All well and good getting Kirk off the books but there has to be a replacement for him lined up otherwise we're very light wide for a side that wants to play 433.
Not convinced we’ll get a winger in, Campbell is Kirk’s replacement.
That’s not a bad thing, he clearly has potential to do well at this level and looks a better fit for a Holden side. We need pace and energy on the wings, Kirk’s a low tempo player suited to a possession side.
He's a 19 year old kid. I wouldn't want to play him every week if JRS or CBT got injured. We NEED more cover than that.
Why not? JRS is 20, Leaburn is 19 and Ness is 20.
As long as he’s genuinely good enough and not thrown in like Clayden was or others like Kennedy in the RD years it’s not an issue.
It’s sensible to move bigger earners on who aren’t good enough or suited rather than waste money on them being back up.
If we had more to play for I’d want more experience but this is a good opportunity to help Campbell develop ahead of next season. We can then assess whether he should go on loan or can be part of the first team squad.
Just seen an Inside Football article saying that there is interest in Lyle Taylor from un- named clubs. His contract is up in June. Looks like a bit of a desperation in the piece- either the Nott. F. placed it to create interest because they want to move him on(which there was a piece in Dec that suggested that), or his agent because he wants to go and nobody is enquiring.
Would his ego let him drop down to League 1 mid table !
It's mad that we've got so many players in some positions that we're having to trim the squad and yet we only had one senior left-back at the start of the season.
It's a madness that if, all rumours are true, we are having a complete overall in the January window, Chunes. Look at our wide players, apart from Campbell, losing anyone of them is a bonus, Blackett Taylor, DJ and Kirk would not get in a top six side.
Would Corey Blackett get in a top six squad though?
The same for the rest of the squad. You might argue that 4 or 5 of them are good enough for a top 6 team (2 are only on loan though) and 5 or 6 aren't good enough, for different reasons, for our squad. The other 10, or so, are perfectly serviceable league 1 players. The problem is for one reason or another they start for us more often than not.
I still think that you replace the worst 5 with a best 5 and we wouldn't be that far off. The problem is, of course, that our best 5 include 2 loans and the only sellable assets, which means in reality you need to sign at best 10. Again.
It's mad that we've got so many players in some positions that we're having to trim the squad and yet we only had one senior left-back at the start of the season.
It's a madness that if, all rumours are true, we are having a complete overall in the January window, Chunes. Look at our wide players, apart from Campbell, losing anyone of them is a bonus, Blackett Taylor, DJ and Kirk would not get in a top six side.
Would Corey Blackett get in a top six squad though?
The same for the rest of the squad. You might argue that 4 or 5 of them are good enough for a top 6 team (2 are only on loan though) and 5 or 6 aren't good enough, for different reasons, for our squad. The other 10, or so, are perfectly serviceable league 1 players. The problem is for one reason or another they start for us more often than not.
I still think that you replace the worst 5 with a best 5 and we wouldn't be that far off. The problem is, of course, that our best 5 include 2 loans and the only sellable assets, which means in reality you need to sign a best 10. Again.
I think, with the signings made, another centre half and a forward, we probably be close to a good starting eleven but the team has to play together and Bolton are a good example of patient team building.
Expect DJ to follow Kirk and Stockley out the door today as well then .... sounds like a good clear out by Holden and not carrying any passengers.
My cynical side says at it stands, it looks like primarily a cost reduction exercise to me. Get senior players off wage bill and cover with cheaper loans
Assuming that link on players salaries, shared the other day, was correct, off loading Kirk with save £5k a week, not sure where Stockley was on it, but woulda thought he'd be on around the same
Very doubtful that a club would pay 100% wages on a loan player.
Assuming that link on players salaries, shared the other day, was correct, off loading Kirk with save £5k a week, not sure where Stockley was on it, but woulda thought he'd be on around the same
It only saves 5k a week if Burton pay all of it...
Expect DJ to follow Kirk and Stockley out the door today as well then .... sounds like a good clear out by Holden and not carrying any passengers.
My cynical side says at it stands, it looks like primarily a cost reduction exercise to me. Get senior players off wage bill and cover with cheaper loans
Only 1 loan spot left although obviously we can sign more but can only have 5 in the matchday squad. I can see 3/4 leaving and 1 coming in.
Expect DJ to follow Kirk and Stockley out the door today as well then .... sounds like a good clear out by Holden and not carrying any passengers.
