Interesting... Just caught up on a number of pages on the thread.
All I'll add is that Cawley clearly doesn't get his inside information from Charlton anymore, we seem to have closed shop on rumours leaking - Is he posting based on Agents etc. jumping the gun
Managers succeed and managers fail. Often the same ones. The reasons for this can be circumstances as well as ability. If it is Garner, I wish him well and will of course give him a chance and hope he succeeds. If I was the owner, I would be more bothered with what I see on the pitch than interviews but hey ho. And that would be results rather all this nonsense about attractive football.
None of us know whether Garner will be a success, and I include Sandgaard in that but he can be, that is largely down to him and the support he gets. It is important we don't faff around and start to focus on next season. That would be a positive at least.
Can you ever be sure that a manager will be successful?
I know little about the guy tbh but from looking at the links and stats if he is appointed as always he comes with negatives and positives imo.
Negatives.
Due to statements by TS expectation levels were high and people will be underwhelmed because of this so straight off the bat he will be under pressure to produce results.
His philosophy seems to be very different to anything we have had in recent years and not sure we have the players that can deliver it, I honestly cant think of a game where we put 5vpasses together excluding ones backwards and sideways at the back
From initial fan response it seems he has a hill to climb to gain support.
Positives
Fits the style of play and model that TS has always said he wants so hopefully he will be given a squad that can deliver it.
Had great stats last year from a club that was skint and a real basket case so if given money to spend hopefully he will do even better.
Young and progressive coach with a proven record of developing youth players just what we need with the group of top youngsters coming through
On a personal note it seems he likes to play possession based attacking football which is right up my street. My biggest criticism the last couple of years under Adkins & JJ is that we were just so boring and predictable if this guy can make us attractive to watch then I'm in.
My SWOT analysis points to a good appointment 😂
Give the bloke a chance you never know hos team might just get you on the edge of your seat next season
You can never be sure apart from maybe one or two who are out of our league and probably always will be. I suspect Sandgaard believes you can be sure which is probably why he didn't give JJ a proper chance. Still, it is down to Garner now and of course the support he gets, and I don't mean from us.
On a negative side despite all that possession and shots, their defence was awful as they finished 6th and conceded more than any side in the top 10.
Clearly TS thinks that being entertained is more important than promotion. I think all of us would disagree .
I think your both write and wrong mate. Ofcourse promotion is important more so to TS than most of us as it lowers his losses if we get promoted. However entertainment is also very important surely ? I know we are all different but if you asked me would I spend my cash next season watching the same turgid crap we saw last season if it got us promoted then the answer is no definitely not. Ofcourse I would be pleased we got promoted but I would be buying tickets to watch it
But winning every week is enjoyable in itself. And pragmatism is generally the biggest factor in the style of play. You have to maximise the hand you have.
But winning every week is enjoyable in itself. And pragmatism is generally the biggest factor in the style of play. You have to maximise the hand you have.
As I said mate we are all different but I personally had a gut full of watching us last season and stopped going with about 8 matches left and honestly wouldnt buy a ticket next season if the same was being dished up regardless of results, football is expensive in terms of both time and money and I personally see no enjoyment is a victory if it's a shite game to watch. Yes pleased to win but enjoy the spectacle no.
Yes I suppose so unless your gameplan is to keep hitting aimless longballs upto a big target man up front in the hope that you win a second ball and score. Yes I would be pleased we won when I saw the result ofcourse. But I wouldnt pay to watch it. This is the reason JJ went I'm sure, nothing to do with results imo his teams set up and performances wouldnt put bums on seats imo
Let's not forget Swindon had a lot of players that shouldn't be playing league two, he failed to get them promoted. It looks like he has a positive attitude, which is a huge tick for TS!!
Today could be interesting, if rumours are true that TS has said it is incorrect.
Most goals scored in league two last season, we’re getting a young coach that plays attacking football, that is what TS and that also sounds good to me.
If you want to judge managers/players on how underwhelmed you are that’s fine, but you’d of hated the Curbs era, I’m feeling fairly positive, let’s see, up the addicks.
Had time to reflect Like most on here was unimpressed when I first heard but that's down to my ignorance and having previously getting caught up in the hype re Beale/Taylor
Those Swindon stats are pretty impressive I always remember feeling who the hell is Lennie Lawrence all those years ago and that didn't turn out too bad
if it's Garner - he will have my full support and welcome him to the Mad house
Was severely underwhelmed when this broke last night , like many others I'd really got my hopes up that it would be Beale or Matt Taylor. The stats do look good in terms of a manager that wants to play attacking football but as with any manager it comes down to will he be backed from above with the funds to make it his squad for his style of play?
Looks like Garner is a 433 type of manager which will be interesting to see how that works in terms of existing players .
If he's definitely the man , then I'll definitely give him a chance.
What a joke....... sacked Jackson for this........ I really give up. All will have been done on a spreadsheet, just like RD he'll never learn, too pig/big headed.
Is this a question or a statement? Was he 8th choice or numbe 1 target?
Good luck to him if he's appointment. I'll back the team, can't not.
What's annoyed me though, again, is TS grandstanding comments. Last season's We're going walk the league, that worked well.
Now its one about our ambition of the managers we are trying to appoint, saying we're aiming higher than Beale, who's the hottest property of the english coaching world right now, and he pulls Ben Garner out the bag.
Smacks of the kid at school who's dad, uncles and cousins done everything better than the story you just told, except he's an orphan.
He needs to shut the f up, and just get on with it. Oh and appoint a CEO who's got a feckin clue how a football club is run.
He’d be a very creditable and well respected appointment in football, he’s just appointed a COO and he hasn’t made any of those kinds of comments in nearly a year.
