In the interest of saving the planet I was going to write the China Syndrome part 3 and recycle most if not all of what I said when Duchatelet took over and when it looked like it was Spiegal's group coming in the door.
Firstly, I come to bury Sandgaard, not to praise him.
He pulled us out the ESI mess, for which he deserves credit.
After that he deserves very little other than scorn.
Built some nice and much needed buildings at the training ground but failed to get Cat 1 status for the academy, which was the purpose of them. Note that Reading just got Cat 1 restored to them despite being league 1.
Sandgaard hasn't built a squad, largely because we've not had a manager start and finish the same season under him. He's decimated the non-playing staff, lost a lot skilled, experienced staff while encouraging a culture of bullying, vindictive hire and fire and nepotism.
He failed to appoint a proper CEO until Storrie was forced on him and PS only had to be competent to show just how much we've missed proper leadership for a decade.
And he played that God awful song.
So we have to move on from Sandgaard but are the people he's selling to any better?
Right now we can't know either way but even this optimist has doubts.
Hopefully the convoluted ownership will be explained when the takeover is finalised. The rumours are that there are nine groups, all with multiple members.
Three, Friedman, Breber and Rosenfeld will, if the rumours are true (which is always a big risk to assume) hold 23.3% each. The remaining 30% will be split between the Singapore soccer school, Marc Boyan's marketing and bartering business and a number of other smaller investors which will probably include Charlie Methvan and perhaps someone from Lanaghan family late of Oxford Utd and Wigan Warriors.
Maybe not having one big ego owner (see RD and TS) will temper the map cap ideas.
But it could also mean that decision making becomes over complicated. But in our premier years we had a very large board and had success so it can work. But then the board were all fans and we had another supporter as CEO. And Varney's job managing all those directors wasn't easy.
The other way of looking at it is that with no one big owner the decision making is left to the Chairman and CEO which sounds like a good thing IF IF IF we have a good Chairman and CEO but we're likely to get Charlie Methvan. Maybe he's realised, after his time at Sunderland, that he's not a people manager and will take a back seat. But he will be involved.
I fully expect some money to be spent. The new owners will want to make a splash. May's deal was being delayed until the takeover but Leaburn's injury made it a priority. Other good players will come in and fans, me included, will be more optimistic about what could happen on the pitch. A few signings cheers everyone up, even Golfie for a few minutes.
And if we didn't have some small piece of hope somewhere in our hearts that this year, this ownership, would be the one to turn things around we couldn't be football fans. Even the most vocally negative fans (you know who you are) hope for better.
And some will say "All I care about is what happens on the pitch" which is understandable but what happens in the board room impacts directly onto playing performance so we can't separate the two. We need stable and forward looking management at Sparrows Lane and at the Valley for the club to progress. Can this new consortium offer that for not just one year but for seasons and seasons, some of which will not bring glory but will mean the owners putting another £8m plus into the club every 12 months?
Slater and Jimenez achieved a lot with Varney, Kavanagh and Powell and we were all set for a bright future.
Only they had sold a lie to the money man, Kevin Cash, and when they went back to him asking for more cash (pun intended) he said "no" and Powell's plan's for the 2012/13 season collapsed. We still nearly made the play-offs but it couldn't last.
I fear that Methvan, like the PR man he is, has oversold the club and just how difficult and expensive it is to get sustained success in English football.
The new owners are all experienced business people you say, they wouldn't fall for that.
Well, Kevin Cash did and both Duchatelet and Sandgaard thought that football was easy and that their business genius would be enough. And they are all three successful business men.
I might very well be wrong, maybe everything is open and clear and the new guys realise that it won't be easy or cheap to run Charlton, I really hope that is the case.
I bought my season ticket months ago, I'll be there regardless and I really think in Holden we have a good manager who just needs backing. And I believe that the support is there. Give us a team to cheer and gates will increase. Not enough to fill the Valley as Thomas thought but enough for league 1 football.
But please give us a long term plan and long term hope not more fantasies about break even or finding a new way to run a club that no one else has tried.
And please under promise and over deliver for a change.
Usual bollox , unless you think everything is rosey you’re a wrong un , let’s suck the genitalia of anyone who buys our club . 10 seasons in 15 in league one 4 in the previous 74 years it’s a proper crock of shit we’ve been living through in recent times .That’s why punters are fucked off with it all no matter what crank wants to own us .