My cynical side says at it stands, it looks like primarily a cost reduction exercise to me. Get senior players off wage bill and cover with cheaper loans
Whilst I agree - the 3 x billionaire owners mean we don't need to save the money surely
To be honest, we don't need a physically imposing midfielder in so much as we need control. Our midfield has some good players in it but it's so reactive. Dobson putting in a great tackle because an attacker has gone clear, Fraser breaking the lines with some good footwork, maybe a quick searching ball from Morgan. All good stuff but sudden. We very rarely see stuff happen as the result of a platform we've built from controlling the game in the middle. We've got Dobson to go around kicking people and Fraser to come up with some moments of brilliance but we need a midfielder alongside them who can keep the game ticking over while being able to hold his space and win the ball where needed, or at least cover the gaps created by a fullback going or an attack breaking down. I know absolutely nothing about Kilkenny so I don't know if he's that player, but while Albie has some good attributes he just doesn't know how to play to the full extent of his role. He's often caught in odd positions and has trouble resetting on a turnover. It's no surprise that Albie's best games where when Bowyer put him as a wide midfielder in a 4 and told him to stay narrow, put in challenges and play the ball early when he gets it.
If we had money I’d be seeing if we could get Bauer back. Currently not playing at PNE
Would take him back in a heartbeat, he still absolutely loves Charlton too. Sadly he is on nearly double anyone in our squad.
This is football Politics: Patrick Bauer is on a wage outside CAFC remit; his family are settled in a decent part of Lancs, and we are in League 1. BFG is injury prone as well and I wonder if it's best to remember him from the better days on the field at least.
Jayden Stockley is on a wage higher than he is worth on this seasons form. (Last season a different matter) so it's catch 22 trying to move him on.
Yes I known Paul Mullins dropped two divisions after Cambridge were promoted to League 1 but that wasn't just for his love of Hollywood and Wrexham but his wages were commensurate with going to a big club in League 1 like Sheffield Wednesday.
After seeing Mullins performance against Sheffield United and the fact he has scored 60 goals in 78 matches in the National League he is worth every dollar spent.
It's mad that we've got so many players in some positions that we're having to trim the squad and yet we only had one senior left-back at the start of the season.
It's a madness that if, all rumours are true, we are having a complete overall in the January window, Chunes. Look at our wide players, apart from Campbell, losing anyone of them is a bonus, Blackett Taylor, DJ and Kirk would not get in a top six side.
Would Corey Blackett get in a top six squad though?
The same for the rest of the squad. You might argue that 4 or 5 of them are good enough for a top 6 team (2 are only on loan though) and 5 or 6 aren't good enough, for different reasons, for our squad. The other 10, or so, are perfectly serviceable league 1 players. The problem is for one reason or another they start for us more often than not.
I still think that you replace the worst 5 with a best 5 and we wouldn't be that far off. The problem is, of course, that our best 5 include 2 loans and the only sellable assets, which means in reality you need to sign a best 10. Again.
I think, with the signings made, another centre half and a forward, we probably be close to a good starting eleven but the team has to play together and Bolton are a good example of patient team building.
Bolton as you say are a team that has been built over time. They aren't fantastic, but are working as a unit, something we aspire to do. They are effective without having flair. They just made passing look simple and found their men time and time again, something we seem to struggle to do (often enough - in danger positions).
Even Bolton who I'd swap squads with tomorrow, are a way off Plymouth, Wednesday and Ipswich.
Its so depressing starting the season on the back foot, struggling through until January, patch up with sticky tape in the window, rinse and repeat. When will this ever end?
For me, supporting Charlton has been like being the owner of a dog that barks with no real effort, chews your slippers, tiddles on you floor (sometimes worse) and knows no tricks, but every now and then, will impress you with their guile by making you feel safe by fronting up to a bunch of pricks in the park giving it large, sending them packing with their tails between their legs.
I don't want a new dog, I love the one I have, just wish it would be a bit more like the good ones on the telly.
Fortunately for Cafc, Mark Bright is the go between for Rak Sakyi and his form has been good for Cafc as he gets more games. If he was a Chelsea player, they would've moved him on to Championship club for the second part of the season.
Expect DJ to follow Kirk and Stockley out the door today as well then .... sounds like a good clear out by Holden and not carrying any passengers.
My cynical side says at it stands, it looks like primarily a cost reduction exercise to me. Get senior players off wage bill and cover with cheaper loans
I agree but is that a bad thing? They aren’t players I want here next season. I don’t expect TS to pay fees while there’s a potential takeover. January isn’t the time for a big rebuild either. We don’t even know if Holden will be here next season.
Expect DJ to follow Kirk and Stockley out the door today as well then .... sounds like a good clear out by Holden and not carrying any passengers.
My cynical side says at it stands, it looks like primarily a cost reduction exercise to me. Get senior players off wage bill and cover with cheaper loans
It could be both honestly. Yes we're clearing out some big wages and trying to shift baggage BUT if those players aren't featuring anyway then it's better they go rather than players we do actually have use for.
It's not ideal but hardly unexpected or THAT worrisome in and of itself.
Offloading Stockley, Kirk and DJ will be a good start ahead of a wider rebuild in the summer. None are going to move us forward so get their wages back to spend elsewhere
Expect DJ to follow Kirk and Stockley out the door today as well then .... sounds like a good clear out by Holden and not carrying any passengers.