That walking the league has definitely come back to haunt him I’ll give you.
I just don’t get the hatred and vitriol towards him. He’s a decent bloke who’s doing everything the right way. He’s said he really wants to use the academy and have a young energetic team which totally fits how Swindon progressed last season.
Evening Thomas.
Ahh, the old ‘because I’m defending him, I must be him argument.’ Always a good one. 👍
Like most others on here I would have preferred a "bigger" name, but when we were linked to him earlier in the week I read his wiki page & thought his pedigree & stats looked good. That was confirmed when I saw this seasons League 2 stats. Most impressive.
He has had years coaching the youngsters & bringing them through to play in the first team. I can see that was attractive to TS as he has said multiple times he want to get our Academy cat 1 status & to use it to bring players into the 1st team instead of spending ££££ on players every season. This was his plan last season but Adkins wasn't fully on board (hence starting the season with no fit left back & no active midfield).
If Garner can reproduce Swindons stats from last season I'll be very pleased.
If the possible appointment of garner doesn't get a golfie rant, then maybe this could be a good appointment
The positives are that he will know all the good players in league two from where we will be recruiting probably and Rather than being on his way down hopefully he is on his way up
So people moaning we did not have a manager now moaning we got one because they don’t know who he is ? Well the best manager we ever had was an unknown from Plymouth coaching team ……. Welcome Ben … his cv is second to none the people he worked with including the special one himself , the style of play is attacking watched Swindon a few times scored goals .. on paper better option then say Beale … interesting he bringing his coaching team with him not sure where that leaves Euell now ….. but it’s time for every Charlton fan to get behind him and support him …… only problem I can see is he likes Josh Davison lol
So people moaning we did not have a manager now moaning we got one because they don’t know who he is ? Well the best manager we ever had was an unknown from Plymouth coaching team ……. Welcome Ben … his cv is second to none the people he worked with including the special one himself , the style of play is attacking watched Swindon a few times scored goals .. on paper better option then say Beale … interesting he bringing his coaching team with him not sure where that leaves Euell now ….. but it’s time for every Charlton fan to get behind him and support him …… only problem I can see is he likes Josh Davison lol
So people moaning we did not have a manager now moaning we got one because they don’t know who he is ? Well the best manager we ever had was an unknown from Plymouth coaching team ……. Welcome Ben … his cv is second to none the people he worked with including the special one himself , the style of play is attacking watched Swindon a few times scored goals .. on paper better option then say Beale … interesting he bringing his coaching team with him not sure where that leaves Euell now ….. but it’s time for every Charlton fan to get behind him and support him …… only problem I can see is he likes Josh Davison lol
A cv second to none......ffs
In that field as a coach … when we were looking for a young up coming coach expect Johnny Williams sold him the club as well
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All I'll add is that Cawley clearly doesn't get his inside information from Charlton anymore, we seem to have closed shop on rumours leaking - Is he posting based on Agents etc. jumping the gun
On a negative side despite all that possession and shots, their defence was awful as they finished 6th and conceded more than any side in the top 10.
None of us know whether Garner will be a success, and I include Sandgaard in that but he can be, that is largely down to him and the support he gets. It is important we don't faff around and start to focus on next season. That would be a positive at least.
I know little about the guy tbh but from looking at the links and stats if he is appointed as always he comes with negatives and positives imo.
Negatives.
Due to statements by TS expectation levels were high and people will be underwhelmed because of this so straight off the bat he will be under pressure to produce results.
His philosophy seems to be very different to anything we have had in recent years and not sure we have the players that can deliver it, I honestly cant think of a game where we put 5vpasses together excluding ones backwards and sideways at the back
From initial fan response it seems he has a hill to climb to gain support.
Positives
Fits the style of play and model that TS has always said he wants so hopefully he will be given a squad that can deliver it.
Had great stats last year from a club that was skint and a real basket case so if given money to spend hopefully he will do even better.
Young and progressive coach with a proven record of developing youth players just what we need with the group of top youngsters coming through
On a personal note it seems he likes to play possession based attacking football which is right up my street. My biggest criticism the last couple of years under Adkins & JJ is that we were just so boring and predictable if this guy can make us attractive to watch then I'm in.
My SWOT analysis points to a good appointment 😂
Give the bloke a chance you never know hos team might just get you on the edge of your seat next season
Today could be interesting, if rumours are true that TS has said it is incorrect.
If you want to judge managers/players on how underwhelmed you are that’s fine, but you’d of hated the Curbs era, I’m feeling fairly positive, let’s see, up the addicks.
Like most on here was unimpressed when I first heard but that's down to my ignorance and having previously getting caught up in the hype re Beale/Taylor
Those Swindon stats are pretty impressive
I always remember feeling who the hell is Lennie Lawrence all those years ago and that didn't turn out too bad
if it's Garner - he will have my full support and welcome him to the Mad house
Was severely underwhelmed when this broke last night , like many others I'd really got my hopes up that it would be Beale or Matt Taylor. The stats do look good in terms of a manager that wants to play attacking football but as with any manager it comes down to will he be backed from above with the funds to make it his squad for his style of play?
Looks like Garner is a 433 type of manager which will be interesting to see how that works in terms of existing players .
If he's definitely the man , then I'll definitely give him a chance.
Welcome Ben … his cv is second to none the people he worked with including the special one himself , the style of play is attacking watched Swindon a few times scored goals .. on paper better option then say Beale … interesting he bringing his coaching team with him not sure where that leaves Euell now ….. but it’s time for every Charlton fan to get behind him and support him …… only problem I can see is he likes Josh Davison lol