If they make money legitimately out of charlton I’ll eat my chocolate underpants
Play off failure for those who don’t know about it , 2010 Charlton lose on pens to Swindon , 1996 we lost to palace in the semi
still a good hour and a half speed reading on the bog to catch up , a deja vu of every time airman tentatively accused previous clownership of heading south , the same blinkered few wouldn’t have it . He’s more cautious than most on the new lot , well to me (a genuine pessimist) it carries a lot more weight than anyone else’s opinion but if I was of an optimistic persuasion I would glide past it with an online Nescafé wave ✊ on the way through , like I do to most posters on here in my fucked up head .
In the interest of saving the planet I was going to write the China Syndrome part 3 and recycle most if not all of what I said when Duchatelet took over and when it looked like it was Spiegal's group coming in the door.
Firstly, I come to bury Sandgaard, not to praise him.
He pulled us out the ESI mess, for which he deserves credit.
After that he deserves very little other than scorn.
Built some nice and much needed buildings at the training ground but failed to get Cat 1 status for the academy, which was the purpose of them. Note that Reading just got Cat 1 restored to them despite being league 1.
Sandgaard hasn't built a squad, largely because we've not had a manager start and finish the same season under him. He's decimated the non-playing staff, lost a lot skilled, experienced staff while encouraging a culture of bullying, vindictive hire and fire and nepotism.
He failed to appoint a proper CEO until Storrie was forced on him and PS only had to be competent to show just how much we've missed proper leadership for a decade.
And he played that God awful song.
So we have to move on from Sandgaard but are the people he's selling to any better?
Right now we can't know either way but even this optimist has doubts.
Hopefully the convoluted ownership will be explained when the takeover is finalised. The rumours are that there are nine groups, all with multiple members.
Three, Friedman, Breber and Rosenfeld will, if the rumours are true (which is always a big risk to assume) hold 23.3% each. The remaining 30% will be split between the Singapore soccer school, Marc Boyan's marketing and bartering business and a number of other smaller investors which will probably include Charlie Methvan and perhaps someone from Lanaghan family late of Oxford Utd and Wigan Warriors.
Maybe not having one big ego owner (see RD and TS) will temper the map cap ideas.
But it could also mean that decision making becomes over complicated. But in our premier years we had a very large board and had success so it can work. But then the board were all fans and we had another supporter as CEO. And Varney's job managing all those directors wasn't easy.
The other way of looking at it is that with no one big owner the decision making is left to the Chairman and CEO which sounds like a good thing IF IF IF we have a good Chairman and CEO but we're likely to get Charlie Methvan. Maybe he's realised, after his time at Sunderland, that he's not a people manager and will take a back seat. But he will be involved.
I fully expect some money to be spent. The new owners will want to make a splash. May's deal was being delayed until the takeover but Leaburn's injury made it a priority. Other good players will come in and fans, me included, will be more optimistic about what could happen on the pitch. A few signings cheers everyone up, even Golfie for a few minutes.
And if we didn't have some small piece of hope somewhere in our hearts that this year, this ownership, would be the one to turn things around we couldn't be football fans. Even the most vocally negative fans (you know who you are) hope for better.
And some will say "All I care about is what happens on the pitch" which is understandable but what happens in the board room impacts directly onto playing performance so we can't separate the two. We need stable and forward looking management at Sparrows Lane and at the Valley for the club to progress. Can this new consortium offer that for not just one year but for seasons and seasons, some of which will not bring glory but will mean the owners putting another £8m plus into the club every 12 months?
Slater and Jimenez achieved a lot with Varney, Kavanagh and Powell and we were all set for a bright future.
Only they had sold a lie to the money man, Kevin Cash, and when they went back to him asking for more cash (pun intended) he said "no" and Powell's plan's for the 2012/13 season collapsed. We still nearly made the play-offs but it couldn't last.
I fear that Methvan, like the PR man he is, has oversold the club and just how difficult and expensive it is to get sustained success in English football.
The new owners are all experienced business people you say, they wouldn't fall for that.
Well, Kevin Cash did and both Duchatelet and Sandgaard thought that football was easy and that their business genius would be enough. And they are all three successful business men.
I might very well be wrong, maybe everything is open and clear and the new guys realise that it won't be easy or cheap to run Charlton, I really hope that is the case.
