Garner will be in the Championship soon. It's up to TS whether that is with us, or not.
I don't get why people think Garner is some sort of managerial superstar, that other clubs will be fighting over.
Before joining us he'd been relegated with Bristol R and had a decent season in L2 but without promotion with Swindon, so unless WE do well this season, there's nothing in his track record to suggest a Championship club would be after him.
That's not true. He wasn't relegated with Bristol Rovers.
He was "relieved of his duties" on 14 November 2020 following a 4–1 home defeat to Fleetwood Town with Rovers in 18th position in League One. Former MK Dons and Exeter City boss Paul Tisdale succeeded him before also being replaced in February by Joey Barton, who was the manager when Rovers were relegated.
Interesting fact ........ just a month before being sacked at Rovers, Garner was named Manager of the Week by the EFL and the Football League paper.
Further, when people say Garner failed to get promotion with Swindon, it does seem they completely ignore the context.
When Garner became manager at Swindon just a couple of weeks before the season started, there was only a squad of 7 players! I mean, the bloke performed miracles to get Swindon into the playoffs with a squad of freebies thrown together at the last minute.
And they only got knocked out of the playoffs because a Charlton player missed his penalty.
Further, when people say Garner failed to get promotion with Swindon, it does seem they completely ignore the context.
When Garner became manager at Swindon just a couple of weeks before the season started, there was only a squad of 7 players! I mean, the bloke performed miracles to get Swindon into the playoffs with a squad of freebies thrown together at the last minute.
And they only got knocked out of the playoffs because a Charlton player missed his penalty.
They had very few players when he arrived, but had a full squad by the 7th August when the season started.
All teams in L2 operate with freebies, and Swindon had some very good ones, plus Jack Payne was still there. I bet Jonny Williams was on very good money for L2.
Of course he did well, but getting Swindon into the L2 playoffs isn't a miracle
He didn't get the striker he needed, so he needs to try to find a compromise. Who, within the current squad, is fast, tricky, and can find the back of the net? Only Rak Saki I'd say. So adapt the system, get Rak Saki playing far closer to Stockley. If we can start getting the best out of Stockley again, that in turn could alleviate a lot of pressure on the defence, who at the moment, know they mustn't concede, as we're unlikely to score too many.
We tried that at Fleetwood and it didn’t work. Rak-Sakyi is not a striker and Stockley didn’t play any better with someone nearer him.
The only solution I can see is to keep with the 4-3-3 but with Leaburn starting instead of Stockley, Kirk instead of CBT and Payne instead of Morgan. We keep seeing no end product costing us so why are we still persisting with 3 players that have repeatedly showed they don’t have consistent end product. Payne, Kirk and Leaburn have shown much better final ball/finishing in their limited minutes so they should be starting. Garner can’t carry on moaning that we play alright but have no end product when he’s the man picking these players over players that have shown better end product.
He didn't get the striker he needed, so he needs to try to find a compromise. Who, within the current squad, is fast, tricky, and can find the back of the net? Only Rak Saki I'd say. So adapt the system, get Rak Saki playing far closer to Stockley. If we can start getting the best out of Stockley again, that in turn could alleviate a lot of pressure on the defence, who at the moment, know they mustn't concede, as we're unlikely to score too many.
We tried that at Fleetwood and it didn’t work. Rak-Sakyi is not a striker and Stockley didn’t play any better with someone nearer him.
The only solution I can see is to keep with the 4-3-3 but with Leaburn starting instead of Stockley, Kirk instead of CBT and Payne instead of Morgan. We keep seeing no end product costing us so why are we still persisting with 3 players that have repeatedly showed they don’t have consistent end product. Payne, Kirk and Leaburn have shown much better final ball/finishing in their limited minutes so they should be starting. Garner can’t carry on moaning that we play alright but have no end product when he’s the man picking these players over players that have shown better end product.
That sounds well worth a try. For all Kirk's apparent lethargy, he does at least put dangerous balls into the box. Stockley probably needs a rest as can't fault him for effort. He might actually get more success coming off the bench.
