enlarge a photo from the day and put that on the wall or do a painting of one - if i'm totally honest, haven't we done the return to the valley thing to death now anyway - great day, great that wee returned but can't we turn it in on all that for a bit - either that or put a picture of the valley helpers football match on the wall - that would seem a great idea
Awful, just embarrassing. Is this a school project for the under 10's ? If we need a reminder of that great day what would be better than a large photo of Roger Alwen opening the gates.
Why are a very small number of fans deciding on this ?
Because a camel is a horse designed by a committee.
While I'm on the horse analogy I think CAST whilst well intentioned have got the horse before the cart and should have focused initially on selling the concept got the funding then worked with a small, group of fans to develop the creative brief and produce some creative concepts with could have been researched amongst the fan base before deciding on the final execution, which would not be approved of by all but would, hopefully have had a significant semblance of support.
Keep the boy with his descriptive scarf which explains the mural. Keep him sitting on dad's shoulders. Keep all the balloons. Keep the gates. Get rid of all other people and logos - exclude everyone rather than exclude no one.
A much cleaner image.
Perhaps behind where the blonde woman is, have Walsh striking the ball (to scale, on the pitch), with no other players on the pitch. The only recognisable person on the mural.
Then tidy up.. probably shuffle the boy/dad to the centre, and balloons on pitch to the right a bit.
These would be my opening suggestions in a whiteboard session, just kicking some ideas about based on the work as presented.
The arm holding the newspaper is spectacularly bad
To be fair to the artist, who we can see from her work on line is capable of far better, I think this was probably a quick "is this the sort of thing you want?" effort based on the elements she was asked to include in the brief rather than an example of what she can do.
The arm holding the newspaper is spectacularly bad
To be fair to the artist, who we can see from her work on line is capable of fair better, I think this was probably a quick "is this the sort of thing you want?" effort based on the elements she was asked to include in the brief rather than an example of what she can do.
Keep the boy with his descriptive scarf which explains the mural. Keep him sitting on dad's shoulders. Keep all the balloons. Keep the gates. Get rid of all other people and logos - exclude everyone rather than exclude no one.
A much cleaner image.
Perhaps behind where the blonde woman is, have Walsh striking the ball (to scale, on the pitch), with no other players on the pitch. The only recognisable person on the mural.
Then tidy up.. probably shuffle the boy/dad to the centre, and balloons on pitch to the right a bit.
These would be my opening suggestions in a whiteboard session, just kicking some ideas about based on the work as presented.
all good points, however IMO the focal point of anything should be the Covered end and not the away end
Can't it just be an image from the actual day with a little banner like the back to the Valley shirts banner. (Obviously remove the red outside the Charlton logo and banner
I think the time has come for the thread to be closed, CAST to state publicly that they understand the concerns and will, go back to the drawing board and consult on the development of the mural and following consultation will come up with a new design which will be researched carefully amongst the fan base. In the meantime we (CAST) appreciate the support for the concept of a BTTV mural and the input (which is very useful).
Seriously the message is clear concept great execution as portrayed wrong, we really dont need another 8 pages saying the same thing. Let CAST do it properly and comeback.
I think the time has come for the thread to be closed, CAST to state publicly that they understand the concerns and will, go back to the drawing board and consult on the development of the mural and following consultation will come up with a new design which will be researched carefully amongst the fan base. In the meantime we (CAST) appreciate the support for the concept of a BTTV mural and the input (which is very useful).
Seriously the message is clear concept great execution as portrayed wrong, we really dont need another 8 pages saying the same thing. Let CAST do it properly and comeback.
Don't see any need to close the thread.
Lots of interesting comments and suggestions still coming forward.
I think the time has come for the thread to be closed, CAST to state publicly that they understand the concerns and will, go back to the drawing board and consult on the development of the mural and following consultation will come up with a new design which will be researched carefully amongst the fan base. In the meantime we (CAST) appreciate the support for the concept of a BTTV mural and the input (which is very useful).
Seriously the message is clear concept great execution as portrayed wrong, we really dont need another 8 pages saying the same thing. Let CAST do it properly and comeback.
Don't see any need to close the thread.
Lots of interesting comments and suggestions still coming forward.
The fundamental question is "What is this mural trying to represent and honour?"
Is it the campaign to return to The Valley, and the individuals and bodies that helped achieve this? Is it the day of the return, the march, Alwen unlocking the gates, the balloons? Is it the match itself? Is it the 30/31 years since we returned?
You can't represent all of this in one mural, without it looking horribly messy and cluttered.
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While I'm on the horse analogy I think CAST whilst well intentioned have got the horse before the cart and should have focused initially on selling the concept got the funding then worked with a small, group of fans to develop the creative brief and produce some creative concepts with could have been researched amongst the fan base before deciding on the final execution, which would not be approved of by all but would, hopefully have had a significant semblance of support.
Working with what we've got...
Keep the boy with his descriptive scarf which explains the mural. Keep him sitting on dad's shoulders. Keep all the balloons. Keep the gates. Get rid of all other people and logos - exclude everyone rather than exclude no one.
A much cleaner image.
Perhaps behind where the blonde woman is, have Walsh striking the ball (to scale, on the pitch), with no other players on the pitch. The only recognisable person on the mural.
Then tidy up.. probably shuffle the boy/dad to the centre, and balloons on pitch to the right a bit.
These would be my opening suggestions in a whiteboard session, just kicking some ideas about based on the work as presented.
I doubt she expected it to be shared publicly.
Seriously the message is clear concept great execution as portrayed wrong, we really dont need another 8 pages saying the same thing. Let CAST do it properly and comeback.
Lots of interesting comments and suggestions still coming forward.
https://www.castrust.org/
Is it the campaign to return to The Valley, and the individuals and bodies that helped achieve this?
Is it the day of the return, the march, Alwen unlocking the gates, the balloons?
Is it the match itself?
Is it the 30/31 years since we returned?
You can't represent all of this in one mural, without it looking horribly messy and cluttered.