I bought my season ticket months ago, I'll be there regardless and I really think in Holden we have a good manager who just needs backing. And I believe that the support is there. Give us a team to cheer and gates will increase. Not enough to fill the Valley as Thomas thought but enough for league 1 football.
But please give us a long term plan and long term hope not more fantasies about break even or finding a new way to run a club that no one else has tried.
And please under promise and over deliver for a change.
Thank you Clive and Ben. Level headed approach. Makes sense and lets hope things go in the football club and fans favour for the first time since the Prem days.
In the interest of saving the planet I was going to write the China Syndrome part 3 and recycle most if not all of what I said when Duchatelet took over and when it looked like it was Spiegal's group coming in the door.
Firstly, I come to bury Sandgaard, not to praise him.
He pulled us out the ESI mess, for which he deserves credit.
After that he deserves very little other than scorn.
Built some nice and much needed buildings at the training ground but failed to get Cat 1 status for the academy, which was the purpose of them. Note that Reading just got Cat 1 restored to them despite being league 1.
Sandgaard hasn't built a squad, largely because we've not had a manager start and finish the same season under him. He's decimated the non-playing staff, lost a lot skilled, experienced staff while encouraging a culture of bullying, vindictive hire and fire and nepotism.
He failed to appoint a proper CEO until Storrie was forced on him and PS only had to be competent to show just how much we've missed proper leadership for a decade.
And he played that God awful song.
So we have to move on from Sandgaard but are the people he's selling to any better?
Right now we can't know either way but even this optimist has doubts.
Hopefully the convoluted ownership will be explained when the takeover is finalised. The rumours are that there are nine groups, all with multiple members.
Three, Friedman, Breber and Rosenfeld will, if the rumours are true (which is always a big risk to assume) hold 23.3% each. The remaining 30% will be split between the Singapore soccer school, Marc Boyan's marketing and bartering business and a number of other smaller investors which will probably include Charlie Methvan and perhaps someone from Lanaghan family late of Oxford Utd and Wigan Warriors.
Maybe not having one big ego owner (see RD and TS) will temper the map cap ideas.
But it could also mean that decision making becomes over complicated. But in our premier years we had a very large board and had success so it can work. But then the board were all fans and we had another supporter as CEO. And Varney's job managing all those directors wasn't easy.
The other way of looking at it is that with no one big owner the decision making is left to the Chairman and CEO which sounds like a good thing IF IF IF we have a good Chairman and CEO but we're likely to get Charlie Methvan. Maybe he's realised, after his time at Sunderland, that he's not a people manager and will take a back seat. But he will be involved.
I fully expect some money to be spent. The new owners will want to make a splash. May's deal was being delayed until the takeover but Leaburn's injury made it a priority. Other good players will come in and fans, me included, will be more optimistic about what could happen on the pitch. A few signings cheers everyone up, even Golfie for a few minutes.
And if we didn't have some small piece of hope somewhere in our hearts that this year, this ownership, would be the one to turn things around we couldn't be football fans. Even the most vocally negative fans (you know who you are) hope for better.
And some will say "All I care about is what happens on the pitch" which is understandable but what happens in the board room impacts directly onto playing performance so we can't separate the two. We need stable and forward looking management at Sparrows Lane and at the Valley for the club to progress. Can this new consortium offer that for not just one year but for seasons and seasons, some of which will not bring glory but will mean the owners putting another £8m plus into the club every 12 months?
Slater and Jimenez achieved a lot with Varney, Kavanagh and Powell and we were all set for a bright future.
Only they had sold a lie to the money man, Kevin Cash, and when they went back to him asking for more cash (pun intended) he said "no" and Powell's plan's for the 2012/13 season collapsed. We still nearly made the play-offs but it couldn't last.
I fear that Methvan, like the PR man he is, has oversold the club and just how difficult and expensive it is to get sustained success in English football.
The new owners are all experienced business people you say, they wouldn't fall for that.
Well, Kevin Cash did and both Duchatelet and Sandgaard thought that football was easy and that their business genius would be enough. And they are all three successful business men.
I might very well be wrong, maybe everything is open and clear and the new guys realise that it won't be easy or cheap to run Charlton, I really hope that is the case.
I bought my season ticket months ago, I'll be there regardless and I really think in Holden we have a good manager who just needs backing. And I believe that the support is there. Give us a team to cheer and gates will increase. Not enough to fill the Valley as Thomas thought but enough for league 1 football.