Further, when people say Garner failed to get promotion with Swindon, it does seem they completely ignore the context.
When Garner became manager at Swindon just a couple of weeks before the season started, there was only a squad of 7 players! I mean, the bloke performed miracles to get Swindon into the playoffs with a squad of freebies thrown together at the last minute.
And they only got knocked out of the playoffs because a Charlton player missed his penalty.
They had very few players when he arrived, but had a full squad by the 7th August when the season started.
All teams in L2 operate with freebies, and Swindon had some very good ones, plus Jack Payne was still there. I bet Jonny Williams was on very good money for L2.
Of course he did well, but getting Swindon into the L2 playoffs isn't a miracle
Yeah, it's easy to sign 15 players in a fortnight and put a winning team together.
Swindon did sign some good freebies ..... but they were freebies for a reason, still unsigned by other clubs almost until/or just after the season had already started. Those players missed a lot, if not almost all of pre-season.
Though that begs the question: someone turned a ragbag collection of other clubs' rejects into a team that qualified for the playoffs and missed automatic promotion by only 3 points. And scored the most goals and played the most attractive football of any team in that division.
We both agree then that Garner did well. I suppose a miracle is like Jesus turning water into wine. You're right that Garner didn't quite do that.
I stand by my opinion that Garner is a good manager & tries to play good football, but he doesn't have the players to play the way he wants.
Right now it's about getting results. He needs to find a system that suits the player's he's got, not the players he wants.
...and TS isn't willing to fund the players he wants. So what happens if we are still hovering around 16th place in another months time? Garner says he needs 2 or 3 transfer windows, will he be here that long if we are struggling?
Further, when people say Garner failed to get promotion with Swindon, it does seem they completely ignore the context.
When Garner became manager at Swindon just a couple of weeks before the season started, there was only a squad of 7 players! I mean, the bloke performed miracles to get Swindon into the playoffs with a squad of freebies thrown together at the last minute.
And they only got knocked out of the playoffs because a Charlton player missed his penalty.
They had very few players when he arrived, but had a full squad by the 7th August when the season started.
All teams in L2 operate with freebies, and Swindon had some very good ones, plus Jack Payne was still there. I bet Jonny Williams was on very good money for L2.
Of course he did well, but getting Swindon into the L2 playoffs isn't a miracle
Yeah, it's easy to sign 15 players in a fortnight and put a winning team together.
Swindon did sign some good freebies ..... but they were freebies for a reason, still unsigned by other clubs almost until/or just after the season had already started. Those players missed a lot, if not almost all of pre-season.
Though that begs the question: someone turned a ragbag collection of other clubs' rejects into a team that qualified for the playoffs and missed automatic promotion by only 3 points. And scored the most goals and played the most attractive football of any team in that division.
We both agree then that Garner did well. I suppose a miracle is like Jesus turning water into wine. You're right that Garner didn't quite do that.
That's not true though, as most players would have had a pre-season somewhere, in the way we sometimes allow ex players to train with us in the summer, even if we aren't going to sign them. Or had been on trial with Swindon during pre-season
And if the issues was signing players later and integrating them, you'd expecting Swindon to have started slowly and improved as the season went on, whereas they started well and maintained a steady position all season.
I stand by my opinion that Garner is a good manager & tries to play good football, but he doesn't have the players to play the way he wants.
Right now it's about getting results. He needs to find a system that suits the player's he's got, not the players he wants.
...and TS isn't willing to fund the players he wants. So what happens if we are still hovering around 16th place in another months time? Garner says he needs 2 or 3 transfer windows, will he be here that long if we are struggling?
Good players won't want to stick around for a year or two waiting for an organically grown team.
Bids will come in and good players will be replaced by inferior ones or not at all.
Huge, huge praise from me this morning for Ben Garner for being the first manager for years to take the cup seriously.
For years I have moaned to anyone who will listen - including on here on numerous occasions - the nonsense of us not taking the cups seriously. It has been absurd that a club of our size has not thought it worthwhile to try and have a cup run or bring a big name PL club to the Valley. And the team selections have so often been a micky take out of fans paying good money to go and watch.