My cynical side says at it stands, it looks like primarily a cost reduction exercise to me. Get senior players off wage bill and cover with cheaper loans
Offloading Stockley, Kirk and DJ will be a good start ahead of a wider rebuild in the summer. None are going to move us forward so get their wages back to spend elsewhere
Our squad is far from massive. If we ship out four and bring in one then we’re very much relying on everyone staying fit. Look at how many on here think the season is over. What happens if the squad starts thinking like that, especially if we lose Dobbo or Leaburn. We have several players out of contract this summer. It’s far easier to go on a losing streak than a winning one and I guarantee the teams below us won’t see us as out of reach, especially with the disruption and injuries we frequently seem to suffer from.
Offloading Stockley, Kirk and DJ will be a good start ahead of a wider rebuild in the summer. None are going to move us forward so get their wages back to spend elsewhere
Offloading Stockley, Kirk and DJ will be a good start ahead of a wider rebuild in the summer. None are going to move us forward so get their wages back to spend elsewhere
Not if we just loan them out (as with McGrandles) as they'll be back in the summer.
All well and good getting Kirk off the books but there has to be a replacement for him lined up otherwise we're very light wide for a side that wants to play 433.
Not convinced we’ll get a winger in, Campbell is Kirk’s replacement.
That’s not a bad thing, he clearly has potential to do well at this level and looks a better fit for a Holden side. We need pace and energy on the wings, Kirk’s a low tempo player suited to a possession side.
He's a 19 year old kid. I wouldn't want to play him every week if JRS or CBT got injured. We NEED more cover than that.
Why not? JRS is 20, Leaburn is 19 and Ness is 20.
As long as he’s genuinely good enough and not thrown in like Clayden was or others like Kennedy in the RD years it’s not an issue.
It’s sensible to move bigger earners on who aren’t good enough or suited rather than waste money on them being back up.
If we had more to play for I’d want more experience but this is a good opportunity to help Campbell develop ahead of next season. We can then assess whether he should go on loan or can be part of the first team squad.
But is he good enough? He's got some talent of course, but Bolton dealt with him very easily. He's very raw.
Yes I want him to get games, but I don't want us to be (again) in a situation where we're overplaying kids because we have no choice, which does neither us or them any good.
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As long as he’s genuinely good enough and not thrown in like Clayden was or others like Kennedy in the RD years it’s not an issue.
It’s sensible to move bigger earners on who aren’t good enough or suited rather than waste money on them being back up.
If we had more to play for I’d want more experience but this is a good opportunity to help Campbell develop ahead of next season. We can then assess whether he should go on loan or can be part of the first team squad.
The same for the rest of the squad. You might argue that 4 or 5 of them are good enough for a top 6 team (2 are only on loan though) and 5 or 6 aren't good enough, for different reasons, for our squad. The other 10, or so, are perfectly serviceable league 1 players. The problem is for one reason or another they start for us more often than not.
I still think that you replace the worst 5 with a best 5 and we wouldn't be that far off. The problem is, of course, that our best 5 include 2 loans and the only sellable assets, which means in reality you need to sign at best 10. Again.
This is football Politics:
Patrick Bauer is on a wage outside CAFC remit; his family are settled in a decent part of Lancs, and we are in League 1. BFG is injury prone as well and I wonder if it's best to remember him from the better days on the field at least.
Jayden Stockley is on a wage higher than he is worth on this seasons form. (Last season a different matter) so it's catch 22 trying to move him on.
Yes I known Paul Mullins dropped two divisions after Cambridge were promoted to League 1 but that wasn't just for his love of Hollywood and Wrexham but his wages were commensurate with going to a big club in League 1 like Sheffield Wednesday.
After seeing Mullins performance against Sheffield United and the fact he has scored 60 goals in 78 matches in the National League he is worth every dollar spent.
Even Bolton who I'd swap squads with tomorrow, are a way off Plymouth, Wednesday and Ipswich.
Its so depressing starting the season on the back foot, struggling through until January, patch up with sticky tape in the window, rinse and repeat. When will this ever end?
For me, supporting Charlton has been like being the owner of a dog that barks with no real effort, chews your slippers, tiddles on you floor (sometimes worse) and knows no tricks, but every now and then, will impress you with their guile by making you feel safe by fronting up to a bunch of pricks in the park giving it large, sending them packing with their tails between their legs.
I don't want a new dog, I love the one I have, just wish it would be a bit more like the good ones on the telly.
Fortunately for Cafc, Mark Bright is the go between for Rak Sakyi and his form has been good for Cafc as he gets more games.
If he was a Chelsea player, they would've moved him on to Championship club for the second part of the season.
The thing that he has always lacked is consistency.
It's not ideal but hardly unexpected or THAT worrisome in and of itself.
Something smells fishy!
Did Jayden Stockley buy that Dale Stephens Satnav ?
Yes I want him to get games, but I don't want us to be (again) in a situation where we're overplaying kids because we have no choice, which does neither us or them any good.