But please give us a long term plan and long term hope not more fantasies about break even or finding a new way to run a club that no one else has tried.
And please under promise and over deliver for a change.
Charlie Methven started his career as a journalist on the Racing Post, so he is fully aware that many wealthy people like a punt and nearly all racing owners lose lots of money pursuing their hobby in search of that elusive top class horse. I suggest that these new owners know that is going to happen at Charlton. The issue will be how long they are prepared to sustain those losses and whether they feel they are getting enough of a buzz or emotional satisfaction from being an owner. Results on the pitch will be important for all of us and them - and not just from a financial perspective.
Your "Bitter old man" comment to Airman Brown was like the OTT tackle from Ryan Inniss against Wimbledon. You then compounded it by having a dig at Peter Varney 🤦🏻♂️
Not surprising that Rick is Cynical and yes being the probing journalist since he was in sixth form at grammar school in Sidcup and being editor of VOTV that was Rick's remit.
Is he out of sync with many on here now ? It appears so but I respect what Rick has done for Cafc over many decades and sure he can be criticised for being too negative but hardly surprising with our track record of owners.
No problem with points being made in a forth right manner but why does it have to get personal ?
In the interest of saving the planet I was going to write the China Syndrome part 3 and recycle most if not all of what I said when Duchatelet took over and when it looked like it was Spiegal's group coming in the door.
Firstly, I come to bury Sandgaard, not to praise him.
He pulled us out the ESI mess, for which he deserves credit.
After that he deserves very little other than scorn.
Built some nice and much needed buildings at the training ground but failed to get Cat 1 status for the academy, which was the purpose of them. Note that Reading just got Cat 1 restored to them despite being league 1.
Sandgaard hasn't built a squad, largely because we've not had a manager start and finish the same season under him. He's decimated the non-playing staff, lost a lot skilled, experienced staff while encouraging a culture of bullying, vindictive hire and fire and nepotism.
He failed to appoint a proper CEO until Storrie was forced on him and PS only had to be competent to show just how much we've missed proper leadership for a decade.
And he played that God awful song.
So we have to move on from Sandgaard but are the people he's selling to any better?
Right now we can't know either way but even this optimist has doubts.
Hopefully the convoluted ownership will be explained when the takeover is finalised. The rumours are that there are nine groups, all with multiple members.
Three, Friedman, Breber and Rosenfeld will, if the rumours are true (which is always a big risk to assume) hold 23.3% each. The remaining 30% will be split between the Singapore soccer school, Marc Boyan's marketing and bartering business and a number of other smaller investors which will probably include Charlie Methvan and perhaps someone from Lanaghan family late of Oxford Utd and Wigan Warriors.
Maybe not having one big ego owner (see RD and TS) will temper the map cap ideas.
But it could also mean that decision making becomes over complicated. But in our premier years we had a very large board and had success so it can work. But then the board were all fans and we had another supporter as CEO. And Varney's job managing all those directors wasn't easy.
The other way of looking at it is that with no one big owner the decision making is left to the Chairman and CEO which sounds like a good thing IF IF IF we have a good Chairman and CEO but we're likely to get Charlie Methvan. Maybe he's realised, after his time at Sunderland, that he's not a people manager and will take a back seat. But he will be involved.
I fully expect some money to be spent. The new owners will want to make a splash. May's deal was being delayed until the takeover but Leaburn's injury made it a priority. Other good players will come in and fans, me included, will be more optimistic about what could happen on the pitch. A few signings cheers everyone up, even Golfie for a few minutes.
And if we didn't have some small piece of hope somewhere in our hearts that this year, this ownership, would be the one to turn things around we couldn't be football fans. Even the most vocally negative fans (you know who you are) hope for better.
And some will say "All I care about is what happens on the pitch" which is understandable but what happens in the board room impacts directly onto playing performance so we can't separate the two. We need stable and forward looking management at Sparrows Lane and at the Valley for the club to progress. Can this new consortium offer that for not just one year but for seasons and seasons, some of which will not bring glory but will mean the owners putting another £8m plus into the club every 12 months?
Slater and Jimenez achieved a lot with Varney, Kavanagh and Powell and we were all set for a bright future.
Only they had sold a lie to the money man, Kevin Cash, and when they went back to him asking for more cash (pun intended) he said "no" and Powell's plan's for the 2012/13 season collapsed. We still nearly made the play-offs but it couldn't last.