I point the finger at all managers for this, even our three recent greats - Curbs (who stopped showing any interest in the cups when we got in the PL), Powell and Bowyer (whose attitude to the cups in particular stank as he couldn't even be bothered to name a full subs bench on occasion).
Garner on the contrast has done the exact opposite, naming strong teams. He has even kept Wollacott in goal when just about every other manager has used the cups to give the reserve goalkeeper a run out. And he got his reward last night when Wollacott saved the penalty.
Garner deserves a good draw. We deserve a good draw. And it will be a huge pick me up for the club if we get a PL big boy at the Valley and can sell it out. The money from it might even persuade TS to open his cheque book in January and buy us a striker!
What I like about it is Ben has grown in to yeh job learnt from his mistakes. He’s changed formation when he has had to, stood up to chairman interviews and seems very passionate about the club, Watch him sod of to the championship now at the first given opportunity
What I like about it is Ben has grown in to yeh job learnt from his mistakes. He’s changed formation when he has had to, stood up to chairman interviews and seems very passionate about the club, Watch him sod of to the championship now at the first given opportunity
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He was "relieved of his duties" on 14 November 2020 following a 4–1 home defeat to Fleetwood Town with Rovers in 18th position in League One.
Former MK Dons and Exeter City boss Paul Tisdale succeeded him before also being replaced in February by Joey Barton, who was the manager when Rovers were relegated.
Interesting fact ........ just a month before being sacked at Rovers, Garner was named Manager of the Week by the EFL and the Football League paper.
When Garner became manager at Swindon just a couple of weeks before the season started, there was only a squad of 7 players!
I mean, the bloke performed miracles to get Swindon into the playoffs with a squad of freebies thrown together at the last minute.
And they only got knocked out of the playoffs because a Charlton player missed his penalty.
All teams in L2 operate with freebies, and Swindon had some very good ones, plus Jack Payne was still there. I bet Jonny Williams was on very good money for L2.
Of course he did well, but getting Swindon into the L2 playoffs isn't a miracle
Stockley probably needs a rest as can't fault him for effort. He might actually get more success coming off the bench.
Swindon did sign some good freebies ..... but they were freebies for a reason, still unsigned by other clubs almost until/or just after the season had already started. Those players missed a lot, if not almost all of pre-season.
Though that begs the question: someone turned a ragbag collection of other clubs' rejects into a team that qualified for the playoffs and missed automatic promotion by only 3 points. And scored the most goals and played the most attractive football of any team in that division.
We both agree then that Garner did well.
I suppose a miracle is like Jesus turning water into wine. You're right that Garner didn't quite do that.
Right now it's about getting results. He needs to find a system that suits the player's he's got, not the players he wants.
And if the issues was signing players later and integrating them, you'd expecting Swindon to have started slowly and improved as the season went on, whereas they started well and maintained a steady position all season.
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Look elsewhere to point fingers and be glad we've got him for the time being.
Bids will come in and good players will be replaced by inferior ones or not at all.
For years I have moaned to anyone who will listen - including on here on numerous occasions - the nonsense of us not taking the cups seriously. It has been absurd that a club of our size has not thought it worthwhile to try and have a cup run or bring a big name PL club to the Valley. And the team selections have so often been a micky take out of fans paying good money to go and watch.
I point the finger at all managers for this, even our three recent greats - Curbs (who stopped showing any interest in the cups when we got in the PL), Powell and Bowyer (whose attitude to the cups in particular stank as he couldn't even be bothered to name a full subs bench on occasion).
Garner on the contrast has done the exact opposite, naming strong teams. He has even kept Wollacott in goal when just about every other manager has used the cups to give the reserve goalkeeper a run out. And he got his reward last night when Wollacott saved the penalty.
Garner deserves a good draw. We deserve a good draw. And it will be a huge pick me up for the club if we get a PL big boy at the Valley and can sell it out. The money from it might even persuade TS to open his cheque book in January and buy us a striker!
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