I fear that Methvan, like the PR man he is, has oversold the club and just how difficult and expensive it is to get sustained success in English football.
The new owners are all experienced business people you say, they wouldn't fall for that.
Well, Kevin Cash did and both Duchatelet and Sandgaard thought that football was easy and that their business genius would be enough. And they are all three successful business men.
I might very well be wrong, maybe everything is open and clear and the new guys realise that it won't be easy or cheap to run Charlton, I really hope that is the case.
I bought my season ticket months ago, I'll be there regardless and I really think in Holden we have a good manager who just needs backing. And I believe that the support is there. Give us a team to cheer and gates will increase. Not enough to fill the Valley as Thomas thought but enough for league 1 football.
But please give us a long term plan and long term hope not more fantasies about break even or finding a new way to run a club that no one else has tried.
And please under promise and over deliver for a change.
Thank you Clive and Ben. Level headed approach. Makes sense and lets hope things go in the football club and fans favour for the first time since the Prem days.
Funny enough I never read it when Henners first posted it.
(Joke!)
I think it pretty much sums up where your run of the mill majority Charlton fan sits. With this new lot, I suppose it all depends on what you're hankering for.. Charlton of the past. Things done exactly as they was during the successful years and running as close to that. I think the game has changed a lot since then so might not be as smooth.
Or are you looking at a Brentford or Burnley with a different but sensible model and thinking I want a bit of that?
A key point of CMs interview with Prague for me was him saying that if the group were all about making money they wouldn't be buyig the club. This is important as it resonates with a key point Airman is making. Of course, it is only words but if we are going to latch onto things that suggest they are wronguns or indeed oblivious to the traps, we ought to be open to things that suggest otherwise.
I am looking for signings in the coming weeks that re-inforce my optimism. The short term is all we should focus on now as fans as that can influence the medium and long terms. If we had gone up in the first season under Adkins, we could be in a totally different situation now. Who knows, but we know the way the league is, this is a good time for a push. We know we have some good youngsters coming through who could sustain a further push if we make the initial one this season. Obviously the key word is 'could' in all of this. It is a word I base my optimism on though.
I might be slightly more optimistic if I knew who the owners were or even which offshore tax haven they were hiding in.
And if I was a ruthless PR professional purchasing a football club, I would ensure that my chosen messaging and narrative was aggressively pushed via fan forums, even if that meant discrediting trusted stalwarts of the club.
I might be slightly more optimistic if I knew who the owners were or even which offshore tax haven they were hiding in.
And if I was a ruthless PR professional purchasing a football club, I would ensure that my chosen messaging and narrative was aggressively pushed via fan forums, even if that meant discrediting trusted stalwarts of the club.
We know who the owners are Friedman , Berber are the two main men
Friedman family 33.5% Berber 33.5%
Global Football Holdings 33%
Global holdings include ACA appox 10% and rest split between 5 individuals including CM
Comments
Firstly, I come to bury Sandgaard, not to praise him.
He pulled us out the ESI mess, for which he deserves credit.
After that he deserves very little other than scorn.
Built some nice and much needed buildings at the training ground but failed to get Cat 1 status for the academy, which was the purpose of them. Note that Reading just got Cat 1 restored to them despite being league 1.
Sandgaard hasn't built a squad, largely because we've not had a manager start and finish the same season under him. He's decimated the non-playing staff, lost a lot skilled, experienced staff while encouraging a culture of bullying, vindictive hire and fire and nepotism.
He failed to appoint a proper CEO until Storrie was forced on him and PS only had to be competent to show just how much we've missed proper leadership for a decade.
And he played that God awful song.
So we have to move on from Sandgaard but are the people he's selling to any better?
Right now we can't know either way but even this optimist has doubts.
Hopefully the convoluted ownership will be explained when the takeover is finalised. The rumours are that there are nine groups, all with multiple members.
Three, Friedman, Breber and Rosenfeld will, if the rumours are true (which is always a big risk to assume) hold 23.3% each. The remaining 30% will be split between the Singapore soccer school, Marc Boyan's marketing and bartering business and a number of other smaller investors which will probably include Charlie Methvan and perhaps someone from Lanaghan family late of Oxford Utd and Wigan Warriors.
Maybe not having one big ego owner (see RD and TS) will temper the map cap ideas.
But it could also mean that decision making becomes over complicated. But in our premier years we had a very large board and had success so it can work. But then the board were all fans and we had another supporter as CEO. And Varney's job managing all those directors wasn't easy.
The other way of looking at it is that with no one big owner the decision making is left to the Chairman and CEO which sounds like a good thing IF IF IF we have a good Chairman and CEO but we're likely to get Charlie Methvan. Maybe he's realised, after his time at Sunderland, that he's not a people manager and will take a back seat. But he will be involved.
I fully expect some money to be spent. The new owners will want to make a splash. May's deal was being delayed until the takeover but Leaburn's injury made it a priority. Other good players will come in and fans, me included, will be more optimistic about what could happen on the pitch. A few signings cheers everyone up, even Golfie for a few minutes.
And if we didn't have some small piece of hope somewhere in our hearts that this year, this ownership, would be the one to turn things around we couldn't be football fans. Even the most vocally negative fans (you know who you are) hope for better.
And some will say "All I care about is what happens on the pitch" which is understandable but what happens in the board room impacts directly onto playing performance so we can't separate the two. We need stable and forward looking management at Sparrows Lane and at the Valley for the club to progress. Can this new consortium offer that for not just one year but for seasons and seasons, some of which will not bring glory but will mean the owners putting another £8m plus into the club every 12 months?
Slater and Jimenez achieved a lot with Varney, Kavanagh and Powell and we were all set for a bright future.
Only they had sold a lie to the money man, Kevin Cash, and when they went back to him asking for more cash (pun intended) he said "no" and Powell's plan's for the 2012/13 season collapsed. We still nearly made the play-offs but it couldn't last.
I fear that Methvan, like the PR man he is, has oversold the club and just how difficult and expensive it is to get sustained success in English football.
The new owners are all experienced business people you say, they wouldn't fall for that.
Well, Kevin Cash did and both Duchatelet and Sandgaard thought that football was easy and that their business genius would be enough. And they are all three successful business men.
I might very well be wrong, maybe everything is open and clear and the new guys realise that it won't be easy or cheap to run Charlton, I really hope that is the case.
I bought my season ticket months ago, I'll be there regardless and I really think in Holden we have a good manager who just needs backing. And I believe that the support is there. Give us a team to cheer and gates will increase. Not enough to fill the Valley as Thomas thought but enough for league 1 football.
But please give us a long term plan and long term hope not more fantasies about break even or finding a new way to run a club that no one else has tried.
And please under promise and over deliver for a change.
No good reason, just fancy a change of scene.
Your "Bitter old man" comment to Airman Brown was like the OTT tackle from Ryan Inniss against Wimbledon.
You then compounded it by having a dig at Peter Varney 🤦🏻♂️
Not surprising that Rick is Cynical and yes being the probing journalist since he was in sixth form at grammar school in Sidcup and being editor of VOTV that was Rick's remit.
Is he out of sync with many on here now ?
It appears so but I respect what Rick has done for Cafc over many decades and sure he can be criticised for being too negative but hardly surprising with our track record of owners.
No problem with points being made in a forth right manner but why does it have to get personal ?
Anyway, hopefully todays the day we wrap this all up and can actually start looking forward to a decent season.
Spot on.
The only opinion that really matters
Is Shay Given !
(Joke!)
I think it pretty much sums up where your run of the mill majority Charlton fan sits.
With this new lot, I suppose it all depends on what you're hankering for..
Charlton of the past. Things done exactly as they was during the successful years and running as close to that. I think the game has changed a lot since then so might not be as smooth.
Or are you looking at a Brentford or Burnley with a different but sensible model and thinking I want a bit of that?
I am looking for signings in the coming weeks that re-inforce my optimism. The short term is all we should focus on now as fans as that can influence the medium and long terms. If we had gone up in the first season under Adkins, we could be in a totally different situation now. Who knows, but we know the way the league is, this is a good time for a push. We know we have some good youngsters coming through who could sustain a further push if we make the initial one this season. Obviously the key word is 'could' in all of this. It is a word I base my optimism on though.
I might be slightly more optimistic if I knew who the owners were or even which offshore tax haven they were hiding in.
And if I was a ruthless PR professional purchasing a football club, I would ensure that my chosen messaging and narrative was aggressively pushed via fan forums, even if that meant discrediting trusted stalwarts of the club.
Friedman , Berber are the two main men
Friedman family 33.5%
Berber 33.5%